Apple to Publish Privacy Labels for Preinstalled iOS Apps on Website

[genovelle]

Haha sociopaths that developed a FREE service that you use and probably don't want to pay for. You expect Facebook and Google etc to continue to develop and support free apps you want to use and don't want to pay for, but oh no they better not track me and monetize that because then I will be up in arms about it.

I prefer buying apps so I don't have to give up my rights. If I.desire to be tracked to use a service it should be my.choice. I also.have the right to know if FB is tracking me while I’m no longer using their app and if they are selling that information.

 

[ozzymo]

I think you didn’t understand what this is about!

Oh I understand perfectly what this is about. If you look at the "privacy labels" you will see Apple collects data on you and transmits it also. Facebook and Google will now have to use the same privacy labels. See Apple collects data on its users just like everyone else does. Here's the big difference. I paid Apple thousands of dollars for all my Apple hardware they don't need to track me they already have enough of my money. I have paid Google absolutely zero, not one penny. The fact that they do some tracking to monetize me using their free services is 100% understandable.

 

[PPietra]

Their complaint in this instance was valid. The privacy labels should apply to all apps, first and third party. Apple obviously agrees. Apple may have already been planning to do it anyway, but that's neither here nor there. FB lodged a valid concern, Apple quickly alleviated it. The issue doesn't persist and fester. It doesn't get to become a talking point in the "Apple's anti-competitive behavior" argument. No EU commission can latch on to it. It essentially dies as quickly as it was born.

Actually FB didn’t make any valid complaint. They accused Apple of doing something before anything has happened, before having any proof.

 

[69Mustang]

Even better than that.

I'm sure Apple absolutely knew that some poor, downtrodden company would trot that position out sooner or later.

They waited for the other company to complain, then they countered.

Let the other player make the opening gambit and then respond - with what you were always going to do anyways.

Smart.

That's not smart. It would be dumb imo. Doing it this way can make some look at it as if Apple was pressured by Facebook into including their own apps. My guess is Apple intended to do it all along and just neglected to mention their apps specifically. This doesn't follow the old adage "any pub is good pub". They definitely didn't want the negativity associated with Facebook's implication of preferential treatment. What you're suggesting is a bad TV plot.

 

[ozzymo]

I prefer buying apps so I don't have to give up my rights. If I.desire to be tracked to use a service it should be my.choice. I also.have the right to know if FB is tracking me while I’m no longer using their app and if they are selling that information.

If you have used Facebook before and not paid for it which nobody has, then I don't see the problem with them monetizing you. Facebook and Google don't owe anyone anything. They shouldn't have to develop and support all these services and not be able to monetize it. As long as Facebook and Google are following the law, there is nothing wrong with what they are doing.

 

[PPietra]

Haha sociopaths that developed a FREE service that you use and probably don't want to pay for. You expect Facebook and Google etc to continue to develop and support free apps you want to use and don't want to pay for, but oh no they better not track me and monetize that because then I will be up in arms about it.

I don’t use FB or Whatsapp. You can use ads as monetisation without following and stripping peoples privacy. That was how things were done before.

 

[ozzymo]

I don’t use FB or Whatsapp. You can use ads as monetisation without following and stripping peoples privacy. That was how things were done before.

Really? How many people do you know that don't use AdBlockers? Even my grandma has adblockers installed on her computer. If everyone relied on ads there would be no free services or apps anymore. Then all companies would start charging a monthly fee to use previously free services and then that would set off a whole different form of people crying.

 

[MowgliWolf]

“WhatsApp said that the broad terms displayed in the labels could result in users being concerned about the data that WhatsApp collects”

given its parent company’s track record in data collection I don’t think it’s Apple’s “broad terms” they should be focussing on.

 

[coachgq]

Well good. Now maybe all the data miners will quit whining.

 

[ozzymo]

“WhatsApp said that the broad terms displayed in the labels could result in users being concerned about the data that WhatsApp collects”

given its parent company’s track record in data collection I don’t think it’s Apple’s “broad terms” they should be focussing on.

I wish Facebook and WhatsApp would just come out tomorrow and say fine we will not longer track or monetize our user's browsing habits. So going forward our services will no longer be free and we will start charging a monthly fee to use. That way everyone can keep their privacy intact. Would love to witness all the crying and screaming that would ensue when everyone could no longer get their free Facebook fix every second of the day.

 

[alecgold]

Oh I understand perfectly what this is about. If you look at the "privacy labels" you will see Apple collects data on you and transmits it also. Facebook and Google will now have to use the same privacy labels. See Apple collects data on its users just like everyone else does. Here's the big difference. I paid Apple thousands of dollars for all my Apple hardware they don't need to track me they already have enough of my money. I have paid Google absolutely zero, not one penny. The fact that they do some tracking to monetize me using their free services is 100% understandable.

Funny thing. You don’t need to use them, they will still use trackers, harvest data and sell everything they know about you.

 

[coachgq]

Really? How many people do you know that don't use AdBlockers? Even my grandma has adblockers installed on her computer. If everyone relied on ads there would be no free services or apps anymore. Then all companies would start charging a monthly fee to use previously free services and then that would set off a whole different form of people crying.

First thought is a newspaper. They sold ad space and never new if I wanted to buy a lexus OR a toyota.

 

[69Mustang]

Actually FB didn’t make any valid complaint. They accused Apple of doing something before anything has happened, before having any proof.

Well actually [pushes up glasses] you're wrong. This is what they said: "We think labels should be consistent across first and third party apps as well as reflect the strong measures apps may take to protect people's private information," a WhatsApp spokesperson told Axios. "While providing people with easy to read information is a good start, we believe it's important people can compare these 'privacy nutrition' labels from apps they download with apps that come pre-installed, like iMessage."

They accused Apple of not doing something: requiring it's apps to adhere to the same labels. Prior to today, none of Apple's messaging conveyed that their apps would be subject to the same disclosure. That clarification only came after FB's complaint. So yeah, valid.

 

[coachgq]

I wish Facebook and WhatsApp would just come out tomorrow and say fine we will not longer track or monetize our user's browsing habits. So going forward our services will no longer be free and we will start charging a monthly fee to use. That way everyone can keep their privacy intact. Would love to witness all the crying and screaming that would ensue when everyone could no longer get their free Facebook fix every second of the day.

I would drop facebook in a heartbeat if it cost money. I'm pretty tired of reading everyone's religious and political rants.

 

[Jimmy James]

Bye, Facebook.

 

[ozzymo]

First thought is a newspaper. They sold ad space and never new if I wanted to buy a lexus OR a toyota.

A newspaper is print media. You can't use an adblocker on a piece of paper. All the services we are talking about are digital media. It is easy and so very trivial to block ads on digital media. Believe me, if my grandma figured out how to do it then basically anyone can block ads on digital media.

 

[ozzymo]

I would drop facebook in a heartbeat if it cost money. I'm pretty tired of reading everyone's religious and political rants.

That is exactly my point. Everyone cries about their privacy but they want their cake and eat it too. They don't want Facebook to track them, but they also don't want to pay for it. It is a very arrogant way to look at things. Hey Facebook, you owe me! I want to continue using your app which you better not charge me for and don't you dare think you can make any money off me.

 

[gaximus]

Wait. Wait. Wait. Hold up! So now everyone is saying it's ok that Apple tracks me because now I know about it. So that begs the question who doesn't know that Facebook tracks you? Or Google? Is there a person alive that doesn't know you are being tracked when you use Facebook or any Google service? Of course not. Everyone knows they are being tracked, but still cry about it. Now what you are saying is oh I don't like being tracked unless it's Apple tracking me then because Apple is righteous and omnipotent I don't mind them tracking me.

Not everyone knows the extent that they are being tracked. I still find people who don’t understand why they visit a site, then see an add from that site when visiting another site. They seem to think it’s a coincidence.

 

[PPietra]

Oh I understand perfectly what this is about. If you look at the "privacy labels" you will see Apple collects data on you and transmits it also. Facebook and Google will now have to use the same privacy labels. See Apple collects data on its users just like everyone else does. Here's the big difference. I paid Apple thousands of dollars for all my Apple hardware they don't need to track me they already have enough of my money. I have paid Google absolutely zero, not one penny. The fact that they do some tracking to monetize me using their free services is 100% understandable.

the "privacy labels" haven’t appeared yet, so you saying that Apple transmits data is void of facts... And if when they come online they say something of the sort, then people will have the knowledge to know what is happening and decide what is best for them. Transparency is far better than companies like Facebook collecting data from thousands of different apps that use its ad network without people knowledge. The same goes for hundreds of other companies that pay for apps to include tracking software for completely unrelated endeavours, again without people knowing about it. It is time to stop apps from abusing our trust.

 

[ozzymo]

Not everyone knows the extent that they are being tracked. I still find people who don’t understand why they visit a site, then see an add from that site when visiting another site. They seem to think it’s a coincidence.

And you don't think Apple does anything with the data it collects. I'm not saying they do anything illegal or nefarious with all the data they collect. But they collect it for a reason. They use that data to refine the products they make to enrich their net worth. Facebook and Google use the data they collect to enrich their net worth also.

 

[orbital~debris]

Boom! (as Jobs was fond of saying). That’s how you deal with facebook.

 

[coachgq]

A newspaper is print media. You can't use an adblocker on a piece of paper. All the services we are talking about are digital media. It is easy and so very trivial to block ads on digital media. Believe me, if my grandma figured out how to do it then basically anyone can block ads on digital media.

I was answering from the perspective of "how it used to be done". No tracking and privacy issues with newspaper ads.

 

[ozzymo]

the "privacy labels" haven’t appeared yet, so you saying that Apple transmits data is void of facts... And if when they come online they say something of the sort, then people will have the knowledge to know what is happening and decide what is best for them. Transparency is far better than companies like Facebook collecting data from thousands of different apps that use it’s ad network without people knowledge. The same goes for hundreds of other companies that pay for apps to include tracking software for completely unrelated endeavours, again without people knowing about it. It is time to stop apps from abusing our trust.

Apple transmits data is 100% fact. Look at what happened when Big Sur launched. Their servers went down and you could not open any third party apps on your computer because it transmits some form of data to Apple's servers. Also look at choices they have made in Big Sur. They exempted their own apps and made it so they can not be blocked by VPN or firewalls. Its already been proven by security experts that malware can easily be distributed in Big Sur because of those implications Apple has made.

 

[gaximus]

And you don't think Apple does anything with the data it collects. I'm not saying they do anything illegal or nefarious with all the data they collect. But they collect it for a reason. They use that data to refine the products they make to enrich their net worth. Facebook and Google use the data they collect to enrich their net worth also.

My argument was that people don't know the extent to which they are being tracked, nothing about Apple collecting or not collecting data.

 

[ozzymo]

I was answering from the perspective of "how it used to be done". No tracking and privacy issues with newspaper ads.

Yea newspapers don't need to track because their ads can't be blocked. If Facebook and Google could only use conventional ads with no tracking they would not make any money whatsoever. Then everyone would lose the free apps they so desperately love.