After ALL these years and MANY, MANY, MANY deaths, why hasn’t the flu & pneumonia been cured also? Why do we expect to eradicate this SO quickly? Malaria? AIDS? What about TB? MRSA? Common cold? Why does anyone of adult age believe that exclusively mandating these vaccines & wearing masks will eradicate this type of airborne corona/Sars-2 virus beyond all concerns? If defies all logic and common sense and medical knowledge/history. There are PLENTY of ways to stay well and even treat this is you get it. Even the WORST AND DEADLIEST flu season I’ve ever seen didn’t even begin to get near the public attention this has AND it didn’t shut down the whole world economies, threatening to do it again at every variant strain.Where is it stated/documented that the vaccines cause variants? Some other poster claimed the same thing and I’ve been asking for the source. So far, just crickets. The virus itself mutates into variants the longer it exists. Anti-vaxxers are helping it do this.
Regarding deaths from the vaccine, where are you getting those numbers?
From the CDC:
Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 380 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through September 13, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 7,653 reports of death (0.0020%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths
Source:
Selected Adverse Events Reported after COVID-19 Vaccination
Rare instances of adverse events following COVID-19 vaccinations have been reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System.www.cdc.gov
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Yes, it has happened before. Just like the vax, the purpose is mitigation (i.e. reducing the chances), not a guarantee.
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Because if you do get the virus(and you're vax'ed), you don't end up in the hospital, you lessen in the risk of DYING.
You dont have a huge medical bill. The government and the hospital aren't taking the bill anymore.
why do you keep ignoring my post?Where is it stated/documented that the vaccines cause variants? Some other poster claimed the same thing and I’ve been asking for the source. So far, just crickets. The virus itself mutates into variants the longer it exists. Anti-vaxxers are helping it do this.
Regarding deaths from the vaccine, where are you getting those numbers?
From the CDC:
Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 380 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through September 13, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 7,653 reports of death (0.0020%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths
Source:
Selected Adverse Events Reported after COVID-19 Vaccination
Rare instances of adverse events following COVID-19 vaccinations have been reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System.
Geert Vanden Bossche is a virologist who has been sounding the alarm on this issue, you can visit his website or see a full collection of his videos down below: https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/
Evidence of cov2 immune escape: https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2021/06/30/science.abi7994
Article from 2015 that explains how imperfect vaccination (like the Pfizer and moderna that require at least two shots to be effective) can create immune escape variants: https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1002198
Article from 2021 explains that unless vaccination is done quickly, there will be a high probability of escape mutants: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-95025-3
CDC warns COVID-19 may be a few mutations away from evading vaccines. The virus isn't mutating to avoid the vaccines because of unvaccinated people, it's because the vaccines are putting evolutionary pressure on the virus: https://nypost.com/2021/07/27/cdc-covid-19-may-be-a-few-mutations-away-from-evading-vaccines/
Treatment + natural immunity > Vaccine. Treatment is what helps you get better, not a vaccine. Natural immunity doesn’t create escape variants, vaccine does. Natural immunity also has full spectrum and longer lasting protection.
I’m all aboard once we get the fatties, the smokers, alcoholics, and druggies forced to reform their ways and lessen their cost to the medical system. /s
I don’t understand you. The links and text you provide are contradictory to what you are saying. For example…
”Article from 2021 explains that unless vaccination is done quickly, there will be a high probability of escape mutants:”
So then… get vaccinated quickly!
“CDC warns COVID-19 may be a few mutations away from evading vaccines. The virus isn't mutating to avoid the vaccines because of unvaccinated people, it's because the vaccines are putting evolutionary pressure on the virus:”
https://nypost.com/2021/07/27/cdc-covid-19-may-be-a-few-mutations-away-from-evading-vaccines/
Did you read the article you linked? It basically says the opposite! From that article:
“Right now, fortunately, we are not there. These vaccines operate really well in protecting us from severe disease and death”
”The agency chief said the possibility is even more reason for people to get vaccinated — so that the virus can finally be off at the pass before it mutates into something that requires another vaccine.”
“Health officials have stressed that rising coronavirus case numbers in the US are being driven by unvaccinated Americans.”
”Currently, people who are not vaccinated are responsible for around 99.5 percent of COVID-19 deaths and 97 percent of hospitalizations, officials said.”
Moral of the story is…. GET VACCINATED.
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Ah so you completely disregarded my studies and decided not to read them. Why can’t you respect someone’s personal choice?
perhaps it’s because you yourself were fooled, and feel the need to push it on others? Kinda like a pyramid scheme, really.
The risk of seatbelts is way less then the risk of the vax vs the risk of covid. Consider 95% of covid deaths were over 55 years of age and over 85% where over 70 years of age. Considering the age of most apple employees I would say the risk of the vax is higher then the risk of covid.Yes, it has happened before. Just like the vax, the purpose is mitigation (i.e. reducing the chances), not a guarantee.
Can seatbelts kill you?
Seatbelts are a way of life for most of us, but some think it's safer to go without them. Could following the rules and wearing a seatbelt actually end up killing you?
Considering the CDC does everything in the world to avoid linking a death with the Vax. Bottom line is they are hiding the truth!!!Where is it stated/documented that the vaccines cause variants? Some other poster claimed the same thing and I’ve been asking for the source. So far, just crickets. The virus itself mutates into variants the longer it exists. Anti-vaxxers are helping it do this.
Regarding deaths from the vaccine, where are you getting those numbers?
From the CDC:
Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 380 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through September 13, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 7,653 reports of death (0.0020%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths
Source:
Selected Adverse Events Reported after COVID-19 Vaccination
Rare instances of adverse events following COVID-19 vaccinations have been reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System.
Don’t forget. OSHA has new guidance that says employers DONT have to report vaccine side effects.
You chose to ignore the discrepancies I pointed out to you. With the exception of the first article from one doctor, the basic message is vaccinate.
Your ”personal choice” is fuelling the problem, not the solution. It’s as clear as daylight, even from the articles you posted.
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Yes. Everyone here talks like COVID 19 will be eradicated if we just "vaccinate" everyone. I will happily wait for someone to name the respiratory virus with animal reservoirs that has been eradicated through vaccination. Zero COVID is a fallacy and a fantasy. The "vaccines" are very effective at protection (NOT transmission). Get one - to protect yourself! But please stop playing into this us vs. them mentality that is tearing us apart. It needs to stop.
To me, these issues are more about logical arguments instead of a personal thing. It’s mostly those people wanting/pushing universal vaccinations /boosters (pass cards/restrictions etc) that I observe are getting really nasty and divisive about it. And yes, I whole heartedly agree that aspect needs to stop 🛑
Actually the facts are in line.
It’s funny that no scientists or Pharma companies or governments can prove the data wrong that’s appearing from places like Israel and Guatemala
The cold and the flu are much less dangerous than covid and don't overflow the healthcare system. And don't you think maybe the cold and flu weren't as bad because everyone was wearing masks and keeping their distance and staying home? And of course you think covid is a scam crafted by hospitals...
Politicians and tv stations? No, science says the unvaccinated are the problem. Liars spreading misinformation are the problem.
Stop being afraid of a little shot like a toddler. Stop pretending there are considerable risks. Stop trying to equate masks with muzzles. You're not a tough guy, you're not a strong patriotic manly man, you're just scared and desperate for some sense of identity. Grow up.
The vaccines of course do reduce the risk of transmission if you get infected, and they greatly reduce the risk of infection in the first place.
You understand you cannot transmit covid if you don't have covid, right?
So funny watching these science deniers get cold feet after trying an experimental vaccine. We get it, you are regretful to the point it angers you, and you force your impulsive decision on us. But don’t direct your anger at us - those who chose to wait and believe actual science, not paid-for media propganda sponsored by big pharma. Get mad at the ones who fooled you.
Doctor speaking during FDA advisory panel states the vaccines cause myocarditis. Also states that the vaccine hesitant population is more educated than the vaccinated population.
HIGHLY respected virologist with serious concerns about safety of continued vaccination$. https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/post/the-last-post
Dr. Geert Vandenbossche was mentioned very approvingly in the recent Jimmy Dore video where he interviewed Dr. Robert Malone, the inventor of mRNA treatments. EXPLOSIVE Truth About Vaccines & COVID w/Inventor Of mRNA Vaccine Technology, Robert Malone
https://keyt.com/health/cnn-health/...-like-heart-attack-in-kids-pediatrician-says/ Seven youths ages 14 to 19 were suffering from a very rare type of heart inflammation. It’s one that public health officials are beginning to link to Covid-19 vaccines.
MSNBC Boston Local News Station: At Least 18 Cases of Apparent Heart Problems in Young People After COVID-19 Vaccine
36 people developed a rare blood disorder after receiving the vaccine
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/...ed-rare-blood-disorder-covid-vaccination.html
FYI (important to understand local hospital numbers better) - you are considered unvaccinated on their charts if:
NO vax
1 vax
2 vax less than 14 days ago
Plus Israel added recently: Without 3rd booster
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated-guidance.html
"For the purposes of this guidance, people are considered fully vaccinated for COVID-19 ≥2 weeks after they have received the second dose in a 2-dose series (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna), or ≥2 weeks after they have received a single-dose vaccine (Johnson & Johnson [J&J]/Janssen)†. There is currently no post-vaccination time limit on fully vaccinated status. People are considered not fully vaccinated if they have not completed a two-dose vaccination series or have not received a single-dose vaccine, regardless of age, including children under the age of 12."
Basically amounts to local hospitals are being deceptive with the numbers they are posting up. They are also not including prior comorbidities and still relying on overcycled PCR tests, plus there is that massive cash bonus for listing people as having died from CV19.
The government is now also offering people burial expenses if the deceased is officially listed as having died from CV19, so its a cash incentive not only for the hospitals but also for families that would like free burials instead of having to fork out between three and ten grand to bury someone who may have died from other causes but now gets listed as a CV19 death. Its all conducted to inflate the numbers and carry out the long term plans of the elite which is that vaccine passport tied to social credit scores and online accounts. Its all about control.
In regards to the CDC's vaccination guidelines for CV19 injections, in other words, you could have taken the first shot or even the 2nd shot, then gotten sick, possibly from the shot, and then you are still listed as unvaccinated if you have not gone a full 14 days from completion of the 2nd shot. Its quite deceptive, the way they are doing it. Megan Kelly covers more hospital financial deception in this new video. There is strong evidence that the CV19 case rate has been seriously overinflated intentionally by hospitals in order to receive unlimited CARE Act funds. The video is going viral and has millions of views already.
False Facts of COVID Hospitalizations, with Dr. Jay Bhattacharya | The Megyn Kelly Show
Doctor speaking during FDA advisory panel states the vaccines cause myocarditis. Also states that the vaccine hesitant population is more educated than the vaccinated population.
HIGHLY respected virologist with serious concerns about safety of continued vaccination$. https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/post/the-last-post
Dr. Geert Vandenbossche was mentioned very approvingly in the recent Jimmy Dore video where he interviewed Dr. Robert Malone, the inventor of mRNA treatments. EXPLOSIVE Truth About Vaccines & COVID w/Inventor Of mRNA Vaccine Technology, Robert Malone
https://keyt.com/health/cnn-health/...-like-heart-attack-in-kids-pediatrician-says/ Seven youths ages 14 to 19 were suffering from a very rare type of heart inflammation. It’s one that public health officials are beginning to link to Covid-19 vaccines.
MSNBC Boston Local News Station: At Least 18 Cases of Apparent Heart Problems in Young People After COVID-19 Vaccine
36 people developed a rare blood disorder after receiving the vaccine
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/...ed-rare-blood-disorder-covid-vaccination.html
FYI (important to understand local hospital numbers better) - you are considered unvaccinated on their charts if:
NO vax
1 vax
2 vax less than 14 days ago
Plus Israel added recently: Without 3rd booster
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated-guidance.html
"For the purposes of this guidance, people are considered fully vaccinated for COVID-19 ≥2 weeks after they have received the second dose in a 2-dose series (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna), or ≥2 weeks after they have received a single-dose vaccine (Johnson & Johnson [J&J]/Janssen)†. There is currently no post-vaccination time limit on fully vaccinated status. People are considered not fully vaccinated if they have not completed a two-dose vaccination series or have not received a single-dose vaccine, regardless of age, including children under the age of 12."
Basically amounts to local hospitals are being deceptive with the numbers they are posting up. They are also not including prior comorbidities and still relying on overcycled PCR tests, plus there is that massive cash bonus for listing people as having died from CV19.
The government is now also offering people burial expenses if the deceased is officially listed as having died from CV19, so its a cash incentive not only for the hospitals but also for families that would like free burials instead of having to fork out between three and ten grand to bury someone who may have died from other causes but now gets listed as a CV19 death. Its all conducted to inflate the numbers and carry out the long term plans of the elite which is that vaccine passport tied to social credit scores and online accounts. Its all about control.
In regards to the CDC's vaccination guidelines for CV19 injections, in other words, you could have taken the first shot or even the 2nd shot, then gotten sick, possibly from the shot, and then you are still listed as unvaccinated if you have not gone a full 14 days from completion of the 2nd shot. Its quite deceptive, the way they are doing it. Megan Kelly covers more hospital financial deception in this new video. There is strong evidence that the CV19 case rate has been seriously overinflated intentionally by hospitals in order to receive unlimited CARE Act funds. The video is going viral and has millions of views already.
False Facts of COVID Hospitalizations, with Dr. Jay Bhattacharya | The Megyn Kelly Show
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All medicine comes with contraindications. You're treating this as an all or nothing proposition, which is why I called your post hyperbole.
As a.person that grew up in the US and my children in the US. I had to provide vaccine status all through school. Including college when I moved into the dorms.
My daughter, a college student, had to provide vaccine status for measles, small pox, polio, etc.
My school age children in high school must provide vaccine status.
I'm in CA. If you research vaccine mandates; Mississippi has one of the strongest in the country, except for Covid.
There is clear cut law that mandates by schools, employers and even the government are legal. In 1905 the supreme court decided and it has been precedent for 115 years.
Help me out then. Explain asymptomatic spread. Explain Israel. Explain Uttar Pradesh.
Stop demonizing everyone. Encourage people to get the shot to protect themselves. Most are not bad people.
Next they'll be saying that the 1905 precedent should allow for involuntary sterilization of women!
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