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Yeap, Apple didn’t tell me they were throttling my iPhone to half it’s performance. Browsing Safari or YouTube doesn’t take a lot of power, still doesn’t take away from the phones performance being artificially strangled.
I will see what the 3D Mark scores are with the battery at 100% as that will have a direct impact on games performance..

And as I also said previously, just because you don’t have a problem doesn’t mean no one else has. I don’t live in a place where earthquakes happen, doesn’t mean I go around calling anyone who has had one a liar or being drama queens about it!!
I don't dispute that this isn't happening and never called anyone a liar. You told the other guy who said all was well with his device to use a benchmark to see if it really was. My point is if you have to use a benchmark to know it's been throttled then why all the despair?
 
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Here's the timeline of what happened:


  • AppleCare's escalation team approaches Engineering and says, "We're seeing a ton of in and out of warranty returns and repairs due to degraded batteries. This is costing us millions of dollars. Can you figure out why the iPhone 6/s failure rate is so much higher than normal?
  • Engineering gets ahold of some Failure Analysis captures from the field to reproduce the issue. They find that when the battery voltage drops due to age or cold weather, the sudden shutdowns occur.
  • They look at the peak voltage demands from the iPhone 6/s relative to the battery output curve.
  • They realize the fundamental design defect in the iPhone 6/s: the device's peak voltage demand was way, way too high relative to the battery's capabilities. This defect was not present in previous devices, and was fixed in the iPhone 7.
  • Engineering, AppleCare, Marketing and sundry Management discuss next steps. They're not going to do a recall, admitting the design defect, because the PR and financial hit would be in the tens of billions. They don't want to keep replacing phones or batteries, because that's costing millions. They're not going to put in UI letting users know their battery needs serviced, because Marketing forbids any public discussion of anything being wrong with Apple products.
  • Engineering says, "This is just a voltage problem. If we drop the clocks, we can ensure the devices never go over the peak battery voltage." Thanks to the power management hw & sw, they have good data on the battery voltage potential. The CPU already runs at lots of different clock speeds, depending on load. So it was a very simple change to detect the battery voltage max, and set the max clock speed below that threshold. Problem solved.
  • Engineering Management tells senior Execs "Okay, we have a fix for the sudden shutdown failures, but devices are going to be slower as a result. We really need to surface this to users, to mitigate the bad experience." Marketing says absolutely not we never say anything is wrong with Apple products. AppleCare says please just ship it, we have a huge pile of defective phones building up.
  • Apple rolls the dice and ships the silent software change, hoping the expensive returns will go down, customers will at least be able to use their devices, if in a degraded state, and prays no one will ever figure out the hack.
  • People slowly start figuring out their devices are slower. Finally the GeekBench guys query their database, and the CPU clock/voltage throttling sticks out like a sore thumb.
  • All hell breaks loose, and here we are.
It's critical to keep in mind this is not just about "worn out" batteries. Battery voltage drops with cold weather. My iPhone 6 was exhibiting this design defect when it was only a year old, as soon as I exposed it for the first time to cold weather. It would shut off instantly when I stepped outside. After a few months, the shutdowns became frequent as the battery did begin to "wear out" but in my case, this battery was marginal from the factory. Apple Engineering completly screwed up by allowing so little margin between max voltage requirement and worst case battery performance. No other models have had this problem before or since.

This is a coverup for what should be the biggest product recall in history. As long as Apple has people yelling at each other over battery chemistry, they win.

You also forgot to mention as others on here have done, that in iOS 10 Apple removed the information iOS displayed in the battery status and condition, and then it introduced the throttling in 10.2......

So they deliberately reduced the information they or other apps could tell you about your battery.

Introduced this throttling crap and told no one, only claimed they made some power management enhancements.

They told the genius staff to be religious and only replace batteries if the diagnostics software says to.
Despite the throttling software throttling phones with capacities higher then the diagnostics software deems needs replacing.

So they in effect made everyone believe their phones were slow due to iOS updates and led them to think they needed to upgrade.

And they have only admited it after the public caught them doing it and tested it, backed up with a big database of test results.

Yeap, Apple will suffer over this one.

You're absolutely correct, that is an even more damning piece in the chain of events.
 
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this move by Apple is actually pretty smart. Not because the perception is that they care for their customer, but dropping the battery replacement price will increase the quantity of batteries sold exponentially. I’m sure they have gone back to their battery suppliers and squeezed them for the best price possible based on projected forcasts. They will actually make money on this even though they dropped price to 29$. They also believe these same customers will buy the new iPhone next September. Yes that’s right, can you imagine that? Maybe not as many as they previously forecasted due to lawsuit but they will get the double dip from a lot of customers. They may even build their new iPhone promotional strategy to include a better trade in price for those who replaced the battery. Alot of options for them. Of course they will need this revenue to offset the billions they may have to fork over to settle the lawsuit.

Even with one of the biggest lawsuits in history pending, I’m sure Apple will be fine.
 
They have been mounting ridiculously small batteries for the performance needed, even today on the iPhone X to maximize profits and boasting that their phones optimize the use of the battery. How? Lowering their performance by half in little more than a year? Is that what they had in mind for when the batteries aged a little? And the shutdown cases can be a consequence the small batteries and it's quality or a fault unit, but no consequency.

It is common sense to think that if you put small batteries, in a relatively short period of time such as one or two years before you can even consider them old, if you put them too small, you will have to charge them very frequently, they'll deteriorate and above all, if they are very tight in performance, worse than worse.


Sadly this has been uncovered too late and many people bought the iPhone 8/8+ and X without knowing that this will affect them in the future too. Apple should change their policy immediately for future models because I doubt that there are customers happy with this, they will have many problems with this the next months or years.

The damage is already done. And as much as some want to defend it, like Apple employees. From the point of view of an impartial client it is absolutely unacceptable. Especially because we are not talking about a cheap phone, which for more ridicule usually have better battery, are expensive phones for their price with the justification of having a good service and other extras that now shine by their absence until receive instructions ...

It is clear that they try to minimize damage but they have gone beyond the mark, they have gone too far and that all the models up to date are going to be affected sooner or later is unforgivable. But in one way or another they will pay for it, that's for sure.
 
The point is none of Apple's repair actually matters.

People remember bad press.
In months to come and an upgrade to come.

All that will in many people's minds is, do I want this tablet from the company that were caught out, and ended up having to fix ongoing battery issues.

Or do I buy a different device from a company which has had no bad battery issues.

Details won't matter. Many stay away from things where they have heard negative aspects, without going deep into the reasons why.

Do I want to buy a car from Volkswagen with all the emission cheating and recalls?
Nooo
I'll go to different showrooms of companies that didn't have that problem

I don't need to deeply investigate actual facts as a consumer, you can just go with a gut feel based upon stories you remember reading in the past.
 
That statement is priceless. If you have to use a benchmark app to see if your device is lower than when it came out of box (on paper) do you really have an issue? I mean if you cant tell just by using it when why the uproar?

The same reason people get their vision and hearing tested: it degrades so slowly people often don't realize how bad it's gotten.

If you could side-by-side compare with when the phone was new (or revert back to it's original iOS) you could easily see how slow it's gotten.

I barely have anything on my iPhone 6 in terms of apps or features enabled, but it takes forever to load things and the input-blocking from animations seems to last forever.
 
Slightly larger batteries would not help, the new high-end 64-bit processor cores are designed for batteries the size of an iPad Pro. No one buys mobile phones that large.
New batteries on the iP6/6s support the design already; old ones don't. Larger batteries would definitely support the phone for longer.
 
The point is none of Apple's repair actually matters.

People remember bad press.
In months to come and an upgrade to come.

All that will in many people's minds is, do I want this tablet from the company that were caught out, and ended up having to fix ongoing battery issues.

Or do I buy a different device from a company which has had no bad battery issues.

Details won't matter. Many stay away from things where they have heard negative aspects, without going deep into the reasons why.

Do I want to buy a car from Volkswagen with all the emission cheating and recalls?
Nooo
I'll go to different showrooms of companies that didn't have that problem

I don't need to deeply investigate actual facts as a consumer, you can just go with a gut feel based upon stories you remember reading in the past.
This post is terrifying, especially that last paragraph
 
Wrong. No other major manufacturer employees these practices. And for whatever reason, slowing your device, very expensive device, down 35% without notification or clear explanation beforehand is flat out wrong.

No other manufacturer designs anything with close to the single core performance of an iPhone of the same vintage. Thus, what they do is irrelevant.
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New batteries on the iP6/6s support the design already...

Only because Apple's power management (code and hardware) has downclocked the A9 to make you think so. Otherwise those same arm64 processors cores could run as fast as they do in the iPad SOC (or faster).
 
That statement is priceless. If you have to use a benchmark app to see if your device is lower than when it came out of box (on paper) do you really have an issue? I mean if you cant tell just by using it when why the uproar?

Then why even sell faster processors if they aren’t needed. /s
 
This post is terrifying, especially that last paragraph
I am with Piggie in this case. He used the phrasing "deeply investigated". No consumer should be expected to understand the technicality beyond a reasonable expectation.
 
This post is terrifying, especially that last paragraph

Yes, only that he’s spot on

Most people won’t remember tecnical details but they will remember bad press, when about to buy this or that

This is why public persons and companies do FEAR bad press

But, as you see, bad press is some nice incentive to trigger a change in behavior

29 bucks per battery wouldn’t have happened w/o bad press

This is why MacRumors and all of our comments count so much too
 
What? Slowing down my phone is no one’s business but Apple engineers? That has to be one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. They updated my phone to it down and you are saying it none of my business?
Apple really should have been more transparent about this but I wouldn't trust 99% of users -myself included- to know what's best for their phone or their battery life.
Maybe it would work if the phone was to display a warning on a regular basis reminding the user that their phone may frequently shut down unexpectedly but I'm really not sure most people would be happy about that option either.
 
Apple really should have been more transparent about this but I wouldn't trust 99% of users -myself included- to know what's best for their phone or their battery life.
Maybe it would work if the phone was to display a warning on a regular basis reminding the user that their phone may frequently shut down unexpectedly but I'm really not sure most people would be happy about that option either.

I agree. Apple should have translated "adjustments to power management system" to "adjusting CPU speed and other OS-level hardware interactions" (or whatever) when it released its fix to "#shutdowngate" in 10.2.1 and this was being discussed back in February.

Of course, then what else would people have to do on New Year's weekend if not this thread?
 
They will be out of stock faster than you can spit.

I'm sure the initial demand is likely to be the highest, but it will probably drop way down pretty quickly. Apple already knows what the percentage of visits to their stores for this kind of issue actually is, so I think the $29 price is a reflection of knowing that demand throughout the year isn't going to be that high.
 
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And now the battery is available - Apple now says cheaper iPhone replacement battery available immediately - but -
Discounted replacement batteries for iPhones will be available now, Apple Inc. said Saturday, rather than beginning in late January, as initially announced two days ago.

A company spokeswoman cautioned that initial supplies of some replacement batteries may be limited.

“We expected to need more time to be ready, but we are happy to offer our customers the lower pricing right away,”

More time for what ? Change the price on their system for the replacement ?
 
No other manufacturer designs anything with close to the single core performance of an iPhone of the same vintage. Thus, what they do is irrelevant.

That's an obvious point that no one seems to mention in these threads, especially since downplaying the spectacular benchmarks of new A series chips is so in vogue these days for reviews of the hardware. Very common to read remarks along the lines of "the iPhone is overpowered for most of the apps" or "users won't really notice a difference in daily use" when comparing a new iPhone that completely eclipses the previous model for single and multi-core scores.
 
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