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I still reckon COVID tests should be required from the government it your going to work, not for the business to decide.. .
 
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I work for law enforcement. This is a local news that was hit recently in our department. It’s sad people.


Yes indeed. I had a good friend damn near die from the ‘Rona. He was unvaccinated. His wife is vaccinated. She had almost no symptoms. Is it 100% effective? No. Nothing is. Do people who are vaccinated still die from it sometimes? Yes. Do unvaccinated get it and do fine? Yes of course. It’s all about the odds. Your chances of survival are MUCH better if you are vaccinated. I agree it is a personal choice. My friend who nearly died was an anti COVID vaxer before. That changed. Something about starring death in the face at 53 and being pulled back from the reaper tends to alter one’s opinion.
 
Yes indeed. I had a good friend damn near die from the ‘Rona. He was unvaccinated. His wife is vaccinated. She had almost no symptoms. Is it 100% effective? No. Nothing is. Do people who are vaccinated still die from it sometimes? Yes. Do unvaccinated get it and do fine? Yes of course. It’s all about the odds. Your chances of survival are MUCH better if you are vaccinated. I agree it is a personal choice. My friend who nearly died was an anti COVID vaxer before. That changed. Something about starring death in the face at 53 and being pulled back from the reaper tends to alter one’s opinion.
Another scare tale. Funny eh, vaccinated in hospital dying. Great job vaccines! That and the death and adverse effects. People will be lining up…oh yeah, they are! Mission almost complete governments - you’re tyranny to get every soul jabbed is working - almost. Until 3rd booster deaths disguised as Covid has its cover blown!
 
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Another scare tale. Funny eh, vaccinated in hospital dying. Great job vaccines! That and the death and adverse effects. People will be lining up…oh yeah, they are! Mission almost complete governments - you’re tyranny to get every soul jabbed is working - almost. Until 3rd booster deaths disguised as Covid has its cover blown!
Great hyperbole…because the facts aren’t in line with the hyperbole.
 
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Not sure why anyone would want to get tested all the time instead of getting 1 or two shots (and yes I am all for people having the choice) just seems like constantly getting tested would be a pain after awhile (not to mention getting the q tip shoved up your nose all the time.)
 
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Not sure why anyone would want to get tested all the time instead of getting 1 or two shots (and yes I am all for people having the choice) just seems like constantly getting tested would be a pain after awhile (not to mention getting the q tip shoved up your nose all the time.)
My son, who is vaccinated, still gets tested weekly. I had a scare a few weeks ago as I was in close contact with someone who tested positive and I ran to get a test...thankfully negative.
 
We are out of TIME!
If that were the case, most people would already be dead. We do not live in a Hollywood disaster movie.

No vaccines, 3 vaccines, 10 vaccines. It makes no difference to transmission or contracting the disease. Testing is the best way to ensure you are not infected.
Covid testing how it is done today can only determine with a reasonable chance that your body is infected with a corona variant virus (including influenza variants) or not.
And here's the catch: while the traditional news media hunts for the bad, sensational and wants you to be scared, a positive test result does not confirm that you will get sick badly or even die. In fact most people hardly notice anything. And another thing: if the test result is negative and/or when you are proven to be protected by natural immunity and/or vaccine, you can always be a carrier and spread a virus. That is simply how it has always has been. I'm not trying to offend anyone, but most people really would not want to know what they carry on your body/clothes not visible for the eye. The immune system is always hard at work (or should be)

I'm not saying that vaccination is good or bad, I do have all the usual shots myself. But keep in mind that we do not get vaccines for ALL diseases. Now and in the future. Lots of diseases you just have to go through. As most of us know most people hardly notice anything during their lives, while others are always sick.


- Use of seatbelts saves lives. It might not save you from a very nasty accident, but your odds of survival helps for what its tested for.
- You could survive without a seatbelt, but it's a massive risk to ones self to go without one.
- Insurance companies end up being the ones footing the bill for a bunch of people without seatbelts getting injured or killed. They then put the costs onto users, who even though they might be using seatbelts, they have to pay the increases cause the insurance companies have to incur those costs.
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Kind of stupid comparison. A seatbelt does not protect you against an accident, it can reduce a possible injury of a mechanical impact during an accident. A vaccine is similar in that it can reduce the chance of getting sick or even die. The difference is that a seatbelt is an external aid and can always be replaced if necessary. A vaccine on the other hand is chemical that is put inside your body and is permanent.


The data tells us that 90-95% of those severe Covid patients occupying ICUs are unvaccinated, often with other co-morbidities. If vaccinated folks were clogging up ICUs and dying preventable deaths, the data would show it - and it does not. Your risk of dying of Covid is 10-30x greater when not vaxxed - and goes up if you've got other comorbidities, obesity being the primary one.

Don't take the internet's word for it, go ask your MD (not your neighbor who does medical billing, nor an LPN, nor a politician)... they'll inevitably tell you to get vaccinated.

There's a reason why we didn't close schools and businesses for the flu or previous viruses... they didn't fill up ICUs and fracture families in anything close to the numbers that Covid does.
You put the numbers out of context. 10-30 times is the chance that a vaccine may help if you are weak already (high age, obesity, bad health). For ages 65 and lower the morbidity rate drops below a promille before vaccination. For all the hope is that current covid vaccines may help those that eventually do get sick much later. To make it less bad and uncomfortable.
 
The crazy part about this whole situation is that if Trump won, the same people who "won't get the vax" would be the first in line to get it because it would be the Trump vaccine and they wouldn't be putting it off as a means to "own the libs"
 
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The crazy part about this whole situation is that if Trump won, the same people who "won't get the vax" would be the first in line to get it because it would be the Trump vaccine and they wouldn't be putting it off as a means to "own the libs"
actually, as a trump supporter myself, I never had plans to get the vaccine in the first place. Because I already have the antibodies for it, and my general distrust for big pharma.
 
actually, as a trump supporter myself, I never had plans to get the vaccine in the first place. Because I already have the antibodies for it, and my general distrust for big pharma.
Having the antibodies makes it so you really don't need the vaccine. Still doesn't change the fact that the majority of Trump supporters would get it if he was president and told them to.
 
Having the antibodies makes it so you really don't need the vaccine. Still doesn't change the fact that the majority of Trump supporters would get it if he was president and told them to.
Actually no, when trump *recommended* supporters get the vaccine, they booed him.

Almost as if they aren’t a cult (who follows everything he says), and can think for themselves.
 
The crazy part about this whole situation is that if Trump won, the same people who "won't get the vax" would be the first in line to get it because it would be the Trump vaccine and they wouldn't be putting it off as a means to "own the libs"
I’m sure that is true for a bunch of Them but hypocrisy is rampant on both sides


Both sides have stooges that don’t think and just cheerlead
 
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Actually no, when trump *recommended* supporters get the vaccine, they booed him.

Almost as if they aren’t a cult (who follows everything he says), and can think for themselves.
January 6th would like to have a word with you.. And of course they are going to boo him after he pushed not getting the vaccine for months (and this is coming from someone who voted for him). He could have easily won re-election if he kept his mouth and ego in check.
 
I’m sure that is true for a bunch of Them but hypocrisy is rampant on both sides


Both sides have stooges that don’t think and just cheerlead
Oh I don’t disagree at all. Hypocrisy isn’t just a one party problem.
 
Avoiding the vaccine is already a strong part of one party’s informal platform, and thats the biggest roadblock holding back the US from getting to the point where nearly everyone is vaccinated. It was politicized by the previous administration.
Yes, the Republicans were being jerks and largely continue to be. Doesn't mean their voters can be ignored. Well, they can be, but then they won't get vaccinated.
 
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It’s not about medical history, it’s about vaccination status. There are a variety of
jobs where proof of vaccination history is a requirement for getting the job — and I’m not talking about COVID vaccinations. This has been the case for decades. It’s not something new. Try becoming a teacher sometime. They’re required to submit proof of a variety of vaccinations because they’re going to be around a lot of people who could get sick. This is entirely reasonable, and, again, has been accepted practice basically forever. The COVID-19 vaccination is simply one more on top of the pile.
Vaccination status is part of medical history. Try rejecting or firing an employee in most jobs for refusing to take a vaccine. I didn't have to prove my measles etc vaccines to go to school or work in my current job. My employer now requires attestation of covid vaccination to enter buildings, but they're evidently dancing around actually requiring proof, and they're eventually requiring in-office work but have no plan for handling employees who aren't vaccinated by then. There's no clear-cut law for this; it's more just a large lawsuit risk.
 
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Why are you bringing up guns, gays, and abortion? Canadians don’t even have the freedom of speech. However, based on this post, it doesn’t seem like they deserve it.

How would you feel about forced vaccinations by your federal government? I kind of think it is a good idea if the concept of individual freedom is abandoned.
Dude was praising the Chinese government elsewhere. I don't think he represents Canada, especially considering how many people there are immigrants who fled from China.
 
Way to entice people into getting vaccinated. Just do non-stop annoying tests on them lol

I've just thrown up my arms in the air on this. I was vaccinated because I was told we can start removing masks mandates and so forth. Then they brought that stuff back in certain areas blaming the unvaccinated as if I'm supposed to care that they keep themselves at risk of bad infection. If they have their reasons, stupid or not, just leave them be.

At this point if they recommend me to get a 3rd shot, I'm not doing it. We keep getting the goalposts moved on this. Enough of the Wuhan Virus.
The fact they keep moving the goal post is probably my main deterrent to getting the vaccine. Im not stupid I know what is going on here.

You wait and see. Once they have forced one vaccine on everybody, it will be easy to force a second. Before we know it there are compulsory bi-annual vaccine events that EVERYONE MUST ATTEND OR BE IMPRISONED. Does not take long and the next step will be that it is no longer YOUR body for YOU to decide upon, it is now the GOVERNMENTS body, they tell YOU what YOU are allowed to do with it. Frankly a mandatory vaccine is an obvious first step in that direction.

All you fools howling "do the right thing". "get the vaccine". You are the puppets dancing along nicely.
 
You're awfully judgy about others, while lacking any real clue about what you are talking about.

Don't take it personally, nobody does, people like Dr. Fauci don't either, but they are shielding you from known virology shortcomings and uncertainties, and filling your head with promises they have no ability to keep and declaring certainties where none exist.

The ability to eradicate viruses, does not exist.

There is very little mastery, if any, over viruses by humans.

Observation, basic identification, is in its infancy, and is highly unreliable.

Without knowing jack **** besides regurgitating the low value information being hyped by your TV and popular websites, pissing off your friends, family, neighbors and coworkers with irrational fear and persecution, is probably not a winning long term strategy.

The only thing you have is faith, aka superstition, which is useless as both a diagnostic and scientific tool, and will continue to be for "hundreds of years more".
Of course we can eradicate viruses...by eradicating the host. I'd prefer we not all die off so we have to "eradicate" the virus by not allowing it to spread just as we did with polio, smallpox, etc. That means we need effective vaccines for everyone, not just people who feel like taking the shot and the other 1/3 of the population that thinks their freedom to choose vaccine is more important than the vaccine itself and humankind's future health. What don't you understand about this basic science?
 
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The science will never be settled on this because we know we will not get rid of this virus anytime soon and some new variants require new vaccines which could have only been prevented by vaccinating in the first place. So by the time the science is settled for one variant, there will new variants that require new testing and vaccination all over again. We will never catch up.

Nothing is 100% safe in life. Talking to anti or vaccine hesistant people, it's clear that their resistance has moved away from caution and further towards selfishness.
No, you are misunderstanding the situation entirely. It is not about selfishness at all. It is about bodily autonomy & NOT letting governments take more control.

They are USING THE FEAR YOU HAVE AGAINST YOU. You need to stop and accept that some people might die from this virus, it is going to be sad, that should not stop you from protecting your freedoms. Only a fool trades their most valuable right for "temporary safety". Once they see you are the fool who will make that trade, it wont be long before they exploit you again. and again. And again. The fight is best fought in the first ditch. Trust me on this one.
 
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It's because the unvaccinated have proven themselves to be a bunch of *******s that will behave irresponsibly (like not wearing masks or social distancing) while the vaccinated have proven that they will do what's necessary to keep themselves and their loved ones safe.
Ahh yes. Excellent we have now progressed into name calling & personal attacks. It is now the person who is the problem. Good. Very very good.

Yeeesssssss. Let the hate run through you.



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Cant you see this is exactly what they want & you are the pawn playing into their hands? They want us divided.
"Us vaccinated people are perfect human beings who do everything right."
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"Its those DIRTY unvaccinated, IRRESPONSIBLE, TERRIBLE, DISGUSTING people who are causing all of our problems."
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"If it werent for the unvaccinated our lives would be perfect, we MUST get rid of them"
 
Yes indeed. I had a good friend damn near die from the ‘Rona. He was unvaccinated. His wife is vaccinated. She had almost no symptoms. Is it 100% effective? No. Nothing is. Do people who are vaccinated still die from it sometimes? Yes. Do unvaccinated get it and do fine? Yes of course. It’s all about the odds. Your chances of survival are MUCH better if you are vaccinated. I agree it is a personal choice. My friend who nearly died was an anti COVID vaxer before. That changed. Something about starring death in the face at 53 and being pulled back from the reaper tends to alter one’s opinion.
It's a personal choice when your choice has no effects on broader society.

If you "chose" to not be vaccinated, should you get priority in an ICU if you show up with severe covid symptoms when the vaccine was available?
Should you be required to foor the bill for treatment if you are not vaccinated?

If you expect to be treated and insurance to cover you, you should get vaccinated. SOciety should not be strapped with the cost of a poor choice to be unvaccinated.

Also vaccine mandates date back 115 years. The supreme court has upheld mandates for vaccines.

If you go to school in America you must be vaccinated against smallpox, polio, measeles, meningitis and others.
Depending on how old you are, different vaccines are applicable.

There is no valid reason for not being vaccinated against covid.
Religious reasons? Then you can't possible take some 50 other medications including Pepto and Tylenol.
Because your doctor advised against it? Not unless you recently had covid.

Don't get vaccineate and stay home.
Venues can and are denying access to those unvaccinated.
I fully applaud this.
 
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