Apple to Require COVID Testing for Employees Starting Next Month, Still No Vaccine Mandate

[jimbobb24]

Finally, we are getting somewhere, trying to substantiate, now we can have a discussion about knowledge. (Despite the language)

Do you think these studies have any predictive value at all?

LOL. Man you are hilarious.

These studies confirm longstanding understanding of the human immune systems and viruses. A better question might be....what if they have no predictive value? Who cares because I wasn’t writing a dissertation on natural immunity and the pandemic. Some ignorant people (like you) who dont know CV19 data were repeating stuff we didnt know in May 2020 as if it was relevant today and that they hear on TV and I corrected them (and you) with a simple statement and you got involved because I guess you thought you were clever but you also dont know the data....

The studies answer the question people were debating ..... (drumroll) if the vaccine is better than natural immunity to the best of current knowledge at granting durable immunity. These studies confirm that natural immunity is better in Sept 2021 after we have been dealing with CV19 for 18 months. Thats was all I was saying...these studies confirm it. Its not a big deal. Its a simple But important point. I am sure you will link to some other thing you think is convincing that you havent actually read but that shows you can search the internet like a champ. I read those studies I linked to and am familiar with them. Thats why I knew you didnt know the current data and then you linked to something no one current on CV19 controversies would link to.

 

[Xtir]

Please, I was poking. Supply of everything is limited at some point. Socialism uses centralized authority to tranche everything out through rationing because in controls the means of production (supply) as well.

Ok, you know you're describing the US to be a socialistic state?

 

[alpi123]

I would rather people live a long healthier life then worrying about if it’s approved or not.

(not covid-19 vaccine related):

How do you know you're gonna live a long and healthy life if you get injected with something and not worry about what it could be LOL

 

[Apple2GS]

Maybe working from home is the solution after all.

 

[Xtir]

LOL. Man you are hilarious.

These studies confirm longstanding understanding of the human immune systems and viruses. A better question might be....what if they have no predictive value? Who cares because I wasn’t writing a dissertation on natural immunity and the pandemic. Some ignorant people (like you) who dont know CV19 data were repeating stuff we didnt know in May 2020 as if it was relevant today and that they hear on TV and I corrected them (and you) with a simple statement and you got involved because I guess you thought you were clever but you also dont know the data....

The studies answer the question people were debating ..... (drumroll) if the vaccine is better than natural immunity to the best of current knowledge at granting durable immunity. These studies confirm that it is in Sept 2021 after we have been dealing with CV19 for 18 months. Thats was all I was saying...these studies confirm it. Its not a big deal. Its a simple But important point. I am sure you will link to some other thing you think is convincing that you havent actually read but that shows you can search the internet like a champ. I read those studies I linked to and am familiar with them. Thats why I knew you didnt know the current data and then you linked to something no one current on CV19 controversies would link to.

Manners, manners, there you go again, glad you picked up some well needed knowledge today.

 

[wigby]

The natural progression of viral pandemics has been that variants develop, but typically more transmissible and less deadly. Here, we have injected (pun intended) a vaccine right in the middle of the peak of the alpha spread and and are witnessing the impact of a vaccine on the variants. Can you tell us based on historical precedent what the impact of a vaccine will have on variants that develop? Will they be more/less transmissible and more/less deadly? In line with historical viral pandemics?

I'm also mostly challenging your "..specifically from unvaccinated transmission of COVID.." statement. If the transmission is unique to the unvaxed, then why do I have this face diaper on as a fully vaccinated person?

I'm not seeing a clear consensus on your assertions. According to experts, mutated viruses can become more deadly as they spread easier. I'm also seeing the theory that more transmissible viruses end up being deadlier than just a dealer virus that isn't as transmissible. But I don't have time to read up more on this so I defer to experts working with our leaders at this time for that.

Masks serve multiple purposes. They protect unmasked from spread. They protect masked (lesser extent) from spread. They alleviate fears that people or organizations don't take the spread seriously. They remind all of us that we are still in the middle of a pandemic and need to comply with public health guidelines regardless of our personal views or inconvenience.

I'm assuming you are mostly questioning the first ones I list. Since we are seeing breakthrough cases in the vaccinated, aside from quarantine or distancing, a mask becomes the only way to slow the spread while still resuming normal life.

 

[TheWatchfulOne]

Sure, let me know when a new study reveals that gravity doesn't exist.

What does gravity have to do with the vaccine?

 

[siddavis]

Ok, you know you're describing the US to be a socialistic state?

Am I? Explain. (and please don't link to some search results)

 

[wigby]

Nothing is 100% safe in life. Talking to pro-mandated masking, pro-mandated lockdown, and pro-mandated vax people, it's clear that their insistence that others relinquish their liberty and autonomy has moved away from caution and further towards selfishness. See what I did there?

Personal freedoms stop when they negatively affect the health of others' personal freedoms. We're not talking about intellectual, spiritual or freedoms of expression but rather health freedoms.

There is no conclusive evidence that vaccinations harm the population more than the virus itself. There is clear evidence that vaccines effectively stop the virus from killing more people.

 

[Xtir]

Am I? Explain. (and please don't link to some search results)

😎 The US used centralized authority to tranche everything (the vaccine) out through rationing because it (in any shape or form) controlled the means of production (supply). (link) (sorry)

 

[jimbobb24]

Manners, manners, there you go again, glad you picked up some well needed knowledge today.

You are like the kid who comes to class never having read the book and then acts arrogant when people ask him to be quiet and stop getting in arguments with everyone. And then says....glad they picked up some knowledge. Sigh...kids these days just reveling in absolute proud ignorance that they think they can gloss over with internet searches.

Don't know, perhaps @jimbobb24 does?

Obviously I hurt your feelings more than needed....just ask the teacher if you can see the school counselor. They should help you be able to work out being wrong on the internet. Don’t worry it will pass...I am wrong on the internet most the time (just not about this narrow issue I know the research on) and somehow I soldier on.

 

[eatrains]

What’s the rate of transmission from health care workers to pts? The rate of transmission from pts to healthcare workers was 30%. Going the other way we dont have good data but appears extremely rare. So, all those heroes who took a 30% chance to get CV19 now shouldnt work with patients if they dont want to take the vaccine.

We live in clown world.

How do you know it's rare of you don't have good data? Don't assume things simply because they support your agenda.

 

[Xtir]

I am wrong on the internet most the time and somehow I soldier on.

now I am lost for words.. as you are on facts..

 

[Xtir]

Covid elitism right here, folks. ^^^^

Covid, contract it while you still can, folks! This puzzle will solve itself, sooner or later.

 

[eatrains]

Should the alcoholics, opioid addicts, smokers, overeaters waive their right to a bed in ICU? I should get priority treatment because I take care of my body, no?

None of them cause hospitals to overflow, nor is there a free, fast, and simple solution to their problems.

 

[duervo]

Funny, I've been mandated to either show proof of immunity or present my vaccine record many times throughout life, prior to all this hullabaloo about covid-19.

Every school, up through university, has required this. I worked for some time for social services (federally funded institution), which required this. One of my parents works in healthcare and has always been required to comply with these types of mandates. Why is it that proof regarding covid-19 is any different than the vast array of other things most of us have always been required to adhere to? Why is this a violation of our freedom and liberty, but it never was before?

One thing is for sure: regardless of covid's actual affects, it has certainly become a major political weapon, from both extremes.

One theory is that anti-vaccination groups have used this situation to pounce on the hesitant, and have added their “voice” to the plethora of misinformation being proliferated via social media.

Then, there are other groups that have their own agendas, that are also capitalizing on this or using it to push their “messages” to the hesitant … again, using social media.

On a related note … Social media, in turn, have algorithms implemented that will put content in the feeds of their users that align with those user’s past content preferences. Creates an echo chamber, and one in which some people have been worked up into an almost cultish frenzy.

It applies to both sides of the spectrum too (for vs against, liberal vs conservative, etc.,) and also has a side effect of removing any “middle ground.” End result? A spreading of attitudes like “you’re either with us, or against us.”

 

[wigby]

Should the alcoholics, opioid addicts, smokers, overeaters waive their right to a bed in ICU? I should get priority treatment because I take care of my body, no?

You're talking about physically addicted individuals, not people who necessarily made poor choices. I do not believe they overwhelm ICUs. Of course poor judgement that stems from substance use/abuse does overwhelm the ICU regularly but that doesn't mean you get any priority over them.

People who chose not to get vaccinated will "pay" one way or another. The problem is that their personal freedom interferes with the freedoms of others who also made a choice.

 

[dk001]

Nobody ever claims a vaccine makes you immune to Covid. It’s like an airbag in your car. Vaccinated people rarely end up on ventilators for a month, only to drown in their own lungs anyway - which is a pretty typical trajectory for unvaccinated Covid patients on ventilators.

Yes, a few vaccinated people still die of Covid… they’re usually very old, very fat, or have other comorbidities such as cancers. Often a combination of these.

His wife explained it this way “our ICU is all unvaccinated people who are begging us for the vaccine now that death is very real… why do you want to be in that position when you can make that 1 in 100 chance become 1 in 10,000?

I have lost track how many times I have heard this on tv, news, media, etc….
Get the vaccine and you won’t infect other people! Get it now….

i bet one of the top questions asked are 1. Can I stil get COVID? The vaccine makes me immune.

 

[BreakingKayfabe]

Covid, contract it while you still can, folks! This puzzle will solve itself, sooner or later.

I’m positive I’ve contracted it. Maybe before I was vaccinated. Who cares.

 

[ajfahey]

Oh boy!

Looks like a safe approach politically but really a risky one if you weigh in the health risks considering that more than 40% people are still not fully vaccinated in CA and their are 12,000 new cases each day.

The dirty secret is that a large percentage of those “cases” are with people that have been vaccinated. Fortunately, the vaccinated cases are far less often fatal. That is not to say that there are no significant fatality numbers Among the vaccinated, especially among the aged in skilled nursing facilities.

 

[currocj]

Top Doctors Speculate a Reversal on COVID Vaccine Safety Could Be Coming

Writing in an op-ed for the Wall Street Journal, UCLA Geffen School of Medicine Doctor Joseph Lapado

townhall.com

 

[ajfahey]

Haha that was the old science definition. They've recently updated the definition. New science is always settled immediately and new questions are not allowed.

I so wish that wasn’t 100% accurate.

 

[ajfahey]

Your personal choice is killing others.

Get the shot or expect to be ignored at every major event, hospital etc. in the very near future.

That would be a violation of the Hippocratic oath of medicine and be unethical. You do support ethical behavior from our medical community, don’t you?

 

[ajfahey]

Team Moderna and will get a booster if recommended. Get one if you can to help get this junk behind us.

Like the flu, this virus will never be “behind us”. It will continue to mutate, just like all viruses.

 

[currocj]

no need to vaccinate the naturally immune

No point vaccinating those who’ve had COVID-19: Cleveland Clinic study suggests

The study findings reveal that individuals with previous SARS-CoV-2 infection do not get additional benefits from vaccination, indicating that COVID-19 vaccines should be prioritized to individuals without prior infection. The study is currently available on the medRxiv* preprint server.

www.news-medical.net