Okay lets take your question. Facebook just blindly sells ads without targeting or knowing anything about you. Say you are a man, Facebook wouldn't know that so they show you an ad about makeup or maternity products. Of course you would not be interested and not buy. Facebook would make very little, talking about percentages of a penny on showing that ad if anything at all. Let's say they target you and know about your interests and show you an ad on something you might be interested in and you actually buy something. Then Facebook makes some real money for the service they are providing you. Targeted advertising actually pays. Blind advertising with no user engagement pays practically nothing.
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Apple to Publish Privacy Labels for Preinstalled iOS Apps on Website
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I think another problem here is I don’t get the choice. If I want to use facebook, shouldn’t I be allowed to choose free or paid, privacy or not? I feel like I see a ton of arguments on here about choice. Spotify, Epic games....
You didn't understand. I'm not using a commercially available VPN. I am using my home personal VPN so that when I am out and about I have a secure connection to my home router and home network which filters all my internet activity.
How do you like the idea if I go trough every single picture you take? And identify every single face in them? And then use the data to make a enormous database where all the faces are searchable?So tell my why this is a problem? If they aren’t listening to me talk they how are they hearing what I say?
How to stop Facebook from accessing your microphone
Facebook has gone on record to state that it is not listening in on your conversations, but those coincidental ads seem really creepy. You can turn off the microphone.www.imore.com
Is that creepy enough?
I agree with that. I wish Facebook and Google would offer paid services with no advertising but I suspect they know a very, very small percentage of people would actually buy. So the only choice we have which is still ultimately a choice is to not use the service or use the service and live with the targeted advertising.
I do understand, but it doesn’t filter out the data that trackers in cookies collect.
Are you providing me with a free service that I am willingly engaging in? If not then you are hacking into my data which is a crime. No one is forcing anyone to use Facebook or Google. It is easy to stop using them, but I guess society has gotten addicted to free services and don't want to start having to pay for it.
Yes it does. My home network filters out all tracking. Or at least 99.0% of it. I'm sure something every once in a while slips through which is fine because it is probably some service or website I am using for free.
You clicked “ok” in Picasa/Google mail/Facebook/a shady app in the App Store. And even if you didn’t, pictures made by others on Facebook that accidentally have your face in it, will still be analysed. So you aunt on that party snapping happily pictures to Facebook???
Then my question remains, how can you view webpages? Because most webpages start to do really difficult if you don’t use any cookie.
Yea what a third party does with a picture of me in the background is obviously beyond this scope and not really anything can be done about that. That's not really what we are talking about. We are talking about apps and services that people voluntarily download and use knowing full well they are being targeted and tracked.
from ft.com:
A peer-reviewed study of almost 1m Android apps has revealed how data from smartphones are harvested and shared, with nearly 90 per cent of apps set up to transfer information back to Google.
edit: the median app could transfer data to 10 third parties, with one in five apps able to share data with more than 20.
It might be better on iOS. But stil... how many apps do not send back data?
A peer-reviewed study of almost 1m Android apps has revealed how data from smartphones are harvested and shared, with nearly 90 per cent of apps set up to transfer information back to Google.
edit: the median app could transfer data to 10 third parties, with one in five apps able to share data with more than 20.
It might be better on iOS. But stil... how many apps do not send back data?
No, because Apple has now made user privacy a key point of their brand value.
If Apple were ever to be found out for privacy violations akin to the likes of Google, Facebook et al their most valuable asset, their brand, would be trashed.
So, yes, I do trust them more than those other tech companies because they have more to lose.
Yea I'm sure they do. This is more an indictment on our culture nowadays where we want everything for free. The App Store is mainly at fault for that. Most apps are free nowadays even games on iOS. They monetize with IAP and data collection. When the App Store first started most every app had a price tag attached. Now I see people cry about a game on iOS when it costs $5. But they don't bat an eye to download a free game which makes you pay every ten minutes to keep playing. Fact is people don't want to pay for apps and don't want to see ads. Companies have had to evolve to survive. Targeted advertising is a result of this change in human behavior.
Yea I'm not saying Apple is a horrible company. They do some good things, but they also do bad things in furtherance of their bottom line. Just like I'm saying Facebook and Google aren't some evil dastardly company. Apple fans paint Apple as the glowing angel and any other company as a conniving devil. In their eyes only Apple is allowed to make money and any other company who tries to make a dollar is evil and bad and needs to be stopped by Apple. This Apple worship is really puzzling and interesting to me. I like Apple products and use a lot of them, but I don't buy into this notion of blind devotion to any company.
Nice try Facebook, but Apple has nothing to hide.
Now where are all the Macrumors commenters who were up in arms earlier today calling out Apple?
Now where are all the Macrumors commenters who were up in arms earlier today calling out Apple?
Wouldn’t surprise me if apple had these nutrition labels on it’s own apps written up already and were waiting for an opportunity to use it this way to rebuke whichever company came out first to complain about the labels. Exposing themselves for the data hungry animals they are and getting apple to do something they were already intending to do. 4D chess apple well played
Apple should have released the information as soon as the standard was announced, in my opinion.
The labels are too vague.
Usage data: Which usage data? Does it record my voice. what I type on the keyboard? What other apps I use?
Financial Info: which financial info? What i bought on iTunes store? My credit card? my debt to the bank? how much I am worth? my Paypal account?
Apple is better than Google and Amazon. Not private. They do collect data and have info on you just not as much as the Goolag and Facebook does. They actually record your voice and store it in their data base to teach Siri, so much for privacy.
Usage data: Which usage data? Does it record my voice. what I type on the keyboard? What other apps I use?
Financial Info: which financial info? What i bought on iTunes store? My credit card? my debt to the bank? how much I am worth? my Paypal account?
Apple is better than Google and Amazon. Not private. They do collect data and have info on you just not as much as the Goolag and Facebook does. They actually record your voice and store it in their data base to teach Siri, so much for privacy.
Correct. Nothing is free. No legal problem with a company collecting data to sell ads.
it's then a moral problem whether a for profit company should collect data and sell it.
and THAT is definitely debateable! Haha 😂 some folks have no problem with it whether they are aware of it happening or not. Some people (like me) have a big problem with it and will never buy Google products, and try to avoid them as much as realistically possible and complain about the services I'm forced to used (like Google classroom... for real F Google for being in children's classrooms. I have zero trust that they aren't building profiles of every single child that uses their products).
Eating your own dog food - Wikipedia
It's a fairly common saying, especially in software.
Good, but who is policing the accuracy of their own transparency? Will there be a rating for the OS calling in to Apple constantly? There is a potential problem of normalizing data infringement instead.
How many of us read cookie warnings? We click okay, because we want to get the info and move on. Nobody wants Adobe to have invasive software, but few people want to give up using their products.
How many of us read cookie warnings? We click okay, because we want to get the info and move on. Nobody wants Adobe to have invasive software, but few people want to give up using their products.