Apple to Require COVID Testing for Employees Starting Next Month, Still No Vaccine Mandate

[wigby]

No, you are misunderstanding the situation entirely. It is not about selfishness at all. It is about bodily autonomy & NOT letting governments take more control.

They are USING THE FEAR YOU HAVE AGAINST YOU. You need to stop and accept that some people might die from this virus, it is going to be sad, that should not stop you from protecting your freedoms. Only a fool trades their most valuable right for "temporary safety". Once they see you are the fool who will make that trade, it wont be long before they exploit you again. and again. And again. The fight is best fought in the first ditch. Trust me on this one.

You sacrifice your basic freedoms everyday to help others and function in society too. You just don't realize it because you are the one who is scared of taking a vaccine or slippery slopes or whatever excuse you want to use in this case.

Most people that took the vaccine just want to keep ICUs open for patients, keep the virus from spreading and mutating further, want to travel freely, want to stop wearing masks and want to not have to worry as much about covid in general. Some of them are afraid because it is a global pandemic after all. Everyone I know has lost someone to covid so it's not as if the statistics aren't real.

I'm not afraid of the virus or vaccine mandates because I agree wit the science and I believe it can help others but that doesn't mean I would do anything the government says. For instance, I would do anything to dodge a draft to war because I'm not going to kill in the name of my country. That's true autonomy over my own body and choices.

 

[A MacBook lover]

January 6th would like to have a word with you.. And of course they are going to boo him after he pushed not getting the vaccine for months (and this is coming from someone who voted for him). He could have easily won re-election if he kept his mouth and ego in check.

Yeah,


A bunch of nitwits not bringing guns, entering a federal building, breaking a few items, yelling at the ceiling in costume, and posing for pictures in the Speaker's chair represents the most violent, treasonous, coup ever perpetrated.

Then it ended with an unarmed protestor being shot and killed, everyone involved going home, and Biden being inaugurated right on time.

Seriously? lousiest insurrection in world history.

Any who, I’m glad public opinion is shifting toward supporting health choices. And I’m glad apple went the way they are going. But the anti-choice crowd on Macrumors will try hard to rationalize their authoritarian tone.

 

[ipponrg]

Then it ended with an unarmed protestor being shot and killed, everyone involved going home, and Biden being inaugurated right on time.

Seriously? lousiest insurrection in world history.

You have also left out the 4 others that died during this lousy insurrection, 4 officers that committed suicide, at least 138 officers injured, at least 638 protestors charged with a federal crime, and made other nations question democracy.

The one thing to realize is that in the US it seems pretty mediocre, but I think it impacts the world much more than you think

 

[seadragon]

Yeah,


A bunch of nitwits not bringing guns, entering a federal building, breaking a few items, yelling at the ceiling in costume, and posing for pictures in the Speaker's chair represents the most violent, treasonous, coup ever perpetrated.

Then it ended with an unarmed protestor being shot and killed, everyone involved going home, and Biden being inaugurated right on time.

Seriously? lousiest insurrection in world history.

Any who, I’m glad public opinion is shifting toward supporting health choices. And I’m glad apple went the way they are going. But the anti-choice crowd on Macrumors will try hard to rationalize their authoritarian tone.

Ridiculous. So, they should just let idiots run around in the Capitol or any other building destroying stuff and that’s cool with you. Got it.

 

[Complex757]

Time has already told. The science is settled. Just admit that you're more scared of a shot than is a toddler who needs his lollipop. Choosing not to get vaccinated is simply selfishness.

Phizer recently recalled a anti smoking drug that was approved in 2006, because it may increase cancer risk

 

[A MacBook lover]

Ridiculous. So, they should just let idiots run around in the Capitol or any other building destroying stuff and that’s cool with you. Got it.

Lying and exaggerating about what it actually was doesn’t help your case

 

[seadragon]

Lying and exaggerating about what it actually was doesn’t help your case

Dismissing and downplaying doesn’t help yours. It looks foolish in fact.

 

[eatrains]

So when will the mandatory gym sessions, salat lunches and anti addiction seminars start?
Maybe obese people should be restricted from going to McDonald’s? Lockdown for smokers?

The obese and smokers don’t cause hospitals to overflow and ration care, nor is there a free, fast, and easy solution to their problems.

 

[eatrains]

Yeah,


A bunch of nitwits not bringing guns, entering a federal building, breaking a few items, yelling at the ceiling in costume, and posing for pictures in the Speaker's chair represents the most violent, treasonous, coup ever perpetrated.

Then it ended with an unarmed protestor being shot and killed, everyone involved going home, and Biden being inaugurated right on time.

Seriously? lousiest insurrection in world history.

Any who, I’m glad public opinion is shifting toward supporting health choices. And I’m glad apple went the way they are going. But the anti-choice crowd on Macrumors will try hard to rationalize their authoritarian tone.

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Just because their coup failed doesn’t mean they weren’t violent and anti-American.

 

[Apple2GS]

This is a debate among the elites. Notice that retail, construction, and most lower middle class workers have not missed a day during the pandemic. No testing or vaccine requirements either. The elite have too much time on their hands and too much social media.

 

[I7guy]

This is a debate among the elites. Notice that retail, construction, and most lower middle class workers have not missed a day during the pandemic. No testing or vaccine requirements either. The elite have too much time on their hands and too much social media.

Not sure where you are getting this information from, but that is not the case. Example: In NYC, construction slowed down, restaurants were shuttered, other business models substantially changed, offices closed etc.

 

[A MacBook lover]

Not sure where you are getting this information from, but that is not the case. Example: In NYC, construction slowed down, restaurants were shuttered, other business models substantially changed, offices closed etc.

Where I work, I have never been tested nor asked for a vaccine card. And I work for a very popular company in DC.

no businesses are enforcing anything other than the mask mandate ( only because the government forced them)

 

[seadragon]

Where I work, I have never been tested nor asked for a vaccine card. And I work for a very popular company in DC.

no businesses are enforcing anything other than the mask mandate ( only because the government forced them)

Well good for you I guess? Get ready for when they do. Where I work, we are required to show proof of vaccination, like other businesses are starting to do.

 

[Blackstick]

This is a debate among the elites. Notice that retail, construction, and most lower middle class workers have not missed a day during the pandemic. No testing or vaccine requirements either. The elite have too much time on their hands and too much social media.

Many restaurants here are requiring staff to be vaccinated. Same with construction sites. It’s a liability issue to have unvaccinated vectors working in your business.

Biden’s orders allow businesses to blame it on the federal government, but it’s a win-win for employers weary of lawsuits.

 

[BreakingKayfabe]

It's a personal choice when your choice has no effects on broader society.

If you "chose" to not be vaccinated, should you get priority in an ICU if you show up with severe covid symptoms when the vaccine was available?
Should you be required to foor the bill for treatment if you are not vaccinated?

If you expect to be treated and insurance to cover you, you should get vaccinated. SOciety should not be strapped with the cost of a poor choice to be unvaccinated.

I’ve seen people state things like this who have also been on the “Medicare for all, no pre-existing conditions bias!”

I hope you’re not one of them.

 

[0924487]

They should mandate a vaccine for anyone to use their phones, and see how quickly people get their shots..

Or better embed vaccines into iPhones. Jabbing people every time they touch it.

 

[orthorim]

"Delta" variant is another name for the vaccine long term side effects. The next few dozen names are already in the databases, lambda, and so on.

There's only two ways out of this - either wake up to the fraud, or die from your 27th booster.... but that's just my opinion. We do live in a free speech country, I believe? So I get to have my opinion and you get to have yours, different from mine. And we're all happy.

We live in a free society, so everyone gets to choose which medical treatment is right for them, right?

Someone who already had covid (me! - it was harmless...) is immune to it, so why would they get tested OR vaccinated? Natural immunity actually works, whether or not the vaccines work is a question of scientific debate, and an ongoing experiment on humanity the results of which we will see in a few years.

I am well aware that the manufacturers state that they work - but there may be a slight conflict of interest with their trillion dollar business here, that may bias their view just a little. I think. Politicians get paid millions to say the same. But then I've never even considered believing anything coming out of a politicians mouth - surprised anyone does. TV stations will get all their ad revenue removed if they report anything critical. So they won't.

Nobody has ever questioned the basics of immunology - humans get immune to coronaviruses, that's just how it works, and unlike vaccines which target one strain at a time natural immunity is broad spectrum and works for all variants.

This is just basics.

According to the CDC 14,000 have died from the jab, and counting. Previous vaccine campaigns have been stopped cold after 25 deaths. And that's just reported deaths. Soooo.. where's he logic or reasoning?

I see a bleak future for Apple in this, if they keep going down this road. At some point, it will be too dark to turn back.

 

[orthorim]

Far from settled.
We are missing a lot of key data points.
A lot of the actions are politically driven.
We have nowhere enough long term data.

That’s just some of what is missing.

A lot of evidence is actually settled.

For example in all previous vaccine campaigns in the last 70 years combined, a few hundred people died from the jabs, as reported to VAERS.

In this campaign, 14,000 and counting have died according to VAERS.

That's hard data. Interpret it any way you wish!

Make your choice by informed consent!

 

[orthorim]

Vaccinated are much less likely to get and much less likely to transmit. The unvaccinated are the much bigger problem.

Says who? Politicians and TV stations? Politicians and TV stations are paid to say these things.

Jab works? Why worry then?

Jab doesn't work? Why you want me to take your jab that doesn't work? Huh? You pick, but it's either A or B. If it doesn't work, and that seems to be the argument, "it doesn't work 100%", then why TF would I be taking it? No thanks, that shot hasn't even passed animal trials, the only people who say it works are people who directly benefit from it financially, and now you also say it doesn't actually work? Whyyyyyyyyyy would I take this? There's a considerable risk - I believe it compromises the immune system.

That being said - I have natural immunity, I've had covid - immune for life. You don't need to be afraid of me. I am healthy as can be, I have no diseases I could be transmitting - you can give me a hug, and nothing will happen to you!

That's the beauty of being healthy.

Once upon a time, people were aware that other people who are healthy do not pose any threat to them!

I think we need to go back to this time, where common sense prevailed over fear motivated by an unprecedented grab for cash and power.

Stop being afraid. Speak what you think. Let others speak what they think. Do what you think is best. Let others do what they think is best.

This is America! This is how we do things.

We don't hide under the cupboard until daddy state gives us our injections and puts muzzles on us. We stand up. In this time more than ever it is crucially important everyone finds their spine, and that includes moderators on tech forums. Your future depends on it.

 

[UrbanJoe1]

So the people following scientific processes and guidance are emotional propagandists and the ones who equate masks to muzzles are the smart self-educators, got it.

If the only workable solutions to your (real, imagined, whatever they may be) health problems of the day depends on what others do/don’t do (or forcing them to do/don’t do) then in all likelihood you’re just plain screwed. If you’re that afraid then reorganize YOUR life to satisfy yourself. The cold and flu and pneumonia and hundreds of other contagious diseases can’t ALL be completely avoided even under the most ideal circumstances. Life just doesn’t work like that and when tyrants try to use force to eliminate all their fears the world ends up with Nazi Germany and the Holocaust. That’s WAY more dangerous to human life than covid 19… and we actually have history to show us that!! By the way…when do you think the cold & flu will return since it’s been oddly absent during the COVID fiasco? Oh wait… hospitals aren’t getting paid extra for those!

 

[goofy810]

So, this whole health department and FDA.. is a joke?

FDA Approves First COVID-19 Vaccine

FDA approved the first COVID-19 vaccine, now marketed as Comirnaty, for the prevention of COVID-19 disease in individuals 16 years of age and older.

www.fda.gov

COVID-19 Vaccines

The FDA has regulatory processes in place to facilitate the development of COVID-19 vaccines that meet the FDA's rigorous scientific standards.

www.fda.gov

I would rather people live a long healthier life then worrying about if it’s approved or not.

You get the FDA is all political, considering 2 top vax folks quit the FDA over it.

 

[goofy810]

It's simply becoming standard practice. In many ways, we're starting to move toward a hygienic safety practice. I hate to use the overused example of seatbelts, but it really is a parallel.

- Use of seatbelts saves lives. It might not save you from a very nasty accident, but your odds of survival helps for what its tested for.
- You could survive without a seatbelt, but it's a massive risk to ones self to go without one.
- Insurance companies end up being the ones footing the bill for a bunch of people without seatbelts getting injured or killed. They then put the costs onto users, who even though they might be using seatbelts, they have to pay the increases cause the insurance companies have to incur those costs.
- Hence, people want to start practices that reduces their costs (in my example, money in seatbelts, medical costs and what not in COVID) and have everyone follow the same practice, or else.

Either way, people who are saying "screw the system" can also be screwing the system because you can't infringe on what they do. It's the freedom to do what you want, even if its wrong. Based on this article, Apple totally doesn't want to carry the costs of medical insurance spikes that may come from it all.

DO seatbelts ever kill anyone? cause the vax has and does !!

 

[goofy810]

Your personal choice is killing others.

Get the shot or expect to be ignored at every major event, hospital etc. in the very near future.

Considering the vax doesn't stop transmission

 

[seadragon]

"Delta" variant is another name for the vaccine long term side effects. The next few dozen names are already in the databases, lambda, and so on.

There's only two ways out of this - either wake up to the fraud, or die from your 27th booster.... but that's just my opinion. We do live in a free speech country, I believe? So I get to have my opinion and you get to have yours, different from mine. And we're all happy.

We live in a free society, so everyone gets to choose which medical treatment is right for them, right?

Someone who already had covid (me! - it was harmless...) is immune to it, so why would they get tested OR vaccinated? Natural immunity actually works, whether or not the vaccines work is a question of scientific debate, and an ongoing experiment on humanity the results of which we will see in a few years.

I am well aware that the manufacturers state that they work - but there may be a slight conflict of interest with their trillion dollar business here, that may bias their view just a little. I think. Politicians get paid millions to say the same. But then I've never even considered believing anything coming out of a politicians mouth - surprised anyone does. TV stations will get all their ad revenue removed if they report anything critical. So they won't.

Nobody has ever questioned the basics of immunology - humans get immune to coronaviruses, that's just how it works, and unlike vaccines which target one strain at a time natural immunity is broad spectrum and works for all variants.

This is just basics.

According to the CDC 14,000 have died from the jab, and counting. Previous vaccine campaigns have been stopped cold after 25 deaths. And that's just reported deaths. Soooo.. where's he logic or reasoning?

I see a bleak future for Apple in this, if they keep going down this road. At some point, it will be too dark to turn back.

Where is it stated/documented that the vaccines cause variants? Some other poster claimed the same thing and I’ve been asking for the source. So far, just crickets. The virus itself mutates into variants the longer it exists. Anti-vaxxers are helping it do this.

Regarding deaths from the vaccine, where are you getting those numbers?

From the CDC:

Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 380 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through September 13, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 7,653 reports of death (0.0020%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths

Source:

Selected Adverse Events Reported after COVID-19 Vaccination

Rare instances of adverse events following COVID-19 vaccinations have been reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System.

www.cdc.gov

 

[dk001]

A lot of evidence is actually settled.

For example in all previous vaccine campaigns in the last 70 years combined, a few hundred people died from the jabs, as reported to VAERS.

In this campaign, 14,000 and counting have died according to VAERS.

That's hard data. Interpret it any way you wish!

Make your choice by informed consent!

That is the problem with far too many posts and viewpoints.
You point to ONE data point yet claim - see embolden text above.

There are dozens are of questions that need data points and analysis. Quoting one data point that has nothing to do other than incentivizing at this stage does nothing to help solve things.