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Apple to Require COVID Testing for Employees Starting Next Month, Still No Vaccine Mandate
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Our borders are dumb.😒
The US is not an island. You do realise we are living in an international society and other countries have co-developed these vaccines and/or came up with their own? That these vaccines have been tested and distributed worldwide? So Trumps re-election does not have anything to do with it these days.
Either we live from lockdown to lockdown, killing hundreds of thousands of people and the economy, or we each take responsibility, take the vaccine and resume our lives.
In my country we chose the latter. Nobody got killed from the vaccine, masks are no longer a thing and the economy is opening up.
unfortunately there’s no middle ground. The longer we wait, the higher the risk a mutation will come around that evades the current vaccines.
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It does not help and can actually kill you
While you would never know it from listening to public-health officials, not a single published study has demonstrated that patients with a prior infection benefit from Covid-19 vaccination. That this isn’t readily acknowledged by the CDC or Anthony Fauci is an indication of how deeply entangled pandemic politics is in science," they say
I never said I didn’t think the whole response had not been politicized.
I also didn’t say 76% vaccinated, I said 76% had at least one dose.
My point being, the OP went down the “Trump vaccine” road, which I think is specious. The same people who said they wouldn’t take the “Trump vaccine” until it was reviewed by experts outside the US (Biden and Harris) are the same ones pushing people to get it now.
So either they’re all in cahoots with each other, including the people working at Pfizer and Moderna, and J&J, the CDC, and all the hundreds of thousands of people involved in the initial studies.
Or, ya know. Maybe it works pretty good and all that.
There’s a point where we cross over from disagreement and discussion to Alex Jones territory where there’s a disconnect from reality. Where paranoia and an inability to deal with what’s going on converge and people go off the deep end.
I mean, some people still think 5G gives people the ‘Rona. Someplace I guess. A co worker of mine believed it. He’s still a flat earther and all.
Lets face it. A lot of people are taking medications that have been tested on fewer people than the current slate of vaccines. Most people couldn’t name 90% of the ingredients that were in what they at for breakfast this morning, but they’re not getting the vaccine because they need to “do more research”.
Just admit you don’t want it. Don’t give a nonsense reason. Just own up to not wanting it. But that would mean admitting to themselves they’re something they don’t want to be. So there they stand with their fig leaf. Looking rather foolish while we all know the real reason.
Just admit you don’t want it. Don’t make excuses, just say you don’t want it and he done with it. Don’t get it…
Natural COVID infection provides similar protection to vaccines, Israeli study shows
Studies show people who contract COVID-19 are strongly protected against reinfection. An Israeli study published in April shows people who got the natural infection have similar— and, by some metrics, slightly higher— immune protection than those who got the vaccine. Other studies suggest...
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If it’s a “personal choice” then that edge cuts both ways — willfully unvaccinated people should be turned away from ICUs when you get sick so my mother (a cancer patient who is fully vaxxed) doesn’t die in the waiting room because someone who was socially irresponsible, oh, I’m sorry, I mean because someone “exercising their personal choice” didn’t get vaccinated.
There are plenty of independent metrics that illustrate many countries have higher levels of freedom than the US.
Vaccines are not mandatory in the US, Canada, Europe, … because it would backfire. The alternative is make the lives of non-vaccinated people as hard as possible. So they will get the shot. As it should be.
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Citation to shows this is not some random occurrence but is reproducible.
Do studies show that patients don't benefit? Or is it nobody really knows...except vaccines help and people get covid twice.
I'm sure the CDC has a blurb about covid patients getting a vaccination.
The non-peer reviewed study you shared concludes with this: "Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant."Natural COVID infection provides similar protection to vaccines, Israeli study shows
Studies show people who contract COVID-19 are strongly protected against reinfection. An Israeli study published in April shows people who got the natural infection have similar— and, by some metrics, slightly higher— immune protection than those who got the vaccine. Other studies suggest...
in other words, it won’t “kill you” to get an extra dose and that adds extra protection against delta. Plenty of studies out there. Some agree with the Israel study, some don’t—but bottom line is: why would you risk sickness, long haul covid or even death when you can get vaccinated right from ithe beginning? Makes no sense.
He shared a study that debunks his statement. The extra shot is fine according to the Israel study.
Of course it is acknowledged natural immunity is a thing. But data does indicate it’s less durable. There are cases of people that got infected a second time and got more sick.
Things evolve, the virus evolves, science evolves,… so maybe our perspective will change as well.
But the reality is we can’t wait until everybody has natural immunity. Then we’d be stuck with COVID for many years to come.
BTW: the risk of getting infected and dying is higher than the risk of getting vaccinated and dying.
As ever the ONS in the UK is running the numbers and has a very good rep.
They are good with making data available and back up research is referenced.
It is a mobile area and stuff will change.
They are good with making data available and back up research is referenced.
It is a mobile area and stuff will change.
I think this is one of those issues where you look at humanity as a whole. Are we “United” to WIN together at a macro perspective, or are we going to bicker about anecdotes at a micro level?
IMO, I think you win these battles of attrition approaching problems with the bigger picture in mind.
Not being allowed to drive on the other side of the road is also tyranny, right?
Get the vaccine and save yourself from a potentially debilitating and even lethal infection. It's not difficult to understand, and it's telling that everybody seems to get this when it comes to other debilitating viruses like measles and polio. If you're a Trump supporter, take his advice (never thought I'd say that): GET THE SHOT.
I suspect that the root cause of ignoring the group of Covid survivors as “immune” has to do with how many false positives the testing generates.
Measles and polio are not present in modern societies. It doesn’t make much sense to vaccinate for those.
It does make sense to vaccinate against Covid 19 however
I actually agree with this 100%, but still have reservations due to what it will look like to go back to normal once we accomplish this.
The reality is that humanity won’t be able to save itself from itself, and only the strong and resourceful will survive. I don’t think it will be worth trying to save the dumb at this point, and see little reason to force them along if they won’t vaccinate if their genetics alone won’t see them through the pandemic.! If this is the case, it makes sense to then allow nations choosing this path to remain strong based on unrestricted output of a mixed vaccinated and unvaccinated population
I doubt a company with a huge legal team like Apple would want to mandate vaccinations, simply because of the potential litigations. When a company mandates something for an employee to take/use, if something bad happen (no matter how unlikely), the company can be liable, especially if what happen can make the employee disabled or have some permanent issue. It's a simple risk vs benefit analysis, and looks like it's Too huge of a risk for a big company like Apple.
Remember that we are talking about Apple. Anything that Apple does is only for one thing, maximize shareholders' value. In this case, looks like Apple see the risk is too great for their shareholders.
There might be a time when Apple sees the risk is low enough, and the money they make from having vaccinated employees outweigh the risks. When that happens, you can see a change in policy. Until then, I'm not surprised at Apple's current stance.
No politics here, simple risk vs benefit for Apple's bottom line.
Remember that we are talking about Apple. Anything that Apple does is only for one thing, maximize shareholders' value. In this case, looks like Apple see the risk is too great for their shareholders.
There might be a time when Apple sees the risk is low enough, and the money they make from having vaccinated employees outweigh the risks. When that happens, you can see a change in policy. Until then, I'm not surprised at Apple's current stance.
No politics here, simple risk vs benefit for Apple's bottom line.
We would still be waiting for the vaccine if it wasn’t for Trump regardless of his motivation.
Mutations are generally weaker.
Larger companies with more complex employee footprints have done it. It’s not a big deal to implement.
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