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Apple to Overhaul Mac Lineup With 11 New Models

EugW said:
I don't know anybody in the real world who cares about 120 Hz in the Neo and Air segment. I'm sure there are some out there, but it seems this is where MacRumors users and the general public differ.
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If apple are serious about their share of the consumer market they need to start meeting consumer's gaming needs too. A 120Hz/VRR screen caters to those. If anything 120Hz in the "light pro" segment is of dubious value; not so on a mid-level consumer machine as the air.
 
darkblu said:
If apple are serious about their share of the consumer market they need to start meeting consumer's gaming needs too. A 120Hz/VRR screen caters to those. If anything 120Hz in the "light pro" segment is of dubious value; not so on a mid-level consumer machine as the air.
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The Neo launch was responsible for Apple's best ever year for first-time Mac buyers. So, I think they're doing OK.
 
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EugW said:
I don't know anybody in the real world who cares about 120 Hz in the Neo and Air segment. I'm sure there are some out there, but it seems this is where MacRumors users and the general public differ.
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Look, most people buy a MacBook Air for basic stuff like browsing, texting, light photo editing, and so on. And 120Hz is exactly what gives you a real-world difference.

Everything just feels way smoother and faster when you're scrolling, watching animations, or flipping through desktops.

Honestly, what’s even the point of upgrading from, say, an M3 to an M5? You won't notice any difference at all in everyday tasks. But 60Hz vs 120Hz? That’s a difference you can actually see.
 
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Are these new models? or just updates to existing Models? Some of these look like already existing models.
 
WalsallSaddler said:
Look, most people buy a MacBook Air for basic stuff like browsing, texting, light photo editing, and so on. And 120Hz is exactly what gives you a real-world difference.

Everything just feels way smoother and faster when you're scrolling, watching animations, or flipping through desktops.

Honestly, what’s even the point of upgrading from, say, an M3 to an M5? You won't notice any difference at all in everyday tasks. But 60Hz vs 120Hz? That’s a difference you can actually see.
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Yet, few people in the real world actually care much in that segment. I certainly don't care, and I'm an Apple geek running all Retina devices, including a monitor that's higher resolution than probably what 99% of the members of this forum use.
 
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satchmo said:
Well two codenames surely means a 24" and a 30" model. 😛
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Not even close. 24" the model comes in two versions. The 'discount' one that strips off ports and tosses Ethernet by default. And the model with a reasonable number of ports for a > $1K system.


" ...

Connections and Expansion​

Two Thunderbolt / USB 4 ports with support for:

  • Thunderbolt 4 (up to 40Gb/s)
  • USB 4 (up to 40Gb/s)
  • USB 3.1 Gen 2 (up to 10Gb/s)
  • DisplayPort
  • 3.5 mm headphone jack with advanced support for high‑impedance headphones
  • Configurable with Gigabit Ethernet
Four Thunderbolt 4 ports with support for:

  • Thunderbolt 4 (up to 40Gb/s)
  • USB 4 (up to 40Gb/s)
  • USB 3.1 Gen 2 (up to 10Gb/s)
  • DisplayPort
  • 3.5 mm headphone jack with advanced support for high‑impedance headphones
  • Gigabit Ethernet
..."
www.apple.com

iMac - iMac Technical Specifications

See all the technical specifications for iMac with the M4 chip and 24-inch display.
www.apple.com
 
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B4U said:
See my reply just above. 😅
I am with you guys on this, but not everyone is tech savvy as us.
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Tech savvy??? Plugging in a monitor is literally plugging in a USB-C cable (or HDMI cable) on both sides and power plug. Plugging in an appliance is technically savvy? Has the bar really gotten that low?

People plug their phones with USB-C cables and don't have to call tech support. Cable box with HDMI output ... oh better call tech support to hook to my HDMI TV. *cough*0

The only corner case is where someone is trying to plug an older and/or cheaper monitor in that doesn't have a USB-C port. The number of new, decent monitors that don't have USB-C gets smaller every year. HDMI has even deeper penetration into the monitor market.
 
I can quite confidently say Mark Gurman has NO idea what Apple will do with their entire computer range.. He has constantly changed his mind on his predictions every week it seems. I would NOT base my purchasing decision on what he says.
 
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EugW said:
I don't know anybody in the real world who cares about 120 Hz in the Neo and Air segment. I'm sure there are some out there, but it seems this is where MacRumors users and the general public differ.
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Bingo!!! "most" complained about bogus issue. The only 'complaints' I hear are on computer forums in posts made by 'posers' from their mother's basement..
 
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EugW said:
Yet, few people in the real world actually care much in that segment. I certainly don't care, and I'm an Apple geek running all Retina devices, including a monitor that's higher resolution than probably what 99% of the members of this forum use.
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Casual users didn't care about 120Hz on iPhones either. But once ProMotion hit the base iPhone 17, even most of them noticed the difference, and now it's hard for them to unsee it.

Still, there’s definitely a group of people who either don’t see it at all or barely notice any difference. For me it’s so noticeable 60 vs 120 Hz, even on PC and notebooks.

And I see zero point in upgrading from an M2 to an M5 because there’s absolutely no difference in basic tasks due to 60Hz. A 120Hz display, on the other hand, would at least give you good difference.
 
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WalsallSaddler said:
Casual users didn't care about 120Hz on iPhones either. But once ProMotion hit the base iPhone 17, even most of them noticed the difference, and now it's hard for them to unsee it.

Still, there’s definitely a group of people who either don’t see it at all or barely notice any difference. For me it’s so noticeable 60 vs 120 Hz, even on PC, notebooks.
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I agree completely.

I only use my MBA 15" 60hz screen when absolutely necessary.
98% of the time I'm connected to an OLED 120hz external.

It is glorious.
 
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EugW said:
The Neo launch was responsible for Apple's best ever year for first-time Mac buyers. So, I think they're doing OK.
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On the desktop? We need to define 'ok', I guess. Apple are still to cross that 10% barrier. Dell schools them all around there. And top vendors like Lenovo are in a different league compared to apple.
 
And all new pro/ultra laptops will have a max RAM option of 32GB due to The Great RAM Shortage Rationing of 2026-2027. Better to get a used/refurbished M5 Pro/Max or earlier Apple Silicon with 128GB of RAM and then plan for upgrade in 2028 when RAM supply returns to abundant affordability. Have you seen the cost of portable SSDs lately?
 
deconstruct60 said:
Tech savvy??? Plugging in a monitor is literally plugging in a USB-C cable (or HDMI cable) on both sides and power plug. Plugging in an appliance is technically savvy? Has the bar really gotten that low?

People plug their phones with USB-C cables and don't have to call tech support. Cable box with HDMI output ... oh better call tech support to hook to my HDMI TV. *cough*0

The only corner case is where someone is trying to plug an older and/or cheaper monitor in that doesn't have a USB-C port. The number of new, decent monitors that don't have USB-C gets smaller every year. HDMI has even deeper penetration into the monitor market.
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Sigh, you must have not been the family tech support. 🥲
 
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I'm so glad I got my M4 Max Studio last April because it seems I'll be holding on to it for a long time seeing how you still can't buy one. I feel like I got an absolute steal on it getting it for $1800 at Micro Center considering they start at $2500 now and are still out of stock everywhere. Maybe I'll be able to upgrade when the M8 Max comes out... Better start saving my pennies now.
 
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B4U said:
Sigh, you must have not been the family tech support. 🥲
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I am the person that gets contact for family support when things get complicated. But plugging in cables is something that can easily be taught. There is zero upside in keeping my family as tech dumb as possible so that I have to do all the work. And really not what 'support' teams should generally do. Part of support is helping users learn to do a better job for themselves that is within the means of their abilities.

Plugging two devices together with a cable is not that hard. Especially, when they are explicitly designed to be plugged into each other.
 
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