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Apple to Obsolete Select 2009 to 2011 Macs at End of Year
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iPhone 7 is a legacy peripheral? Sad.
If you've got an early 2011 MBP it's worth getting the battery replaced by Apple now - even if it doesn't need it.
Because once it's become Vintage the only option is to try and find some dodgy third party one. Endless hassle as I found to my cost...
Because once it's become Vintage the only option is to try and find some dodgy third party one. Endless hassle as I found to my cost...
You know, as someone who uses laptops on his lap, I tend to prefer my laptops not burn my thighs. Also, I do occasionally hold my laptop up while using it. And now that you've got me thinking about it, I spend most of my time carrying it, holding it, or sitting with it on my lap. I almost never use it sitting on a table, desk, or anything of that sort.
So you're argument just justified Apple's decisions for my use case pretty soundly. Guess that's why I'm not upset with the choices they made.
I've got a 2008 model (NOT MacBook, a desktop model) that is still going fine - after I replaced the graphic card. I cannot replace it in all good faith with a model that has not been updated in 3 years. Why would I spend money for a used 3-to-6-year-old model? Apple needs to update its line of desktop computers.
Where are the numerical identifiers for those models?
well during the 2000s 5 years were a long time for computers. Nowadays the improvements don't feel nearly as drastic as before. My mid 2010 low end iMac still runs perfectly smooth with the latest osx. However, it had some hardware failures that were due to the fact that Apple used crappy hard drives in this model. Glad I again had it replaced just a couple months ago, but next time the hdd fails it is going to be so expensive that I probably have to throw away the whole thing.
Edit: Also those machines are very expensive. I paid more than 1600 Euros for mine (with Apple Care I think, but after student discount). So basically in the past 6 years I paid more than 20 Euros a month for my computer.
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Funny how you don't provide excuses for WHY this is Apple disrespecting customers. 5-7 years in technology, especially with RAM and SSD developments in the last five years, makes for a huge difference in computer performance and software development. And, like many posters here said, the reason the 2011 MBP are here likely are because of the GPU failure warranty running out after December, so timing this with that makes sense.
You can purchase a lighting to USB-C cable for an iPhone 7, no "dongle" required.
I can help but giggle a little bit every time I see the word "dongle".
One-word sentences to make a point? Dumb.
Seriously though, it's a bad example, the iPhone 7 syncs without a dongle over WiFi or using a USB-C to Lightning cable.
Why not? Apple have already written the drivers for all of the hardware in these older laptops. Those same drivers would continue to work with the next macOS upgrade. The reason you won’t be allowed to run the next macOS has nothing to do with OS development cost or any technical limitations (like when 32-bit instructions were dropped). It is nothing more than Apple blacklisting older hardware in an attempt to force people to buy new machines.
Ok. You work, I assume. I also assume you've got a savings account and retirement. I also assume those are non-zero. Therefore, following your logic, we should stop paying you above your minimum requirement of survival, right? You stated that exact thing above - you have more money than you need, so why give you more?
Smh
2011 MBP can have 16gb and a SATA III SSD drive. So... it's close to being on par with the new MacBooks. I just rendered your argument moot.
I love Tim, he's a number cruncher, but get somebody with a vision for the product development in there. Ivy seems to have kicked the bucket somehow.
Bring back Forstall. Apple does seem to need someone who's focused - and not always loved, but get's the job done. (Let's not talk about Maps, though... But everyone's allowed to make one mistake, right?)
Same, with the same laptop. But it's well within Apple's rights to stop seeding software, offering repairs and etc. because they own the software and original hardware parts. We can go to third parties, if we want, but Apple as a business has this right, as do every business.
I agree with Apple wanting to wash their hands of the GPU issue. I've had the logic board replaced twice in my early 2011 MBP. The first time they did it when the replacement program was announced. The second time I had to argue with the manager before they would fix it again under that program. I dare not run anything graphics intensive because it will fail again within a year.
The hard drive is a pretty easy upgrade to do yourself, even in the iMacs of that generation. If the drive goes bad on you again, I'd look into that. The hardest part is just getting the display out and back in, but as long as you've got a compatible drive and the ifixit kit (~$50), you could probably do it.
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I'd actually be willing to bet that all of these machines will receive the 2017 OS update. In fact, I'd expect the 2011 models to receive those yearly updates for another two or three years.
5-7 years in todays hectic world is not an alarming pace.
People would still complain if it was a 10 year spread, especially when all their machines still work.
Sometimes even software gets pulled. I was still using a G4 iMac and Microsoft pulled all updates for MS Office 2004. Not even legacy storing websites have them.
All of that updating or deciding what is legacy and what not is personal preference.
I drive my cars literally into the ground . Last one just got totaled at 223,000 miles and I would have kept driving it. Use an old PC with Windows XP, no longer supported to make box labels wit UPC codes.
We can't ask manufacturers to make old mother boards or stock parts forever, just in case a few machines MAY break down in the future.
As for the posters lamenting about Apple not being green: You can recycle any Apple product through their website and over the years they have reduced the use of environmentally questionable material.(Don't remember if they also take PCs)
But, I will say that making parts non upgradeable cuts down on the life span of ALL machines.
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I think you have an issue with reading comprehension. I never once insisted that Apple should "make new parts". I said:
"Also, with all the graphics card issues that have reared up (they replaced mine just last year on a mid-2011 MBP), it would be nice to be able to pay for it to get fixed if it gets messed up again."
I did not even mention the types of parts they should use. If they want to use refurbished parts, I am fine with that. My main point is that the graphics cards in these models have had ongoing issues and they should at least continue to repair them.
It is what I said initially:
" Regardless of whether it has been their policy in the past, they like to brag about their solar panels these days while at the same time obsoleting 5 to 7 year old computers that still run fine and also making their new computers nearly impossible to repair. As someone said, it is wasteful and far from being a "green" company that cares."
So yeah, I did mention it on the outset.
Oh, i know it's not cut and dry that all of the legacy things get software support removed right away, but there have been a few notable times it has happened.
Recalling in particular the some 2009-2011's that were shipped using 32bit EFI's, despite the rest of the hardware being 64bit. Apple immediately made those devices "legacy" in 2013 and then released the next OSx version without support for the 32bit EFI's. thus blocking any of these devices from upgrading OS's. it was a software limitation as Apple decided to just pull their 32bit EFI code out of the OS, that was already there.
I know it's a one off, but it has to be on the back of your mind when your device gets moved to that obsolete/legacy list
We're in a period of a different kind of development. Right now, streamlining (the size and temperature of) the current/slight improvements on hardware and the display are the two biggest changes. Anyone using a 2011 laptop, given the chance to use a 2016 MBP, won't ever go back to that low resolution junk screen.
Wrong.
From your previous post, #11:
"Why not just go the whole way and make everything outside the newly updated macbooks obsolete?
Since that's exactly what they are in todays world."
Perhaps you can explain how your pre 2016 MBP (a 2013), or those being used by millions of others everyday, are obsolete?
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Proof they're getting "humiliated"...? Just because someone has a different valid opinion than yours doesn't immediately make them a blind apologist. If anything, you're the blind Apple complainer.
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Man. You can predict the future? Why are you wasting time here instead of with the lottery or stock market?
