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T-Mobile makes more sense, they offer 3G data plans with 1, 3 or 10GB monthly limits. I hope if T-Mobile carry it elsewhere in Europe I can just use one of their phones.

I hate this whole network tied crap, it's so very un European in the first place. Just let us choose!
 
Boy I hate this exclusiveness. Why not just offer the phone on all networks? Visual voice mail can't be the only reason.

The reason: An exclusive deal for the iPhone is very valuable for that provider, because it will make people switch from other phone companies. A non-exclusive contract is worth a lot, lot less. With a non-exclusive contract all they get is their own customers switching from a different phone to the iPhone; that gives the phone company nothing except a bit more revenue because iPhone customers will buy an unlimited data plan. With an exclusive deal, they steal revenue from the competition.
 
Clarify please is GPRS the same as EDGE. Because O2 has no EDGE so the iPhone relies on GPRS?

3G iPhone in Nov is still a longshot IMO
 
I guess, seen who is reporting it, that it's true. Am not sure, but European version might have GPRS, it's just a chip swap OR for all we know, the current chip already supports GPRS. And as usual, France, UK and Germany are suposedly seen as major markets for Apple and as usual are the first to get the iPhone.

It would be foolish to think that the iPhone comes at the same time all over Europe.

Be sure that some countries will even have to wait longer as those have laws against locking phones. Those will have it...?
 
And What about Italy?!?!?

... and what about Italy?! It's a really big market of Mobile Phones! but we haven't O2 or Orange or T-Mobile! the only big companies that will be sold the iPhone in Italy are Vodafone (I really hope that will be the partner of Apple!) and "3":confused:
Do you have any rumors about this?
 
US iTuens account to use UK iPhone?

It's a bit off from the topic in this discussion. But, I got a question. I'd been in the US about five years, so my iTunes account is the US one. But, I live in UK now. Will I be able to use UK iPhone with US iTunes account? If not, I cannot play the music in my iTunes library, right?
 
If the European iPhone doesn't support 3G, don't even bother coming Apple.
Hell, it should support HSDPA, let alone 3G.
 
EDGE is like GPRS+. If no EDGE is available the phone will drop to GPRS speeds. EDGE is already reportedly too slow.

Hmmm. Apple should really implement 3G its just good business and it shouldnt be that hard.
 
Pah, I just looked at o2's website, 1Mb data with each tariff? That just wont go with the iPhone. I looked for a data bundle, but their website id unhelpful.
T-MObile = £7.50 a month unlimited data, plus nice tariff's. The only reason I'm with vodafone now over T-Mobile is that vodafone is the ONLY network to have a signal in my office, and that's because it's underground and there are vodafone repeaters in the building.
I've always seen o2 as the 4th player with 3 behind vodafone, t-mobile and orange, in that order.
We shall see, this means nothing without an official announcement. I guess if they do go o2 1) they will have to have an unlimited data bundle, and 2) I will probably switch cos I'm an idiot for :apple: :)
 
just a matter of interest, whats O2's 3G coverage like? I know that vodaphone and orange share there 3G networks.
 
Mr. Jobs has been quoted as saying that 3G takes up too much energy and space.....

If these people did it, then surely Apple should be able to. I can understand the power arguement but physical size and space?.....im not really buying that one
 
Mr. Jobs has been quoted as saying that 3G takes up too much energy and space.....
I think we can expect him to do a Tony Blair and slowly drop those claims, focusing more on the other reasons he gave last week i.e. 3G coverage varies too much from city to city in the US.
 
Bad news for the smaller EU countries

I was afraid of this, being in holland does not help if it comes down to iPhone, it will probly be mid 2008 till we get it here.

Oh well, more time to save some money and made by that time it will be 3G and ref B, just to stay postive about the news, lol.
 
Mr. Jobs has been quoted as saying that 3G takes up too much energy and space.....

He was speaking about 3G in America, my understanding is that 3G in Europe not only uses a different frequency but its technical specs make it more power efficient. Plus, 3G is far more prevalent in Europe so chipsets supporting the European-flavor of 3G are more prevalent and further along than chips that support the U.S. 3G. In other words, I wouldn't necessary assume the reasons Jobs cited for excluding 3G from the American iPhone carries over to the European version. You Europeans may very well get your 3G after all.
 
It's a bit off from the topic in this discussion. But, I got a question. I'd been in the US about five years, so my iTunes account is the US one. But, I live in UK now. Will I be able to use UK iPhone with US iTunes account? If not, I cannot play the music in my iTunes library, right?
I'm pretty sure that ipod functionality is completely separate - plenty of people buy their ipods in the different countries, your iTunes location is based, I think, on a mix of your initial IP address and billing address when you first sign up.
 
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