So they should have used Kaby Lake? Then you'd see complains that there's no quad-core processors. Complain to Intel, not Apple.
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Apple to Obsolete Select 2009 to 2011 Macs at End of Year
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Sure, in speed. But at everything else, my 2009 is far superior and pro'er than the 2016 will ever be.. unless you buy 10 dongles but then of course, you will look like a douche.
same here...except with a 2008 mac pro that is still way faster and more reliable than new non-apple machines. Even runs high-end gaming with full res with no issues since this thing is so expandable. sux Apple machines are becoming less and less upgradable. Decade-old macs used to be standard with their expandability.
Christ, it just occurred to me that my iMac will be seven years old in a few months. How time flies.
It's probably not any more nefarious than "oh hey guys, it's been 5 years since we released these, time to shut down the hardware supply chain because that's our standard timeline." I don't think the number of iterations on the line since then really enters into it.
Besides, there will probably still be plenty of third party hardware support, and the software support will likely continue for at least a few years. I plan on getting plenty of use out of my 2011 MBP over the next couple of years, regardless of the color of the dot next to it in MacTracker.
Seriously no support for 2011 models? that's not that old as people don't upgrade PC/Laptops all that much. I still have my 2008 MacBook Pro, while its a bit slow now it still works pretty well.
My poor family 27" i3 2010 iMac. Replaced two hard drives in it and she is still going strong. She has to!
Not as if el crapitan and sierra are that amazing an os in the first place
Sticking with Yosemite thx to the bugs in the new stuff - mail etc
TBH this is the first xmas in awhile that I have zero inkling in buying anything apple related
It's all SO boring
Sticking with Yosemite thx to the bugs in the new stuff - mail etc
TBH this is the first xmas in awhile that I have zero inkling in buying anything apple related
It's all SO boring
while the hardware side might be true, it's missing the software side of the equation.
When Apple obsoletes hardware, they tend to stop supporting them in MacOS. now that these products are on this list, there is no guarantee, ni fact, there's a likelihood that they will no longer get OS updates. Sure, the computers themselves can continue to be useful, but for people who stay on top of software currency, this puts an artificial software limit on the device. Often forcing an upgrade to newer hardware, or replacement with something else.
In "Windows land". Microsoft gets around this by continued support for all hardware. regardless if the hardware is obsolete / legacy. just because your perfectly working laptop is 10 years old, you can continue to run the most up to date windows. Continue receiving all security and patches.
This is why, while the hardware might not be easily replacible anymore on older hardware, they still can run the most up to date OSs. This is why when Apple legacies one of their computers, people DO have great concern about getting future updates.
it's not an unreasonable concern.
I wouldn't sweat it, this classification is typically just hardware support, software support will probably continue for a few years.
That's because they stopped innovating 5 years ago and the 2011 machines are still pretty relevant compared with the current lineup.
Oh hey, when did Steve Jobs die? October of 2011 you say? Hmm.
The 2011 models will probably just be classified as vintage, which means a few more years of software support. The 2009 models may still be eligible for software updates as well, considering my 2007 iMac is still getting security patches on El Cap (just missed qualifying for the Sierra update). So I wouldn't write off the software world just yet.
1. In 2008, the MBP came in two sizes. The smaller 15", and the larger 17". The smaller one started at $2000, and the larger one started at $2800. Today, the equivalent smaller/larger MBPs are less expensive. Note, that even today's 13" has a higher resolution than the 2008 17", so screen sizes are difficult to compare of course.
Even if you're right that Apple was competitively priced in 2008-2015, which you're not right, that's still a very small period of time in Apple's history. Even so, during 2008-2015, comparable PCs were always significantly cheaper. During those years, it was very common to see PCs under $1000, often much less.
2. You're equating more RAM with being premium. That is not what premium is. Premium is build quality, sturdy materials, fit and finish, and customer support. Likewise, pro is more than just RAM. For many of today's pros, i/o speed and ssd speed matter more than amount of RAM.
How are they valid complaints if they are just factually wrong. I'm all for having a debate about Apple's recent shortcomings and mistakes - there are plenty to pick from. But hyperbolic complaints that have no basis in reality are not helpful either. For example, that Apple is being "humiliated in both sales and overall customer satisfaction" is both hyperbolic and completely unsupported by fact.
I don't think Apple should sell refurbished parts. It would nice if they do, but they shouldn't. I don't mind giving my money to small businesses that specialize in taking broken laptops, finding the parts that still work, and selling them. You say "unknown third party" but I see a good small business mom and pop shop. It's not hard to sort ebay for US-only sellers, and go with those that have a genuine reputation. Most decent refurbished parts resellers have good warranties against DOA or malfunctions within 30 days - which is standard in most industries. I have yet to be burned by a third party reseller - and I have bought a good amount of Macbook parts including trackpads, batteries, LCD screens, screws, and a cover.
As for being green, I agree that the new Macbook Pros with soldered everything are not green. No debate there. But that's not what you said initially. You also insisted that continuing to make new parts for old devices would be green. That is wrong, and that is what I took issue with.
Shoot, if we're not ruling out adapters, probably dozens. But I mean, so could the 2009 MBP, so... I'm not sure what we're comparing there.
And if you meant without adapters, that 2009 still wouldn't work with any of my optical audio devices since it's using the wrong port interface. But I think I get what you were trying to say.
look at the dude's profile name.
Ignore him. A mod noted that he does this on every thread.
Nope. I have no idea what Intels roadmap has. I don't shop in their "Intel Weekly" catalog either. All I know is component manufactures have a wide variety to meet lots of different needs.
Maybe if Apple didn't have this insane desire to think their laptops to be air light, not like you or I hold up a laptop while using it, they could have a higher heat/watt envelope to put in Intel's higher level chips that don't have the 16GB limitation.
Let's be honest. Apple's irrational desire for thinness, therefore light weight, has compromised many aspects of what majority of people would consider a pro premium product. Heck, not even pro premium, just a stinking laptop in general.
Think of it this way, in what way would adding a pound or quarter inch of height compromise a device that is almost always sitting upon a fixed platform, ie a desk? None unless your surface/desk is that unstable that a pound will cause a structural failure. Therefore, you are left to conclude that the desire is purely aesthetic in nature which has caused a compromise in features of what is priced at as a high end laptop.
Six year old computer is obsolete? My 2012 MPBr ***** on the current releases.
My 2011 15" MacBook Pro benchmarks the same, or slightly better than today's 13" Which it should given it's an i7 vs. a i5. The new 15" Pro is much faster than my current 15".
Now, I love my 2011, but it:
Doesn't have a retina display
Weighs more
Can't drive a 4k monitor
Doesn't have USB3/TB3
Doesn't have the faster bus speeds and SSD read/writes.
Sure, I can pop an SSD in the 2011 (which I've done) and upgrade the RAM to 16gb, but it still under-performs against the new 15".
I've made the comparison of the current 13" vs my 2011 because it's the one I could reasonably afford. I think the best bang for the buck for upgrading a 2011 15" is the 2015 or 2016 MBP.
Now, I love my 2011, but it:
Doesn't have a retina display
Weighs more
Can't drive a 4k monitor
Doesn't have USB3/TB3
Doesn't have the faster bus speeds and SSD read/writes.
Sure, I can pop an SSD in the 2011 (which I've done) and upgrade the RAM to 16gb, but it still under-performs against the new 15".
I've made the comparison of the current 13" vs my 2011 because it's the one I could reasonably afford. I think the best bang for the buck for upgrading a 2011 15" is the 2015 or 2016 MBP.
Thank god they run Windows..... so one can keep using it with the latest OS when Apple decide to cut SW support for a pretty good machine 
Wow, a bit disappointing for me.
I have an Early 2011 15" MBP, which is still lightning fast with the 16GB RAM I put in and the SSD.
The only "issue" I have with this machine is that it only has USB2 and doesn't have Bluetooth4.
I'm sure this machine could handle future macOS versions just fine for a number of years.
I have an Early 2011 15" MBP, which is still lightning fast with the 16GB RAM I put in and the SSD.
The only "issue" I have with this machine is that it only has USB2 and doesn't have Bluetooth4.
I'm sure this machine could handle future macOS versions just fine for a number of years.
Yes. Because Tim is the problem.
Lol if you were running Apple you'd be so much worse.