Apple to Require COVID Testing for Employees Starting Next Month, Still No Vaccine Mandate

[DanTSX]

You should wake up.

Canada scores higher than the US on the worldwide personal freedom index. And way higher on the freedom of press Index. Like many other countries do. Keep believing your fantasies about your freedomz.

You also do realise mandatory vaccinations do exist in the US? They have been for over a 100 years.

Wake up to what? Canadians do not have enumerated freedoms of speech. I don’t know who is doing the scoring. But perhaps you should wake up and question that metric.

Vaccines are not mandatory in the USA.

What is it with Canadians and their constant projection of issues on the USA?

 

[scjr]

Why vaccinate people who have recovered from COVID?

Because people who recovered from Covid are more likely to be infected, than when you’re fully vaccinated. A third of Covid infections produce zero antibodies. It’s been studied by scientists and doctors. Not by Facebook scientists and doctors, but real ones.

This is exactly why we listen to people who have no agenda and who have extensive schooling and are educated about these matters. They follow the science. I don‘t understand why someone who’s been infected wouldn’t want at least 1 shot to boost their immunity against this horrible disease, but that’s where we are.

COVID-19: Disease-induced (natural) immunity, vaccination or hybrid immunity?

If you’ve had COVID-19 before, does your natural immunity work better than a vaccine?

www.nebraskamed.com

A third of infections don't get any protective antibodies​

Some people who get COVID-19 receive no protection from reinfection – their natural immunity is nonexistent. A recent study found that 36% of COVID-19 cases didn't result in development of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies. The people had different levels of illness – most had moderate disease, but some were asymptomatic and some experienced severe COVID-19.

"Vaccine-induced immunity is more predictable than natural immunity," says Dr. Rupp. The COVID-19 vaccines provide great protection from severe disease, hospitalization and death.

 

[DanTSX]

Your post show how shallow your worldview is. Not only Canada is more free than US, but also we are happier than folks down the south of our border.

Vaccine mandated has been implemented long before COVID. In Ontario at least, elementary and high school requires proof of vaccine before you can register for school.

I am fully on board vaccine mandate. It will bring us out of this pandemic.

I also need to tell you, Freedom and Liberty doesn’t mean you can do whatever you want and say whatever you wish. Even if whatever you say doesn’t against law, but it doesn’t mean you won’t face any consequences. We are all bonds by rules and limited by society.

It is not shallow at all. But the insult is consistent with many replies from Canadians with a chip on their shoulder about the USA.🙄. We’re not all backwards, undereducated bogans that never have left the country.....

How is Canada more “free” than the USA? I lived and worked there for two years. I never felt that it was a restrictive society, but there certainly were indicators of federal overstep into areas that I normally took for granted.

In fact I can say whatever I wish in the USA. I’m doing it now. But your post indicates you only have a superficial understanding of our first amendment rights. It’s not all about “my” speech. It is about much more than that.

Were you born in Canada? In my experience there, those born in Canada (and USA for that matter) have a different appreciation of rights than new arrivals.

 

[tridley68]

Just wondering if the shot is so GREAT for everyone then how come fully vaccinated folks are still dying from covid.

 

[DanTSX]

Just wondering if the shot is so GREAT for everyone then how come fully vaccinated folks are still dying from covid.

The unvaccinated people, duh.

 

[DanTSX]

Your post show how shallow your worldview is. Not only Canada is more free than US, but also we are happier than folks down the south of our border.

Vaccine mandated has been implemented long before COVID. In Ontario at least, elementary and high school requires proof of vaccine before you can register for school.

I am fully on board vaccine mandate. It will bring us out of this pandemic.

I also need to tell you, Freedom and Liberty doesn’t mean you can do whatever you want and say whatever you wish. Even if whatever you say doesn’t against law, but it doesn’t mean you won’t face any consequences. We are all bonds by rules and limited by society.

Hey can you translate/explain your avatar? I’m Asian but I don’t read the language lol.

 

[seadragon]

Just wondering if the shot is so GREAT for everyone then how come fully vaccinated folks are still dying from covid.

Who said there would be zero deaths? It’s all about reduction.

 

[seadragon]

How is Canada more “free” than the USA?

We can easily vacation in Cuba for one thing. 😉

 

[DanTSX]

Who said there would be zero deaths? It’s all about reduction.

That would indicate that the vaccine is not working as well as intended.

I think that intelligent people are used to start questioning things that do not work as intended.

 

[scjr]

Just wondering if the shot is so GREAT for everyone then how come fully vaccinated folks are still dying from covid.

No need to wonder.

Unvaccinated individuals are becoming infected and dying at a much higher rate than vaccinated. This was true before and after the Delta variant. Vaccines aren’t 100%. They never have been. What these vaccines do is keep you out of the hospital and protect you from being dead. It’s a poor argument you’re making here.

90% and more in hospitals are unvaccinated and on ventilators that percentage goes even higher. I have folks in my family that make this argument you’re making and they will never get vaccinated. I know it’s only a matter of time for them, but I hope everyday they don’t get this disease. Many are elderly and with pre-existing conditions.

 

[DanTSX]

We can easily vacation in Cuba for one thing. 😉

🤣😂🤣
There is a Maggie joke in there somewhere.

US/Cuba travel isn’t difficult if backwards communist relics are your thing. Though Trump did undo some of the progress Obama admin had made there. I’ll stick to the VI.

 

[I7guy]

That would indicate that the vaccine is not working as well as intended.

An analogy: People die from cancer after receiving chemotherapy treatments. Does that mean chemotherapy is not working as well as intended? What is the definition of "as well"? When it came to the covid vaccinations, where was "as well" defined? I don't ever recall it being zero, as in all or nothing.

I think that intelligent people are used to start questioning things that do not work as intended.

What does this mean. Because people die in car accidents with seat belts should we question if they are not working as intended??

 

[neliason]

What is surprising to me. 10 years ago, all the left leaning people I knew were constantly criticizing „big Pharma“ and their money making schemes. Now suddenly big Pharma is their best friend and they want everyone to get vaccinated asap.

People have their opinion assigned to them. The news is the primary means. I have enjoyed watching people’s opinions change throughout this pandemic. I can tell that it is the weight of the current propaganda. Very few people are worth talking to about the pandemic because most people are just regurgitating what they are sure is the truth.

 

[DanTSX]

An analogy: People die from cancer after receiving chemotherapy treatments. Does that mean chemotherapy is not working as well as intended? What is the definition of "as well"? When it came to the covid vaccinations, where was "as well" defined? I don't ever recall it being zero, as in all or nothing.

What does this mean. Because people die in car accidents with seat belts should we question if they are not working as intended??

We’re not talking about chemo or seatbelts here.....


We’re talking about a politically rushed vaccine in a world where science is only proving bits and pieces of the puzzle.

 

[scjr]

We’re talking about a politically rushed vaccine in a world where science is only proving bits and pieces of the puzzle.

His analogy is correct.

Science and hospital statistics don’t lie. Your argument is political, not based in science and current hospital statistics. Most likely nothing will change what you believe, but the data is there that prove the vaccines work.

 

[IIGS User]

We’re not talking about chemo or seatbelts here.....


We’re talking about a politically rushed vaccine in a world where science is only proving bits and pieces of the puzzle.

Dude, the “warghl barghle Trump vaccine” boat sailed about 6 months ago.

76% of the adult US population has had at least one dose of it. Get over your fixation on Trump.

 

[DanTSX]

People have their opinion assigned to them. The news is the primary means. I have enjoyed watching people’s opinions change throughout this pandemic. I can tell that it is the weight of the current propaganda. Very few people are worth talking to about the pandemic because most people are just regurgitating what they are sure is the truth.

This is true. It has been fun watching people go from the opinion that worrying about coronavirus was racist (late 2019) to masks don’t work (early 2020) to 3 masks should be mandatory (mid 2020) to the vaccine will kill because it’s a trump vaccine (late 2020) to the vaccine will allow us to go maskless (early 2021) to vaccines should be mandatory in the present.


The other side of the argument has some intellectual doozies and logical fallacies as well, but it’s not like they put their faith entirely in the word of an unelected politician that hasn’t seen a patient in 40 years, and spends all day in television and YouTube interviews to the point that it can be surmised that little time is left do his actual job, but that’s ok because he is old , white, and wears a lab coat.

Yes I used the term faith intentionally, and I am talking specifically about the politician Dr. Fauci.

 

[DanTSX]

Dude, the “warghl barghle Trump vaccine” boat sailed about 6 months ago.

76% of the adult US population has had at least one dose of it. Get over your fixation on Trump.

76% vaccinated?

Then what are we worried about? 76% is above the thresholds CDC assured us that this would remain an issue.

Do you disagree that the entire response since day 1 hasn’t been politicized?

 

[5105973]

Are you saying any country that has vaccine passport are some short of country that does respect rights and freedom?

In fact, these vaccine passport will help increase vaccine rate.

I never will understand the logic behind American’s so called Freedom and liberty. You rather have people dying due to COVID and daily 10K plus new cases, but won’t implement some short of mandatory vaccine. You rather have #1 gun murder rate, than restrict gun. But in turn, in some area of the country, they have no problem restricting abortion and LGBT right.

I am up here in Canada. I seen how crazy these anti-vaxxer. They have no respect to other people, they have no respect to law and public health. They went to attack anyone who doesn’t agree with them. They even go physical attack to our Prime Minister.

I am sorry, I have no respect to these anti-masker and anti-vaxxer. They don’t deserve liberty and freedom.

First off, “they” are not a homogeneous monolith of thought or action. People are vaccine hesitant and wary of mask mandates for many reasons and express themselves differently. Some are indeed very extreme, as you’ve noted. But others are more measured and reasonable. You just don’t see and hear from them because they don’t go screaming into the streets or YT videos.

Secondly, what on earth does my post have to do with gun control and abortions and LGBTQ? FWIW I’m a former Republican and the last few years am a registered Democrat and lean a bit liberal. I’m also the daughter of an immigrant married to the son of immigrants, and through their stories know what it means when countries start down that slippery slope of controlling every aspect of your movement and actions “for the greater good.” So even though I’m for some gun control and all in for LBGTQ rights, I can understand people on the other side of the political spectrum “carrying on” about their freedoms.

I don’t agree with some of the reasoning behind vaccine resistance and completely don’t understand the opposition to mask mandates this time. I don’t like it when people become violent and intimidating about it. But I understand their fears and appreciate that they are keeping us balanced away from a totalitarian system. So in essence I disagree with what they say, but I support their right to say it.

The two party system that we’ve had for so long used to function to help us strike a balance between extremes in thought that we could all live with. But we’ve lost mutual respect, we’ve lost the understanding of what it means to have constructive discussion to solve our problems. Instead, extremely vocal extremists on both sides seem to have dug in their heels and insist on their way or complete and forceful silencing of the other side. That is not representative of the country immigrants in my family came to seek refuge and build a better life in.

I must make note that this particular matter isn’t entirely a division along party lines or even liberal vs conservative. I have very liberal Democrat friends who have deep reservations about the safety of the vaccines and the efficacy of mask mandates. They’re very vocal about preserving their right to at least protest being forced to take something into their bodies or their children’s bodies that they don’t trust. I disagree with them but I value their right to their thoughts. They understand that I feel differently. So far we’ve been able to avoid thinking one another “bad people” who need to be forcibly silenced. Instead, we try to work out ways we think we can interact safely via video and outdoor activities and regular testing.

 

[BreakingKayfabe]

I feel like this thread has turned into us vs these guys

 

[DanTSX]

No, there’s no joke there. We can just as easily book a vacation in Cuba as we can in Florida. Land Of The Free citizens have restrictions.

Then why may I not presently visit Canada?

The joke is that Fidel is Justin’s Pops.

 

[DanTSX]

I feel like this thread has turned into us vs these guys
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Canada’s first family!

where is Teddy? He always struck me as the”smart” one

 

[seadragon]

Then why may I not presently visit Canada?

The joke is that Fidel is Justin’s Pops.

You can if you’re vaccinated. Come on over! Ironically, the US land border is currently closed to Canadians, but we can fly there. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[BreakingKayfabe]

Canada’s first family!

where is Teddy? He always struck me as the”smart” one

Ha! The entire Hart family are a complicated bunch, aren’t they?

 

[Shirasaki]

Hey can you translate/explain your avatar? I’m Asian but I don’t read the language lol.

That avatar is a ceremony bs celebrating CCP 100th “birthday”.