Apple to Require COVID Testing for Employees Starting Next Month, Still No Vaccine Mandate

[rpmurray]

Vaccine or no vaccine-both can get/transmit. Why test unvaccinated more?

It's because the unvaccinated have proven themselves to be a bunch of *******s that will behave irresponsibly (like not wearing masks or social distancing) while the vaccinated have proven that they will do what's necessary to keep themselves and their loved ones safe.

 

[jimbobb24]

Generalisms are not getting you there. Never read an article of you @jimbobb24 so you're probably not an expert.
Science does not walk without sources.

Here are some of mine (reinfection) and (breakthrough)

Did you just cite a paper estimating reinfection rates from....May of 2020. Thats....thats embarrassing. We have actual reinfection rates now. But...you just showed you are out of your depth and dont know the data.

Just because you haven’t read my research doesnt mean it doesnt exist. Although...in a funny irony maybe you have read it and you didnt even know it.

 

[Xtir]

Please cite a source that shows that. Thats not what the UK, Israel, or Italy published reports show on reinfection rates. In those reports it was longer lasting than vaccines, better against delta (reinfection rate was stable).

here you will find the opposite..

 

[aesc80]

”Reports that antibodies from a recovered patient is similar to those with vaccine”

Antibodies dont mean anything when you have actual measures of reinfection. We now have them. Survivors do the best...not close. They dont transmit the virus, they have the lowest risk of getting the disease or hospitalization. This used to be unknown...its not anymore.

Splitting the country into vaccinated and unvaccinated is dumb. We need to focus on immune (survivors and vaccinated) and unimmune. Other countries are already thinking that way...the US is backwards.

Just a google search of "Covid survivors vs. vaccinated" tells a different story, but that's up to what people want to believe. It's a shotgun blast of statements, all of them backed by science.

 

[siddavis]

Pretty much unvaccinated people are clogging up ICU and transmitting en messes. Your personal choice is making you sick, other sick, taking up all ICU spaces, delaying life saving surgeries. Folks are dying because people refuse get vaccine and refunds put mask on.

People who refuse get vaccine should not get any rights and freedom. They should be sent of to an island, so we can get over COVID

Sheesh, you again... I see you haven't learned anything from your drubbing on privacy and the 4th amendment. Come back when you understand that in the US, the foundation is LIBERTY and when you learn the definition of it. This country was founded to escape tyranny, not to succumb to it.

 

[Xtir]

Did you just cite a paper estimating reinfection rates from....May of 2020. Thats....thats embarrassing. We have actual reinfection rates now. But...you just showed you are out of your depth and dont know the data.

Just because you haven’t read my research doesnt mean it doesnt exist. Although...in a funny irony maybe you have read it and you didnt even know it.

And still refusing to deliver facts.. trying to make it personal does not make it superior my friend.

At least you know where to find facts..

 

[blueflame]

here you will find the opposite..

seems to show the science is anything but settles. you shouldn't mandate what is still unknown. it is going both ways. since is the debate, not the use of force

 

[jimbobb24]

And now people are refusing a free vaccine because they heard a livestock dewormer helps? I personally know farmers who are having trouble getting dewormer for their livestock because people decided that Joe Rogan knows more than their local doctor.

I have no strong opinion on ivermectin (data looks like its probably not helpful) but can we stop with the dumb takes calling it a livestock dewormer? Yes it is...It is is also being given to all the Afghan refugees and being given to most people who come to the US. Its a drug for humans...dont just repeat silly polarizing stuff on the internet.

 

[Aoligei]

Sheesh, you again... I see you haven't learned anything from your drubbing on privacy and the 4th amendment. Come back when you understand that in the US, the foundation is LIBERTY and when you learn the definition of it. This country was founded to escape tyranny, not to succumb to it.

I don’t give a **** about your liberty. The fact you are willing to risk other people’s life means you don’t deserve any liberty or freedom.

In fact, I think the sole reason that COVID is out of control in United State is because your so called liberty.

People who willing ignore science, refuse to follow public health measure, refuse get vaccine do not deserve freedom and liberty.

Vaccine mandate and vaccine passport cannot come soon enough. Eventually, people like you will have no where to go. This can’t come soon enough.

 

[jicon]

Vaccine or no vaccine-both can get/transmit. Why test unvaccinated more?

Greater risk they could spread virus to others I suppose?

I guess my biggest gripe with those who can get vaccinated and do not is looking at hospital ICUs. A vast majority around the world have unvaccinated individuals occupying those beds, giving less opportunity to treat others. Cancer, knee surgery, etc.

If you don't want to take one of the vaccines available, the traditional AstraZeneca formula, or the newer mRNA vaccines, fine. But waive your spot in ICU if it comes to that point, and please be wary of the immunocompromised.

 

[jimbobb24]

And still refusing to deliver facts.. trying to make it personal does not make it superior my friend.

At least you know where to find facts..

Is it my fault you embarrassed yourself and dont know the current literature? Now I need to educate you on the data?Sure...you need me to find the studies for you.. ok buddy.


<1% risk of reinfection, vaccinated 6x more likely to have breakthrough than CV19 survivors to have reinfection (adjusted data)

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1



1% risk of reinfection

https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab345/6251701



1.4% risk of reinfection

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00675-9/fulltext



0% risk of reinfection

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.01.21258176v2



0.34% risk of reinfection at 1 year

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2780557

 

[januarydrive7]

Funny, I've been mandated to either show proof of immunity or present my vaccine record many times throughout life, prior to all this hullabaloo about covid-19.

Every school, up through university, has required this. I worked for some time for social services (federally funded institution), which required this. One of my parents works in healthcare and has always been required to comply with these types of mandates. Why is it that proof regarding covid-19 is any different than the vast array of other things most of us have always been required to adhere to? Why is this a violation of our freedom and liberty, but it never was before?

One thing is for sure: regardless of covid's actual affects, it has certainly become a major political weapon, from both extremes.

 

[one more]

For people who like to make their informed decisions based on facts and numbers, please see this:

COVID-19 cases | WHO COVID-19 dashboard

The latest data for coronavirus (COVID-19) cases from the WHO COVID-19 dashboard.

covid19.who.int

Compare the case numbers for the same period one year ago (pre-vaccines) and today. These are all the official WHO figures, no nonsense.

 

[Xtir]

I have no strong opinion on ivermectin (data looks like its probably not helpful) but can we stop with the dumb takes calling it a livestock dewormer? Yes it is...It is is also being given to all the Afghan refugees and being given to most people who come to the US. Its a drug for humans...dont just repeat silly polarizing stuff on the internet.

Wrong again, it is not given to people to whom you should not prescribe it to. It is not researched nor approved for Covid-19. Preventive use is not recommended (eufemism)

And yes it is (mostly used as) a livestock dewormer.

Tell facts, not fiction

 

[jimbobb24]

here you will find the opposite..

Pick one study to evaluation. You linked to a search. if you read all those studies just pick the best ones.

 

[jimbobb24]

Wrong again, it is not given to people to whom you should not prescribe it to. It is not researched nor approved for Covid-19. Preventive use is not recommended (eufemism)

And yes it is (mostly used as) a livestock dewormer.

Tell facts, not fiction

Everything I said was correct. I think you got your feelings hurt.

 

[Xtir]

Finally, we are getting somewhere, trying to substantiate, now we can have a discussion about knowledge. (Despite the language)

Do you think these studies have any predictive value at all?

 

[Xtir]

Everything I said was correct. I think you got your feelings hurt.

Not really, I'm just not in for an 'expert' opinion, not even incognito.

 

[siddavis]

Opinion? or fact? then substantiate please..

Please, I was poking. Supply of everything is limited at some point. Socialism uses centralized authority to tranche everything out through rationing because it controls the means of production (supply) as well.

 

[Rocko99991]

Greater risk they could spread virus to others I suppose?

I guess my biggest gripe with those who can get vaccinated and do not is looking at hospital ICUs. A vast majority around the world have unvaccinated individuals occupying those beds, giving less opportunity to treat others. Cancer, knee surgery, etc.

If you don't want to take one of the vaccines available, the traditional AstraZeneca formula, or the newer mRNA vaccines, fine. But waive your spot in ICU if it comes to that point, and please be wary of the immunocompromised.

Should the alcoholics, opioid addicts, smokers, overeaters waive their right to a bed in ICU? I should get priority treatment because I take care of my body, no?

 

[siddavis]

To clarify: I don’t believe in a “get a vaccine or go to jail” situation. But healthcare workers, kids going to school and such, who are already required to get vaccines for various other diseases should be required to be vaccinated.

Do kids get the shingles vaccine? Why or why not?

 

[Xtir]

Ok. So you think airborne illnesses are like STDs and blood borne transmission? You should read more.

As should you before imposing as an expert, but did you read this: (liability) ?

 

[siddavis]

Yes it's a personal choice, but it should also carry consequence. If they get sick from COVID they should pay extra for treatments or get in back or line to treat those got the shot already. Consequence.

We don't behave like this for anything else. I'd hate for these same "authorities" to examine your lifestyle and determine which things you will and will not be treated for should something come from said lifestyle. It's a disgusting world in which you propose.

 

[IIGS User]

I got vaccinated as soon as I could at work. I work with the public and people who have reduced access to health care and I considered it my obligation to do what I could to keep those people from potentially becoming infected.

This was months AFTER I contracted Covid and recovered.

I’m also not fond of ventilators, hospitals, etc.

 

[BreakingKayfabe]

I don’t give a **** about your liberty. The fact you are willing to risk other people’s life means you don’t deserve any liberty or freedom.

In fact, I think the sole reason that COVID is out of control in United State is because your so called liberty.

People who willing ignore science, refuse to follow public health measure, refuse get vaccine do not deserve freedom and liberty.

Vaccine mandate and vaccine passport cannot come soon enough. Eventually, people like you will have no where to go. This can’t come soon enough.

Covid elitism right here, folks. ^^^^