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Because the typical action movie does not give kids unrealistic expectations about violence.
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We manage to keep kids away from violence (well, if you're a good parent) and the violence they are exposed to at an age appropriate level is usually interpreted as fantasy/not real. If this weren't the case we'd have loonies running all over walking away from explosions in slow motion only to get shred by shrapnel. We'd have people jumping around shooting guns in weird ways.
I just don't buy the media-drastically-changes-the-consumer line of reasoning. Yes, it effects people. But if they have more influences, such as real people, in their lives they usually make the appropriate decisions. We don't live in a vacuum.
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We manage to keep kids away from violence (well, if you're a good parent) and the violence they are exposed to at an age appropriate level is usually interpreted as fantasy/not real. If this weren't the case we'd have loonies running all over walking away from explosions in slow motion only to get shred by shrapnel. We'd have people jumping around shooting guns in weird ways.
I just don't buy the media-drastically-changes-the-consumer line of reasoning. Yes, it effects people. But if they have more influences, such as real people, in their lives they usually make the appropriate decisions. We don't live in a vacuum.
This is a small taste of what happens once Jobs is not looking ....
Geee, they could have waited a bit longer to pull this crap - he just went on medical leave and they already change stuff.
Geee, they could have waited a bit longer to pull this crap - he just went on medical leave and they already change stuff.
I do not like (at all) that for some (many?) parenting seems to be an afterthought or that there's little to no accountability like there used to be. Now parents rely on teachers, counselors, group leaders, etc to raise their children and hold THEM accountable for their child's upbringing. Very sad.
If you're a parent - and you can't be bothered to learn how to block content and/or put privacy settings on a device then either don't let your child use it - or learn. Period.
And yes - kids/teens will always try to figure out a way around it or whatever.. but that's how it's always been.
It's so much easier to blame Apple and other people than to solve the problem at home, right? Sad.
I was a youth group advisor for a few years. The kids were 14-18. There was a group event at a hotel for the 17/18 year olds at a hotel. When we left, the hotel had given us a bill for a few elevator buttons that were pulled off and had video of our kids doing it. There were 9 advisors and about 50 kids. A very good ratio.
When a meeting was held with ALL the parents (not just the offenders) later that month (not related to this incident) - a few parents had the gaul to accuse the advisors of being responsible for the incident since WE should have been looking after them at all times.
Fortunately - there were a few parents who spoke up first - stating what we already were thinking. And that was - if your child gets to the age of 17/18 and they don't understand that vandalizing property is wrong - then that says more about parenting than it does about the advisors responsibility.
If you're a parent - and you can't be bothered to learn how to block content and/or put privacy settings on a device then either don't let your child use it - or learn. Period.
And yes - kids/teens will always try to figure out a way around it or whatever.. but that's how it's always been.
It's so much easier to blame Apple and other people than to solve the problem at home, right? Sad.
I was a youth group advisor for a few years. The kids were 14-18. There was a group event at a hotel for the 17/18 year olds at a hotel. When we left, the hotel had given us a bill for a few elevator buttons that were pulled off and had video of our kids doing it. There were 9 advisors and about 50 kids. A very good ratio.
When a meeting was held with ALL the parents (not just the offenders) later that month (not related to this incident) - a few parents had the gaul to accuse the advisors of being responsible for the incident since WE should have been looking after them at all times.
Fortunately - there were a few parents who spoke up first - stating what we already were thinking. And that was - if your child gets to the age of 17/18 and they don't understand that vandalizing property is wrong - then that says more about parenting than it does about the advisors responsibility.
At first I was mildly interested by this, but the more I thought about it, the more excited I became. I could feel my pulse speeding up, my blood pressure rising.
I mean... just think of the possibilities! Retina display. Accurate flesh tones.... oh yeah, that's it. Haptic feedback. You know you want it. LOUDER SPEAKERS... GIVE IT TO ME!!! FLASH-ENABLED browsing!! OHHH MYY GAWWWDDDDD!!!!
Phew! You know, on second thought, I just lost interest in the whole thing. Think I'll go fix myself a snack.
I mean... just think of the possibilities! Retina display. Accurate flesh tones.... oh yeah, that's it. Haptic feedback. You know you want it. LOUDER SPEAKERS... GIVE IT TO ME!!! FLASH-ENABLED browsing!! OHHH MYY GAWWWDDDDD!!!!
Phew! You know, on second thought, I just lost interest in the whole thing. Think I'll go fix myself a snack.
half the stuff i read in cosmopolitan and other woman's mags are the same thing as porn except no one acting it out in pictures
I like to use that violence comparison and obviusly i would keep my children away from it till a certain age just because a five year old has not fully understood the concept of whats real and whar issent.
But just like i argued with sex before, i also think viloence, violent phantasys and the abilety to differ betwen whats real and whats not is something very human.
Just look at how grusom faritales are, people still tell them to their kids and they have been toled many many years.
If your son goes on a killing spree in his school it´s not because you let him play EgoShooters on your iPad. He is also not turning into a crazy rapist because he has seen breast in a photograph. The paranoia your teaching is the real evil...
But just like i argued with sex before, i also think viloence, violent phantasys and the abilety to differ betwen whats real and whats not is something very human.
Just look at how grusom faritales are, people still tell them to their kids and they have been toled many many years.
If your son goes on a killing spree in his school it´s not because you let him play EgoShooters on your iPad. He is also not turning into a crazy rapist because he has seen breast in a photograph. The paranoia your teaching is the real evil...
1) I was addressing the generally relaxed attitude towards porn rather than the issue of the playboy application itself. I hope this response is more complete.
2) I clearly stated that not all porn is violent etc. Also, I didn't say that all porn objectifies women. That said, since you agree that the majority does then shall we just say that this point stands?
3) With regard to the issue of violence I was addressing the point that had been made a number of times within the thread. I'm not attacking you so please don't be so defensive.
4) Yes, I did not cite sources. Nor do I intend to. This is a forum. I am not writing a thesis. All my statements should be taken as personal opinions and I claim no authority on these matters other than that of a concerned member of the public. That said, stating that the divorce rates in one country that has a lot of porn in it are similar to those in another country that has a lot of porn in it hardly passes as evidence for the idea that porn does not impact relationships.
I think my main point was that sex and porn are not the same thing and, as such, we should consider what porn really is and whether a healthy attitude towards sex is the same as a liberal attitude towards porn or whether being against the increased availability of porn means you have a problem with sex. My choice of your post to quote was merely one of convenience in that you addressed some of the issues on which I wanted to comment and yours was the last one I saw. Please don't take it personally.
I understand that you're tired but the fact you had the presence of mind to place a disclaimer before your rather aggressive post would suggest you are not so tired as to be unable to control your tone. I would appreciate if you would in future.
Unfortunately many children spend more time interacting with violent games and video than socializing. I think you are over simplifying the effects. Jumping around and waving guns in weird ways? That is the only outcome? It doesn't have to manifest in outright violence to have an effect.
I understand your argument to a point. I grew up with bugs bunny and I heard these arguments about violence from cartoons and rejected them because the imagery was not realistic. But as a teenager I noticed myself that there was a difference between the outright over the top silliness in bugs bunny and a cartoon that draws people in a realistic manner. I realized even then that there was a greater need to explain the realities of say he-man or super man over bugs bunny. The cartoons drawn of real people while not realistic to an adult have a bit more reality in terms of physics built into the world setting.
Didn't Apple already declare when they locked down the App Store that "established" content like Sports Illustrated and Playboy were fine. While not porn, Im sure Sports Illustrated Swimsuit content is still on the App store, but contravenes the rules that had all the rest of the glamour Apps removed?
Apple has lost it's advantage
Too bad Apple doesn't realize it's advantage is that parents have to worry less about what their children access via iTunes. IMO, most of American adults don't want to see adult material either.
Don't give me the line "if you don't like it, don't view it". I'm still tainted by an iTunes store in my house that sells porn. I still get exposed to the ads, etc. I don't shop in brick and mortar stores where I have to view the shrink-wrapped porn mags.
Victoria Secret is a great example of what will happen. They used to be a small corner shop in the malls. Now they have their own TV shows and prime time commercials that force everyone to watch them.
Don't give me the line "the human body is beautiful". It sure is, created by God.
Don't give me the line "there's nothing wrong with sex". There sure isn't. Showing the naked bodies of women to men to get them sexually aroused isn't what sex was created for.
Don't tell me "don't be a prude". Our bodies are wonderful and there is an intended purpose for them. It's fun and exciting. We don't need to enter into perversion to have fun.
Too bad Apple doesn't realize it's advantage is that parents have to worry less about what their children access via iTunes. IMO, most of American adults don't want to see adult material either.
Don't give me the line "if you don't like it, don't view it". I'm still tainted by an iTunes store in my house that sells porn. I still get exposed to the ads, etc. I don't shop in brick and mortar stores where I have to view the shrink-wrapped porn mags.
Victoria Secret is a great example of what will happen. They used to be a small corner shop in the malls. Now they have their own TV shows and prime time commercials that force everyone to watch them.
Don't give me the line "the human body is beautiful". It sure is, created by God.
Don't give me the line "there's nothing wrong with sex". There sure isn't. Showing the naked bodies of women to men to get them sexually aroused isn't what sex was created for.
Don't tell me "don't be a prude". Our bodies are wonderful and there is an intended purpose for them. It's fun and exciting. We don't need to enter into perversion to have fun.
The objectification of woman is hardwired into the male brain since day one, it's biology and porn is just an expression of it. There, I killed any further discussion on the matter
There is no problem with sex as long you use a condom.
The only disaster that can come from sex is:
1. Having a kid as my roomate has.
2. Diseases.
In fact, the best ways to persuade people of not having sex is to show them a video of my 5yo roomate kid who visit us a few days a week. the kid is so annoying, spoiled, noisy and idiotic, he was actually a mistake my roomate has to deal with now. The problem is that piece of sh*** has become my karma as well because I live here!
Time to move!
But, that is what happen when you do not have the correct sexual education.
The only disaster that can come from sex is:
1. Having a kid as my roomate has.
2. Diseases.
In fact, the best ways to persuade people of not having sex is to show them a video of my 5yo roomate kid who visit us a few days a week. the kid is so annoying, spoiled, noisy and idiotic, he was actually a mistake my roomate has to deal with now. The problem is that piece of sh*** has become my karma as well because I live here!
Time to move!
But, that is what happen when you do not have the correct sexual education.
I don't think the two are the same thing. Though humans are capable of violence the very act of being aggressive is very unpleasant to most people. You know how you feel when you accidentally hurt someone? You feel terrible, right? We may be capable of violence but it is not, as some would claim, in the nature of humans to be violent. For the vast majority of people acting in a violent manner is something that requires extreme provocation. Even then we do not enjoy it.
Sex, on the other hand, is something we all have a natural urge to do. While most people will never deliberately cause someone an injury in their entire life, the vast majority will have sex often. Thus, anything that can skew our expectations of sex has a direct impact with a very central plank of what it means to be a human.
In most regards I think a closer analogy is to how we treat children when it comes to food. We know that children want to eat sweets all the time but we don't want them to grow up with bad habits and eating food which will make them ill. So we take great pains to ensure that our kids don't grow up thinking that vegetables are yucky and that a cheese sandwich and a packet of crisps is a suitable evening meal. If we want a child to grow up with a good attitude towards sex (since we know that, like eating, having sex is something he or she will want to do for most of their life!) then we should think hard about what ideas about sex we allow them to be exposed to.
To clarify - you're OK with the amount of violence and drugs that are show on TV, in video games, movies, etc but not a simple naked body? Just want to be sure I'm reading you correctly.
Playboy isn't real porn. Methinks Barely Legal or Hustler would score more points in that arena. But a good step in the right direction for those silly Americans who are too abashed to admit sex.
And Client 9 rules!
And Client 9 rules!
You do realize that the iTunes Music Store sells plenty of music that carries an "Explicit" lyrics tag (thanks Tipper!), and that the iTunes Movie store carries plenty of R-rated "strong sexual content" material that is just as explicit as Playboy, iBooks is full of "Romance" novels that are plenty steamy ...
All are protected/protectable by parental controls.
Why should the App Store follow different rules?
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Yeah, I seem to recall this little hypocrisy from Apple. Only porno from their "friends" was OK, everyone else was not.