Apple to Require COVID Testing for Employees Starting Next Month, Still No Vaccine Mandate

[doelcm82]

That’s flat out wrong. A weaker virus that is more contagious while causing less or no symptoms will spread faster and potentially become the dominant strain. A strong virus that kills its host will die out faster.

Sure, but I was thinking of stronger in terms of being able to reproduce itself. That’s all the virus cares about (with the understanding that viruses don’t actually care about anything).

What we currently are experiencing is a variation that is more contagious, and just as harmful to the people it infects.

 

[wigby]

Why would you expect this or any virus to stop mutating, to stop evolving. Evolutionary mutation is a hallmark of virtually every simple or complex life form on earth. All life mutates to survive. The process of gamete base procreation itself is a mutation process whereby the independent roll of the dice by two individuals results in an always unique third individual.

Where did you get that from? There are some viruses that can be eradicated and some we will continue to live with for possibly hundreds of years more. We have an obligation to minimize the spread and eventual mutation of any dangerous virus.

 

[ian87w]

Some points:
- companies in NYC are already mandating vaccinations and attestations for employees (seems like these companies are protected by law)
- apple isn’t the only publicly traded for profit company that seeks to maximize revenue. But the way these companies maximize revenue is to produce products and services that customers want to buy
- there is no simple risk vs benefit. Every company has to be careful such that with return to office situations people don’t get sick and shutter departments and services. There is nothing simple about this.

However it might be that you think, in the end, Apple decided no mandate. That means for Apple, there's either higher risk or less benefit (or both) for the company's bottom line. If that risk analysis changes, I'm sure the policy will change, as simple as that.

 

[Phantom iCloud tabs]

I'm sure Apple will be mandating the vaccine by the end of the year. Like always, they are waiting for the technology to become generalized before adopting it.

 

[clueless88]

It seems that there is pretzel logic with the vaccine. It is said that we all need to get the vaccine since the unvaccinated people put the vaccinated folks at risk since they could pass the covid virus to the vaccinated. It has also been noted that fully vaccinated people can transmit the virus to other people, both vaccinated and unvaccinated.

It has also been noted that fully vaccinated people can be taken ill by the covid vaccine.

Studies like the one from Israel point out that people who have natural immunity to covid (either by having symptomatic as well as ASYMPTOMATIC exposure) have a greater immune response to covid than those who received the covid vaccine. That would make sense, since all of the COVID vaccines induce an immune response to just the spike proteins of the covid virus. The human body clearly is more efficient in that it will most likely create both T cell and B cell (b's make antibodies, t lymphocytes do direct elimination of offenders) responses to more than just the spike proteins.

The despised monoclonal antibodies as well as that despicable ivermectin are being shown to be effective in TREATMENT of covid infections. The FDA can only issue emergency use authorization for the various covid vaccines if no treatment modality existed for covid. Clearly the FDA chose to overlook that and did not allow for the typical time for medical community feedback as it has for every other medication and fast-tracked approval for the vaccines AFTER the November presidential election.

This does not pass the smell test. I don't think the world's health is the primary driver in this.

 

[DanTSX]

Please stop with that ********. Trump is the reason we are in this whole ****ing mess. Him and sycophant lackeys. Everything from flat out denial of the seriousness of this virus causing hundreds of thousands to die, to blatent race baiting, to dismantling the viral studies Obama put into place. Had we a President who didn't suggest injecting us with bleach, taking asinine unapproved snake oil (hydroxichloriquine) & horse dewormer we wouldn't be in as bad a place as we are now.

Bleach? Trump causes the pandemic?😂🤣

He tried closing borders while political opponents were promoting hugging in superspreader events to show how inclusive they were.

The “bleach” and light comments were actually due to being briefed on leading edge therapies using an antiseptic lung flush and a UV therapy using fiber optics inserted into the lungs. It’s actual science. But you wouldn’t know this getting your science from CNN…

 

[I7guy]

However it might be that you think, in the end, Apple decided no mandate. That means for Apple, there's either higher risk or less benefit (or both) for the company's bottom line. If that risk analysis changes, I'm sure the policy will change, as simple as that.

However you may think, this is not simple. Apple motivation is collaborative, not financial. They are following guidelines not doing a risk analysis. Not as simple as made out to be.

Nothing like two internet opinions. It’s simple…no it’s not.

 

[George Dawes]

It was originally called an mRNA gene therapy with unknown long term side effects , google it

 

[DanTSX]

I'm sure Apple will be mandating the vaccine by the end of the year. Like always, they are waiting for the technology to become generalized before adopting it.

How do you know this? Or just guessing?

 

[Phantom iCloud tabs]

How do you know this? Or just guessing?

Just guessing. But I think it's likely.

 

[CarlJ]

That's good. Employers shouldn't be allowed to demand knowledge of medical history, no "but"s.

It’s not about medical history, it’s about vaccination status. There are a variety of
jobs where proof of vaccination history is a requirement for getting the job — and I’m not talking about COVID vaccinations. This has been the case for decades. It’s not something new. Try becoming a teacher sometime. They’re required to submit proof of a variety of vaccinations because they’re going to be around a lot of people who could get sick. This is entirely reasonable, and, again, has been accepted practice basically forever. The COVID-19 vaccination is simply one more on top of the pile.

 

[supercoolmanchu]

Where did you get that from? There are some viruses that can be eradicated and some we will continue to live with for possibly hundreds of years more. We have an obligation to minimize the spread and eventual mutation of any dangerous virus.

You're awfully judgy about others, while lacking any real clue about what you are talking about.

Don't take it personally, nobody does, people like Dr. Fauci don't either, but they are shielding you from known virology shortcomings and uncertainties, and filling your head with promises they have no ability to keep and declaring certainties where none exist.

The ability to eradicate viruses, does not exist.

There is very little mastery, if any, over viruses by humans.

Observation, basic identification, is in its infancy, and is highly unreliable.

Without knowing jack **** besides regurgitating the low value information being hyped by your TV and popular websites, pissing off your friends, family, neighbors and coworkers with irrational fear and persecution, is probably not a winning long term strategy.

The only thing you have is faith, aka superstition, which is useless as both a diagnostic and scientific tool, and will continue to be for "hundreds of years more".

 

[CarlJ]

Unfortunately we're getting the worst of both worlds because people have the freedom to refuse the vaccine but are constantly being threatened for it, making them not trust it. If it's part of the either major party's platform (Dem), that's a surefire way to ensure a large number of people avoid the shot.

Avoiding the vaccine is already a strong part of one party’s informal platform, and thats the biggest roadblock holding back the US from getting to the point where nearly everyone is vaccinated. It was politicized by the previous administration.

 

[Naraxus]

Bleach? Trump causes the pandemic?😂🤣

He tried closing borders while political opponents were promoting hugging in superspreader events to show how inclusive they were.

The “bleach” and light comments were actually due to being briefed on leading edge therapies using an antiseptic lung flush and a UV therapy using fiber optics inserted into the lungs. It’s actual science. But you wouldn’t know this getting your science from CNN…

Nice excuses for Trump & his minion's stupidity. It's nowhere near actual science.

Actual science is listening to the overwhelming concensus of doctors & nurses and getting a vaccine. Actual science is wearing a mask and staying six feet apart.

You know, PROVEN things that work and not snake oil ********.

Oh, and I don't watch CNN but nice try with that one.

 

[Jmausmuc]

Yes. The unvaccinated selfishly clog up our healthcare system with COVID, risking the health of others who need care.

They also put people who can't get vaccinated at risk.

They also put the vaccinated at small risk, since nothing is 100%.

So when will the mandatory gym sessions, salat lunches and anti addiction seminars start?
Maybe obese people should be restricted from going to McDonald’s? Lockdown for smokers?

 

[Jmausmuc]

Avoiding the vaccine is already a strong part of one party’s informal platform, and thats the biggest roadblock holding back the US from getting to the point where nearly everyone is vaccinated. It was politicized by the previous administration.

Trunp is the one who ordered the vax, has publicly stated that he has received the vax and just recently called on his supporters to get vaxed in an interview.

The ones who are politicizing it are the current administration who seem unable to understand that by forcing the vaccine on everyone they are actually increasing the resistance against it.

 

[IllinoisCorn]

Oh wow! Just get the vaccine and save your and others life.

At this rate, I don’t see Apple employees going back to work inside the campus anytime soon.

These unvaccinated employees are expecting what in return to get vaccinated… a free iPhone 13 Pro/Pro max or what?

Why are the vaccinated afraid of the unvaccinated? Breakthrough cases are rare and the worst result seems to be the flu or less if you're vaccinated.

So again, why does anyone care about the people who don't get vaccinated? They're not a threat to me.

 

[Deliro]

Avoiding the vaccine is already a strong part of one party’s informal platform, and thats the biggest roadblock holding back the US from getting to the point where nearly everyone is vaccinated. It was politicized by the previous administration.

Go back and to clips of prominent members of the left showing apprehension to taking it. Harris has a few sound clips. Something about the Trump vaccine. Now that the parties have switched power they sing it’s praises. So if anyone made it political it was the Democrats. The majority of Republicans support the vaccine as well. Their issue are the mandates.

I often muse to myself if Trump had won would the Democrats be antivax?

Btw, im neither. Elements in both parties have gotten way too extreme. Making the vax a political issue and dividing us further is the height of lunacy.

 

[siddavis]

Avoiding the vaccine is already a strong part of one party’s informal platform, and thats the biggest roadblock holding back the US from getting to the point where nearly everyone is vaccinated. It was politicized by the previous administration.

No, the previous administration did everything they could to assist with the development. The opposition running for election politicized it.

Also, those avoiding it span party lines.

 

[A MacBook lover]

This thread makes me happy. No mandate from apple. The entire tone of the comments has shifted, to allow people to have the CHOICE of what they put in there body. As evidenced by the most liked comment.


And I cases you missed it, here’s 75+ scientific studies that back hesitation to this vaccine

Also watch this FDA panel below, released today. Very eye opening.
There were multiple doctors questioning the original trial, the vaccine safety profile, vaccinated having higher rates of infection, etc….. everything we’ve seen documented and everything people called us a “conspiracy theorist over”.

I would encourage everyone interested to watch this, there is quite a bit of information, much of it we know but it was interesting to to hear it said publicly. Also, many of the participants seemed downright angry, like scolding the FDA for all manner of fu$$ery.

If any news agency reported on this, public opinion would change overnight.

https://www.fda.gov/advisory-commit...7-2021-meeting-announcement#event-information​

 

[Chaos215bar2]

Never knew Mac Rumors was full of medical experts.

My god, this thread is a dumpster fire. I’d try to say something insightful, but I know it won’t make one iota of a difference towards those (knowingly or not) spreading outright misinformation here, for lack of education, empathy, or both.

I knew it was a mistake to even open this thread. And, sadly, I was right.

 

[scaramoosh]

We cannot continue to live like this, it's a virus with an average age of death of 81 for men and 85 for women according to ONS in the UK. PCR is extremely unreliable, it doesn't tell you if the person is infected or not, it also doesn't tell you if someone has had it and recovered or not. All deaths are also based on dying with 28 days of a PCR test, and autopsies
aren't happening, they're based on if the nurse thinks Covid killed you.

There are many other coronaviruses out there, that we believe have been around for thousands of years. They cause flus and common colds and lots of elderly die of them every year. If we tested for them like we do Covid 19, the numbers of deaths would probably be even higher.

The whole thing is mass hysteria based on what happened in China, which was only shocking because of how the government handled it. Well now our governments are doing the same thing and we're giving up our freedoms :/ I do not understand how everyone is welcoming of it like 1984. Covid 19 isn't even a virus that kills obese people, a third of us are obese and a third aren't dying. It's mainly old people who are beyond life expectancy and they happen to be obese because old people generally are.

 

[hagar]

It seems that there is pretzel logic with the vaccine. It is said that we all need to get the vaccine since the unvaccinated people put the vaccinated folks at risk since they could pass the covid virus to the vaccinated. It has also been noted that fully vaccinated people can transmit the virus to other people, both vaccinated and unvaccinated.

It has also been noted that fully vaccinated people can be taken ill by the covid vaccine.

Studies like the one from Israel point out that people who have natural immunity to covid (either by having symptomatic as well as ASYMPTOMATIC exposure) have a greater immune response to covid than those who received the covid vaccine. That would make sense, since all of the COVID vaccines induce an immune response to just the spike proteins of the covid virus. The human body clearly is more efficient in that it will most likely create both T cell and B cell (b's make antibodies, t lymphocytes do direct elimination of offenders) responses to more than just the spike proteins.

The despised monoclonal antibodies as well as that despicable ivermectin are being shown to be effective in TREATMENT of covid infections. The FDA can only issue emergency use authorization for the various covid vaccines if no treatment modality existed for covid. Clearly the FDA chose to overlook that and did not allow for the typical time for medical community feedback as it has for every other medication and fast-tracked approval for the vaccines AFTER the November presidential election.

This does not pass the smell test. I don't think the world's health is the primary driver in this.

What the global community has achieved here (preventing millions of people from dying, developing and producing working vaccines in a short time span, getting those shots in the arms of people around the world for free by hundreds of thousands of volunteers…) is amazing and should be a celebration of human accomplishment.

If you’re lucky enough to live in a country where you can get vaccinated (on the condition there’s no medical reason for you not to do it), you should take it. So you, and the world, can get on with your lives. There are many people who don’t even get the chance to be vaccinated. Meanwhile, millions of doses expire and are thrown out.

What COVID has caused for all of us is horrible. But it might be peanuts compared to what’s coming next. We have bigger things to worry about like climate change. The sooner we can leave COVID behind us, the better.

 

[400]

We cannot continue to live like this, it's a virus with an average age of death of 81 for men and 85 for women according to ONS in the UK. PCR is extremely unreliable, it doesn't tell you if the person is infected or not, it also doesn't tell you if someone has had it and recovered or not. All deaths are also based on dying with 28 days of a PCR test, and autopsies
aren't happening, they're based on if the nurse thinks Covid killed you.

There are many other coronaviruses out there, that we believe have been around for thousands of years. They cause flus and common colds and lots of elderly die of them every year. If we tested for them like we do Covid 19, the numbers of deaths would probably be even higher.

The whole thing is mass hysteria based on what happened in China, which was only shocking because of how the government handled it. Well now our governments are doing the same thing and we're giving up our freedoms :/ I do not understand how everyone is welcoming of it like 1984. Covid 19 isn't even a virus that kills obese people, a third of us are obese and a third aren't dying. It's mainly old people who are beyond life expectancy and they happen to be obese because old people generally are.

ONS also reports on a lot of other things regarding covid and they do it well and it is far deeper than just the age groups, the impact is known and far reaching, we have that in black and white now, this far in. I have heard people that use the PCR test have no complaints with it relating to professionalls via blogs and commentary, doctors and nurses dealing with this). It is a known quantity, the errors are understood. But you cannot get around the UK government messing it up, that much is true.

Regarding nurses and death certificates, doctors have to sign off and counter sign. They are most likely to have been treating the poor souls that passed away, as were the nurses and knew what they were treating. Falsifying a death certificate carries huge consequences usually delivered via courts for the dr.

ONS latest on deaths

Coronavirus (COVID-19) latest insights - Office for National Statistics

www.ons.gov.uk

 

[iPadified]

Never knew Mac Rumors was full of medical experts.

My god, this thread is a dumpster fire. I’d try to say something insightful, but I know it won’t make one iota of a difference towards those (knowingly or not) spreading outright misinformation here, for lack of education, empathy, or both.

I knew it was a mistake to even open this thread. And, sadly, I was right.

As someone having a PhD in virology and are working with various tests, I get downright frightened about education level. Everyone has a right to have opinion about mass vaccination. However, the arguments on both sides of the fence are full of holes. "Not passed" says the teacher in me about the scientific arguments.