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~7000 deaths in the US due to the vaccine are reported in VAERS since the dawn of time.

~7000 deaths in the US due to COVID have been reported since Tuesday.


Before the vaccine, people kept berating those supporting the lockdowns and masks as “living in fear” for wanting to curb the spread of the disease. Now people terrified of injections given more than 5 billion times refer to themselves as “hesitant”.

Stop living in fear. Do the right thing. Get vaccinated.
Go preach your lies somewhere else. Watch the booster kills thousands and thousands….and a new variant will be the blame of course. Wake up before the clot shot kills you too.
 
“I don’t trust the government to take a vaccin as long as it’s not approved by the FDA.

FDA… also being the government. ”

Meanwhile my country is opening up again after most have been vaccinated. Masks are no longer required and we get back to normal.

It’s weird the US prefers to stay in this situation.
No they do not. You do not have a right to yell fire in a crowded theater and you do not have a right to infect other people with your selfishness.

Your right to say "no" ends when it affects others and the public good. Period.
So, by this logic test everyone for every possible thing and prosecute/fine people who are positive for any type of communicable disease. Invest in vaccine & testing companies, make a killing and live on your own island 🏝. Problems solved! Require people to obtain & wear Apple watches 24/7 equipped with advanced diagnostic and tracking capabilities!!! Make another mega fortune investing in Apple stocks and options!!!
 
Your right to say "no" ends when it affects others and the public good. Period.
That's not how any of our constitutional rights are interpreted. All of them affect others, especially 1A and 2A, yet they stand.
(I'm not meaning to suggest that the Constitution says anything about medical procedures.)
 
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They should mandate a vaccine for anyone to use their phones, and see how quickly people get their shots..
There are people that can't get vaccinated. Either because there are no available vaccines or they might have some health issues and many other reasons. Bad idea.
 
I haven't seen all the details, but requiring tests for vaccinated people (for corporate employees) is ridiculous. The vaccination rate in Cupertino among Apple employees is surely 80-90%. Even mask should not be required according to the FDA, as the Bay Area is NOT a Covid hotspot. Yet we have a paranoid local government that mandated wearing masks indoors (based on misleading data what were purported to show that vaccinated people spread the virus at the same rate as unvaccinated ones--that's FALSE). Let's stop with paranoia, follow science, and get on with our lives without being bothered by Covid. Unvaccinated retail employees should be tested weekly. Reality check: Last year, more people in SF died of overdose than Covid.
Why testing? THE NIH/CDC explicitly states that the testing methodology cannot differential between viruses. The tests are also unreliable because of the sensitivity of chemical mixture tolerances, and prone to false positives.

Further, the testing criteria have been significantly modified, no less than 4 times since summer of 2020. Yet no authority or Pharma corp has bothered to qualify any of the overall case, death or hospitalization counts or transmissibility in any reporting to reflect this.

So why keep making more bad data?
 
Go preach your lies somewhere else. Watch the booster kills thousands and thousands….and a new variant will be the blame of course. Wake up before the clot shot kills you too.
Now it’s the booster that will thousands? not the first two shots? Keep on inventing new lies.

The numbers are clear: infections and hospitalisations go down in regions with high vaccination rates.

And the sad reality that we have to live in is that anti-vaxxers will cause the virus to keep spreading and mutating. If a new mutation surfaces that will circumvent vaccines, we know who to blame.

let’s put it this way: why should I pay the hospital bill for someone with COVID who is unvaccinated and therefore suffering a preventable disease (to clarify: we have social security where I live)? Why should someone have their (unrelated to covid) medical care postponed because there are no free beds in the hospital due to unvaccinated COVID patients?
 
There are people that can't get vaccinated. Either because there are no available vaccines or they might have some health issues and many other reasons. Bad idea.
It’s perfectly possible to mandate vaccins, like we do for some other illnesses, and allow for exceptions for medical reasons.
 
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Yikes. I am vaccinated and a staunch supporter of vaccines. I believe in them as the hope for getting us out of this nightmare so much that I (and my family) have donated a considerable amount of money to help other people get vaccinated, here and abroad. And I certainly agree with what you said about the unvaccinated causing catastrophic problems with health care access. I’ve seen it firsthand when a family member needed emergency care. We have terrible problems we must face together as a nation.

But we hold that liberty isn’t something that’s granted or removed by man. It’s our birthright. Our Bill of rights does not “give” us anything. It’s an affirmation of what we believe we have at birth, and we fought a war that split our country in two to extend that affirmation to the people we enslaved and subjugated.

I will not support this becoming a “Your papers, please” country. The unvaccinated are not to be rounded up like cattle, and sent to an island/interment camp. We did that crap with Japanese Americans because we thought there was this big danger from them and it was morally and ethically wrong and a huge dump on our Constitution and can’t be allowed to ever happen again.

We give up due process of law, we give up our rights, then there is nothing worth living for in this country.

The unvaccinated are human beings and our fellow countrymen. The fact we’re divided into an us vs them mindset that would even suggest a “solution” such as you’ve proposed (on an earlier post I didn’t quote), even just out of very understandable and relatable frustration, just proves the point about some of the fears they’re voicing about where this crisis could lead our country.

We can do better than this. I think Apple is trying and they are trying to bring mutual respect to the table and that’s not a bad example to set and to follow.

Are you saying any country that has vaccine passport are some short of country that does respect rights and freedom?

In fact, these vaccine passport will help increase vaccine rate.

I never will understand the logic behind American’s so called Freedom and liberty. You rather have people dying due to COVID and daily 10K plus new cases, but won’t implement some short of mandatory vaccine. You rather have #1 gun murder rate, than restrict gun. But in turn, in some area of the country, they have no problem restricting abortion and LGBT right.

I am up here in Canada. I seen how crazy these anti-vaxxer. They have no respect to other people, they have no respect to law and public health. They went to attack anyone who doesn’t agree with them. They even go physical attack to our Prime Minister.

I am sorry, I have no respect to these anti-masker and anti-vaxxer. They don’t deserve liberty and freedom.
 
Yikes. I am vaccinated and a staunch supporter of vaccines. I believe in them as the hope for getting us out of this nightmare so much that I (and my family) have donated a considerable amount of money to help other people get vaccinated, here and abroad. And I certainly agree with what you said about the unvaccinated causing catastrophic problems with health care access. I’ve seen it firsthand when a family member needed emergency care. We have terrible problems we must face together as a nation.

But we hold that liberty isn’t something that’s granted or removed by man. It’s our birthright. Our Bill of rights does not “give” us anything. It’s an affirmation of what we believe we have at birth, and we fought a war that split our country in two to extend that affirmation to the people we enslaved and subjugated.

I will not support this becoming a “Your papers, please” country. The unvaccinated are not to be rounded up like cattle, and sent to an island/interment camp. We did that crap with Japanese Americans because we thought there was this big danger from them and it was morally and ethically wrong and a huge dump on our Constitution and can’t be allowed to ever happen again.

We give up due process of law, we give up our rights, then there is nothing worth living for in this country.

The unvaccinated are human beings and our fellow countrymen. The fact we’re divided into an us vs them mindset that would even suggest a “solution” such as you’ve proposed (on an earlier post I didn’t quote), even just out of very understandable and relatable frustration, just proves the point about some of the fears they’re voicing about where this crisis could lead our country.

We can do better than this. I think Apple is trying and they are trying to bring mutual respect to the table and that’s not a bad example to set and to follow.
Thank you, thank you. Quoting this so others can read if they missed it.
 
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Yup, hear this all the time, and it's WRONG.

Being vaccinated is NOT a personal choice when it involves an invisible virus that can KILL someone else. By not getting vaccinated, you're deciding someone else's fate, not your own.

Ugh, what a weird world we live in.

P.S. The science is solid. The mRNA vaccines do nothing to affect one's DNA. Zero, zip. This is proven.
Wait, are you saying if I get the vaccine I’m not protected? I might have to totally rethink this. /s

If I am protected, then why do I care if someone else is not? The weird world is the one where people say others need to get the vaccine to keep from spreading it to others, then want to force those vaccinated people into masks and lockdowns to… uh… keep from spreading it to others. WTF?!
 
Several things ARE settled.
Those who refuse to be vaccinated are people of low intelligence who care nothing for their fellows.
They endanger humanity by service as walking Petri dishes for cultivating the disease. They willingly and voluntarily endanger children who are too young to be vaccinated. They endanger those whose actual medical conditions prevent them from being vaccinated.
They endanger those with other critical diseases by taking up ICU beds needed for people who actually need them.
They are to be despised.

The only way they can salvage themselves is to pledge and carry out the promise to also refuse hospitalization, ICU and ventilation should they contract COVID-19.

Those who have survived COVID-19 have SOME immunity. A mild case confers MILD immunity and vaccination is recommended.
 
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So the people following scientific processes and guidance are emotional propagandists and the ones who equate masks to muzzles are the smart self-educators, got it.
If UrbanJoe1 was wrong then people wouldn’t be silenced on these social media platforms constantly. Silencing people is tyrannical. Just admit that you support tyranny.
 
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Wait, are you saying if I get the vaccine I’m not protected? I might have to totally rethink this. /s

If I am protected, then why do I care if someone else is not? The weird world is the one where people say others need to get the vaccine to keep from spreading it to others, then want to force those vaccinated people into masks and lockdowns to… uh… keep from spreading it to others. WTF?!
A VERY selfish person (note I did not call you human) you are.
 
Go preach your lies somewhere else. Watch the booster kills thousands and thousands….and a new variant will be the blame of course. Wake up before the clot shot kills you too.
Come on, this is just silly and doesn’t help anyone.
 
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A VERY selfish person (note I did not call you human) you are.
You don’t try to untie the nonsensical preaching that people must get vaccinated to stop spreading it and at the same time are vectors for spreading it. Instead you just attack and call me selfish. I’m vaccinated by the way, I just won’t selfishly dictate what others “must” do.
 
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Your body, your choice.
I didn’t disagree with your opinion. Nor did I advocate for forcing anyone to do anything with their body they don’t see fit, so your response is a little perplexing.

It’s almost like me, explaining my position and though process on why I chose to do with my body what I did bothers you.

If you want or don’t want to get the vaccine, that’s your decision. I don’t believe people should be forced to. I believe that is fundamentally wrong.

But, I also believe that at this point, the Covid vaccine is one of the most widely distributed pharmaceutical products in recent history, the side effects are minimal, and the benefits far outweigh the potential downside.

Everyone’s circumstances and reasoning is different. If you feel as though my reasoning is not sound, that’s fine. Your decision is your decision. I respect that.

I’m also in a position where I’m a first responder and deal with disaffected populations on a routine basis. Those people typically are vaccine hesitant and have limited access to health care, where I have excellent access to health care and am under the continuing care of some of the best physicians in the country for several pre existing conditions.

I got into this line of work to do good. Not to do harm and certainly not to get rich. I considered it part of my vocation to do everything I could to be the best protector I can be of others. To me, part of that was getting the vaccine. I also got it for personal reasons.

You do you. I believe it’s one of the fundamental rights of human beings to do as they chose so long as it doesn’t effect others.

But don’t expect me to respect your decision to do as you choose with your body, if you don’t respect mine…
 
Yup, hear this all the time, and it's WRONG.

Being vaccinated is NOT a personal choice when it involves an invisible virus that can KILL someone else. By not getting vaccinated, you're deciding someone else's fate, not your own.

Ugh, what a weird world we live in.

P.S. The science is solid. The mRNA vaccines do nothing to affect one's DNA. Zero, zip. This is proven.


They do have that right.

You have the right to become vaccinated.

An uninfected person poses no danger regardless of vaccination status.

A person recovered from a COVID infection poses no danger regardless of vaccination status.

Your fate is only decided by your own actions. Get vaccinated and wash your hands. The science is proven, but people are well within their rights to question it. That is what smart people do.
 
Are you saying any country that has vaccine passport are some short of country that does respect rights and freedom?

In fact, these vaccine passport will help increase vaccine rate.

I never will understand the logic behind American’s so called Freedom and liberty. You rather have people dying due to COVID and daily 10K plus new cases, but won’t implement some short of mandatory vaccine. You rather have #1 gun murder rate, than restrict gun. But in turn, in some area of the country, they have no problem restricting abortion and LGBT right.

I am up here in Canada. I seen how crazy these anti-vaxxer. They have no respect to other people, they have no respect to law and public health. They went to attack anyone who doesn’t agree with them. They even go physical attack to our Prime Minister.

I am sorry, I have no respect to these anti-masker and anti-vaxxer. They don’t deserve liberty and freedom.
Nailed it!

More often than not, America’s Freedom and liberties, have become a tool for politicians and lobbyists to rally up people And unfortunately, people fall into the trap all the time.

Masks, social distancing, vaccines, … it’s all limiting someone‘s freedom. But can I go to the store driving on the left side of the road without wearing a seatbelt or pants? No. that’s the consequence of living in a society.

If someone had the chance to get vaccinated (for free!), and ends up needing medical care for COVID, they should wait at the end of the line and pay everything out of pocket. And refusing them in a store or bar is well within the rights of society to protect its citizens.
 
Are you saying any country that has vaccine passport are some short of country that does respect rights and freedom?

In fact, these vaccine passport will help increase vaccine rate.

I never will understand the logic behind American’s so called Freedom and liberty. You rather have people dying due to COVID and daily 10K plus new cases, but won’t implement some short of mandatory vaccine. You rather have #1 gun murder rate, than restrict gun. But in turn, in some area of the country, they have no problem restricting abortion and LGBT right.

I am up here in Canada. I seen how crazy these anti-vaxxer. They have no respect to other people, they have no respect to law and public health. They went to attack anyone who doesn’t agree with them. They even go physical attack to our Prime Minister.

I am sorry, I have no respect to these anti-masker and anti-vaxxer. They don’t deserve liberty and freedom.


Why are you bringing up guns, gays, and abortion? Canadians don’t even have the freedom of speech. However, based on this post, it doesn’t seem like they deserve it.

How would you feel about forced vaccinations by your federal government? I kind of think it is a good idea if the concept of individual freedom is abandoned.
 
They do have that right.

You have the right to become vaccinated.

An uninfected person poses no danger regardless of vaccination status.

A person recovered from a COVID infection poses no danger regardless of vaccination status.

Your fate is only decided by your own actions. Get vaccinated and wash your hands. The science is proven, but people are well within their rights to question it. That is what smart people do.

“Your fate is only decided by your own actions.” That’s one of the most absurd backward things I’ve read. A global pandemic, herd immunity, vaccinations, … are all social things. you can’t have a pandemic on your own, so your fate is not in your own hands. That’s exactly the point why as many people need to get vaccinated: to protect themselves, people around them, and those that can’t be vaccinated or have weakened immunity.
 
Why are you bringing up guns, gays, and abortion? Canadians don’t even have the freedom of speech. However, based on this post, it doesn’t seem like they deserve it.

How would you feel about forced vaccinations by your federal government? I kind of think it is a good idea if the concept of individual freedom is abandoned.
You should wake up.

Canada scores higher than the US on the worldwide personal freedom index. And way higher on the freedom of press Index. Like many other countries do. Keep believing your fantasies about your freedomz.

You also do realise mandatory vaccinations do exist in the US? They have been for over a 100 years.
 
Nailed it!

More often than not, America’s Freedom and liberties, have become a tool for politicians and lobbyists to rally up people And unfortunately, people fall into the trap all the time.

Masks, social distancing, vaccines, … it’s all limiting someone‘s freedom. But can I go to the store driving on the left side of the road without wearing a seatbelt or pants? No. that’s the consequence of living in a society.

If someone had the chance to get vaccinated (for free!), and ends up needing medical care for COVID, they should wait at the end of the line and pay everything out of pocket. And refusing them in a store or bar is well within the rights of society to protect its citizens.


We’re not talking about seatbelts or pants though....

We’re talking about a vaccine that Trump heavily leaned on the FDA and pharm companies to produce in record time so it would be ready by the election. This should raise all sorts of questions about it. But instead people want to simply shut down question and dissent with shame or force.

We went from a country where it was supposedly good and smart to question everything, to one that believes itself to be smart for questioning nothing. The virus in question is highly survivable, and won’t be around forever. Please think in the longer term than immediate convenience. Being against individual liberties and choice is de facto pro-authoritarianism. I don’t think that is what we are about.
 
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Why are you bringing up guns, gays, and abortion? Canadians don’t even have the freedom of speech. However, based on this post, it doesn’t seem like they deserve it.

How would you feel about forced vaccinations by your federal government? I kind of think it is a good idea if the concept of individual freedom is abandoned.

Your post show how shallow your worldview is. Not only Canada is more free than US, but also we are happier than folks down the south of our border.

Vaccine mandated has been implemented long before COVID. In Ontario at least, elementary and high school requires proof of vaccine before you can register for school.

I am fully on board vaccine mandate. It will bring us out of this pandemic.

I also need to tell you, Freedom and Liberty doesn’t mean you can do whatever you want and say whatever you wish. Even if whatever you say doesn’t against law, but it doesn’t mean you won’t face any consequences. We are all bonds by rules and limited by society.
 
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