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again....what proof and what phones? I have had a lot of other phones that the battery life degrades over time.....sure that is normal. Apple admitted they throttle iphones because if they did not the phone would shut down under normal to heavy load. Why not just have the phone work as normal and just have to charge it more often? because they used inferior battery technology with regards to the chipset. So what happens is the phone could just shutdown unexpectedly.
So to make up for the defect...they throttled the phone instead......
Thats how I see it.
 
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Android says it throttles/caps CPUs, and it adds 'optimizations' all the time. This is not just an Apple issue. It's battery tech.

"the power hint caps [THROTTLES] the maximum frequencies of the CPU"
https://source.android.com/devices/tech/power/performance

"Android continually adds new features and optimizations [SAME AS APPLE] to help the platform optimize the off-charger behavior of applications and devices"
https://source.android.com/devices/tech/power/mgmt

that's not what is says. It's not permanent.
 
He (and the others) cetainly do.

The best way to derail a discussion is to turn it into an argument...

I think people look for key words without realising the context . Linking to android power management is missing the point of this issue completely:(
 
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You do realize this has nothing to do with what apple is doing here ?

From the link:

"For long-running applications (games, camera, RenderScript, audio processing), performance can vary dramatically as device temperature limits are reached and system on chip (SoC) engines are throttled. App developers creating high-performance, long-running apps are limited because the capabilities of the underlying platform are a moving target when the device begins to heat up.

To address these limitations, Android 7.0 introduced support for sustained performance, enabling OEMs to provide hints on device performance capabilities for long-running applications. App developers can use these hints to tune applications for a predictable, consistent level of device performance over long periods of time."

Sounds very similar to me. In this case, it's due to device temperature limits. With this specific Apple scenario, it's peak power vs. remaining charge limits.
 
iOS 11 has worked great for us and the numerous devices in our household (prior to updating 4 of them to the iPhone X).

Did I notice an odd glitch here and there? Yes, but all minor (like text misalignments when rotating the phone or an occasional stutter). Nothing that affected my ability to use my devices and nothing that prevented the Apps I rely on from working properly. And these have all disappeared with recent updates.

If your phones were not being throttled, your user experience is invalid in the context of this thread
 
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That’s all happened with iPhones. Point is no company had to issue a public statement on this. Also Samsung has the vast majority of devices in Android and with this huge market share you can bet this issue will be blown up much more than it was for Apple.
Every company is different and users do different things. A shutdown is a shutdown regardless. I'm sure people who experience this frustrating phenomenon are not happy, so it's good of you to diminish the issue.
 
Well what next for crafty Apple! See phones go the way of the iPad glued and screwless design so you have to destroy the device unless it’s sent back to Apple for a battery replacement once they creep up to £200 for that service? Otherwise put up with throttled one?

Sneaky stuff, this could work out in the interest of Apple now they will be making it harder for 3rd party’s to replace batteries so Apple can make a fortune replacing the rubbish they installed! As everyone will want there phone at full speed!

What a con! Get ready for non user repairable hardware!
 
iOS 11 has worked great for us and the numerous devices in our household (prior to updating 4 of them to the iPhone X).

Did I notice an odd glitch here and there? Yes, but all minor (like text misalignments when rotating the phone or an occasional stutter). Nothing that affected my ability to use my devices and nothing that prevented the Apps I rely on from working properly. And these have all disappeared with recent updates.

I'm glad you And your household are happy. Could I suggest you spend some time in the iOS forum..... it's being perceived as the worst iOS to date. :(
 
Every company is different and users do different things. A shutdown is a shutdown regardless. I'm sure people who experience this frustrating phenomenon are not happy, so it's good of you to diminish the issue.

You dont understand the issue here
 
The benchmarks are showing certain iPhone 7 and 6s are permanently throttled. Whenever you run Geekbench or any benchmark app it scores half of what the phone should.

Wrong. Benchmarks trigger throttling because they are demanding full performance. Which is why these lawsuits will fail miserably (like countless ones before).
 
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So is Apple going to implement a function for users to be able to enable/disable this power management feature? They can have it on by default, but as long as you can disable it at the risk of crashes, which is the claim by Apple, I think that would be fair to consumers.

I bought my iPhone 7 Red back in May and I noticed some difference after installing iOS 11. The battery only had several months on it. For example, prior to installing iOS11, the flashlight button response was instant at first touch. Now the first time I press it, there is a slight delay but consecutive taps following are instant. I use the flashlight button frequently, which is why I noticed this discrepancy. Another issue I've had since installing iOS11 is that sometimes while listening to music there will be a quick "blip" (sort of like a skip, but not skipping) in playback that I did not experience prior to the update. It does not occur all the time, and it does not matter whether if it is music on my device or in the cloud. These minor issues started to occur the moment I upgraded to iOS11.
 
Wrong. Benchmarks trigger throttling because they are demanding full performance. Which is why these lawsuits will fail miserably (like countless ones before).
Iphones cant deliver full performance?

Wow,

And with the annual $80 service fee, they seem like a right bargain
 
I'm glad you And your household are happy. Could I suggest you spend some time in the iOS forum..... it's being perceived as the worst iOS to date. :(

There’s no need to. The vocal minority posting online don’t concern me nor does it represent what’s actually happening in the real world.

The millions of people without issues never go online to say “things are good here, just thought I’d let you know”. This goes for all products, not just iPhones. It’s always the few with issues that scream the loudest.
 
From the link:

"For long-running applications (games, camera, RenderScript, audio processing), performance can vary dramatically as device temperature limits are reached and system on chip (SoC) engines are throttled. App developers creating high-performance, long-running apps are limited because the capabilities of the underlying platform are a moving target when the device begins to heat up.

To address these limitations, Android 7.0 introduced support for sustained performance, enabling OEMs to provide hints on device performance capabilities for long-running applications. App developers can use these hints to tune applications for a predictable, consistent level of device performance over long periods of time."

Sounds very similar to me. In this case, it's due to device temperature limits. With this specific Apple scenario, it's peak power vs. remaining charge limits.

Nope. That's thermal throttling, apple does the same. See my example of iMac i7 ;) (its common in devices designed for form over function )

Nothing to do with this scenario.... though I get it, word "throttle" is used, so therefore its the same..... that is not correct
 
Android says it throttles/caps CPUs, and it adds 'optimizations' all the time. This is not just an Apple issue. It's battery tech.

"the power hint caps [THROTTLES] the maximum frequencies of the CPU"
https://source.android.com/devices/tech/power/performance

"Android continually adds new features and optimizations [SAME AS APPLE] to help the platform optimize the off-charger behavior of applications and devices"
https://source.android.com/devices/tech/power/mgmt

The Maximum frequency is throttled when the chip reaches it's temperature limit (built into the chip).

As for the second link, the 3 optimizations listed do not throttle anything.

Look, all Apple had to do was be more transparent in the beginning. They even denied they were throttling when initial reports surfaced hoping that it would die down and only admitted it after they realized that the bad PR wasn't going away anytime soon.
 
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But why doesn't that happen to other devices then? i hear you and see what you mean...but normal battery behavior would be to need to be charged more often as it degrades then right?
Why does the iphone shutdown? Why not just work as normal and just need to be charged more often?

I don't know that it doesn't. I have never had the issue so I can't speak to that.
 
You dont understand the issue here
some try to deflect and derail threads with useless rhetoric and car analogies. Instead of addressing the topic they bring up other companies or devices...because they have no other recourse in their position and stance. They can't stick to the topic as they can't defend and they know it.
 
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Iphones cant deliver full performance?

Wow,

And with the annual $80 service fee, they seem like a right bargain

No. iPhones with defective batteries won’t provide full sustained performance (which is how Apple designed it to work). Apple might change this or give the user a choice, but for now that’s how it works.
 
There’s no need to. The vocal minority posting online don’t concern me nor does it represent what’s actually happening in the real world.

The millions of people without issues never go online to say “things are good here, just thought I’d let you know”. This goes for all products, not just iPhones. It’s always the few with issues that scream the loudest.

Your assumption here is that iOS 11 is fine, as you are happy, I think that concludes our debate on this topic.
 
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Wrong. Benchmarks trigger throttling because they are demanding full performance. Which is why these lawsuits will fail miserably (like countless ones before).
Then why are all iPhone 7 not being throttled on benchmarks. My iPhone 7 is benching at full speed on Geekbench and Antutu.
 
As for the updates, why not provide only security update instead of major iOS update? .

Generally curious, do you understand how iOS updates work or is this ignorance bestowed on your behalf? If they provided one major iOS update, that would leave vulnerabilities in between issues that need to be rectified that have may have been reported or discovered. That's the point of having incremental updates in between that tweak/alter problems that need to be resolved.
 
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