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Apple to Start Allowing Adult Content on iPad

TigerWoodsIV said:
i don't see what the big deal is. it's going to be paid content, so kids will have to have a credit card or some way of paying for it that their parents can see, and honestly what you can get on safari for free is insanely more graphic than playboy.

i don't see why any of this is a big deal anyway. america needs to chill out. if parents don't want their kids looking at porn then monitor their internet access. i doubt a kid is going to pay for this when they can access this stuff anywhere with an internet connection. people need to relax, it's not like playboy is even that "offensive" compared to other content online
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I think the point needs to be repeated that this isn't about responding to the complaints of parents. Comcast certainly gets parental complaints about their hardcore porn offerings, and those parents get the big middle finger.

This is about what Apple wants to sell in their stores. Steve Jobs is anti-porn. He doesn't want to sell it. Whatever moral calculus he has used to decide that Playboy isn't porn is besides the point. It's about his business and conscience.

If you had a store and were personally very anti-gun, you probably wouldn't sell guns and ammo. If you were anti-tobacco, and selling tobacco products would weigh on your conscience, you probably wouldn't sell tobacco. I doubt anyone would argue against your right to make this decision.
 
WestonHarvey1 said:
Some men are actually addicted to porn and it interferes with their ability to live a normal life. They have to write off porn, even that which "comes at them in good taste", just to function. Are they closed-minded as well?
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And yet other men surf porn to give them ideas of new things to try in bed to keep their partners interested and satisfied. This may shock you to learn, but there is mire to sex than missionary. If you think you can't learn anything for a professional, then I feel for your wife.

Even if you're only concerned for mens welfare, as a few of you seem to be, consider that not every man is capable of or even desires having a "normal love life". Some have no time, some simply have no interest in women beyond a sexual level. I can think of at leasta dozen men i know who fit that description, but subscribed to your "normal love life" concept, and are headed along with over 50% of other married couples, for a divorce. Blaming it on the wickedness of seeing a women naked breast in a photo is misguided at best and I'm not even going to say what at worst.
 
MrMoore said:
I never done this before but....



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America: Violence OK, Sex AHHHH!!!!! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!

:rolleyes:
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This is a fallacy. First of all, most parents don't let their kids watch movies or play games with "exploding heads" in them, regardless of their political persuasion. This is a phony comparison constantly brought up to show some supposed hypocrisy.

Kids who see some degree of violence in a drama on television, however, don't go out and act on this. Kids who see porn DO go into their bedrooms and masturbate, and begin chasing after more porn. Maybe you can argue this is perfectly healthy, but it does motivate real human behavior in a way that depictions of violence do not. So they're not the same.

For everyone that thinks its ok for their kids to see porn - that means they'd have no problem with a guy in the park in a trench coat walking up to them and exposing himself, right? It's just nature.
 
WestonHarvey1 said:
I think the point needs to be repeated that this isn't about responding to the complaints of parents. Comcast certainly gets parental complaints about their hardcore porn offerings, and those parents get the big middle finger.

This is about what Apple wants to sell in their stores. Steve Jobs is anti-porn. He doesn't want to sell it. Whatever moral calculus he has used to decide that Playboy isn't porn is besides the point. It's about his business and conscience.

If you had a store and were personally very anti-gun, you probably wouldn't sell guns and ammo. If you were anti-tobacco, and selling tobacco products would weigh on your conscience, you probably wouldn't sell tobacco. I doubt anyone would argue against your right to make this decision.
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I see what you're saying, but as far as selling porn playboy is pretty mild. It's also not just purely naked women...there is more content. If Steve went from nothing to offering hardcore porn videos in the iTunes movie store I'd be a little confused, but this doesn't really seem ridiculous.
 
ThunderSkunk said:
And yet other men surf porn to give them ideas of new things to try in bed to keep their partners interested and satisfied. This may shock you to learn, but there is mire to sex than missionary. If you think you can't learn anything for a professional, then I feel for your wife.
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No, it doesn't shock me to "learn" that there's more to sex than missionary, and I find it absolutely ridiculous that you would even suggest that it would. Knowing nothing about me, you've judged me to be a prude, based on an anti-pornography opinion.

It's also ridiculous to elevate pornographers to the position you have - like sex is SO hard to figure out that we need "professionals". What mundane, rudimentary thing are we going to brag about next - our potty training?
 
WestonHarvey1 said:
It's also ridiculous to elevate pornographers to the position you have - like sex is SO hard to figure out that we need "professionals". What mundane, rudimentary thing are we going to brag about next - our potty training?
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I think that's a level of kink we best leave out of this discussion. ;)
 
Whether you like it or not, it seems inevitable, the iPad is really just a modern medium for viewing content. At least you don't have to worry about the pages sticking together :eek:

I think Apple would make sure minors have no easier access to inappropriate material than buying such magazines in a store. But I do admit, it would seem creepy to see raunchy magazine apps in the App Store. I wonder if they can prevent such apps from even being visible in the App Store for minors (or anyone who wants to block them).
 
TigerWoodsIV said:
I see what you're saying, but as far as selling porn playboy is pretty mild. It's also not just purely naked women...there is more content. If Steve went from nothing to offering hardcore porn videos in the iTunes movie store I'd be a little confused, but this doesn't really seem ridiculous.
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I agree. Playboy isn't porn to me. It occupies that fuzzy gray area of "erotica". It can go either way - you can appreciate the beauty of the women, or you can use it to inflame passions, or something in between.

I wouldn't give it to my kids, but if I caught my 12 year old with it, he'd certainly get a talking to but I wouldn't be disturbed to the degree I would if I'd caught him surfing RedTube.
 
WestonHarvey1 said:
This is a fallacy. First of all, most parents don't let their kids watch movies or play games with "exploding heads" in them, regardless of their political persuasion. This is a phony comparison constantly brought up to show some supposed hypocrisy.

Kids who see some degree of violence in a drama on television, however, don't go out and act on this. Kids who see porn DO go into their bedrooms and masturbate, and begin chasing after more porn. Maybe you can argue this is perfectly healthy, but it does motivate real human behavior in a way that depictions of violence do not. So they're not the same.

For everyone that thinks its ok for their kids to see porn - that means they'd have no problem with a guy in the park in a trench coat walking up to them and exposing himself, right? It's just nature.
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I think this is a bit extreme, no? I play Call of Duty occasionally online, and all I ever hear is like 10 year olds swearing at me bc they suck and get mad when I kill them. Where are those parents? A guy exposing himself to a child is also completely different than voluntarily looking at porn. I'm an adult, and I'd call the cops on the guy in a heartbeat, but you don't do that over porn. The last comparison I wouldn't agree with is that porn motivates real human behavior in a way violent videos do not. I don't know the statistics, but I'd assume that while porn may influence behavior, it does it in a healthy and natural way for the most part. Sexuality is healthy, violence is usually not. By this I just mean that I doubt porn makes children become rapists more frequently than seeing violence makes children become criminals.
 
L-U-R-C-H said:
Think of the children????? What about adults? A marriage can be destroyed by temptations like this...
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A good one can't. And having it in the Appstore makes no difference whatsoever.

Seriously! It's like chick tracts in here.. What's happening?
 
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Hef and his mag are garbage. Nudity is natural and beautiful, but it's use in the porn sense (soft/hard) has no place in my life. It helps to errode marriages and supports addictive and self-serving behavior (if you disagree then go read published medical resources found on pubmed/NCBI, etc). Im just sad to see Apple jumping on this monetary bandwagon. There are millions of other sources that people can use to get this material. Whether or not Apple makes it available makes little difference in its availability, but supporting it is another matter.
 
powaking said:
When are people going to realize that Playboy is not porn. Maybe they should ask themselves what the difference is between porn and artistic nudity.
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While I do agree that Playboy is not porn, I believe is not artistic nudity either. To me their photos are just cliché, and as such the magazine is doing a disservice, but no harm, to both women and men.
 
Streethawk said:
If this happens, my company (one of the largest in the UK) will end its iPad trial and pursue the Playbook as its tablet solution.

The lack of official adult content is a big selling point to business.
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Your "company" must be run by gerbils. Seriously though, the lack of forethought and wanton decisions that must ensue at your company must be a sight to see. I have never before seen it as a selling point, even in the US. Any professional with a half a brain cell isn't going to spend time watching porn at work, nor have the privacy to do so-- it's also an e-magazine; if you lock down your iPads, as corporate devices often are, they won't be able to install or pay for any subscription-based services on it without your approval. Furthermore, there's the parental control settings. If you actually did work for "one of the largest" companies in the UK, I highly doubt you'd be 1) posting here about such a decision, and 2) that they would care about such an irrelevant factor as a decider over product implementation. I call bogus.

Winni said:
It shouldn't be discussed whether or not Apple should "allow" a Playboy app in their AppStore. What should be discussed is why in hypocritical America this is even a topic for discussion. You folks on the other side of the Atlantic should really grow up. Around fifty years ago, there was this thing called Sexual Revolution. It's about time that you guys catch up with the 21st century.
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I fully agree with you, for once, and I'm from the US as well. It really is a shame, no, it's pathetic. Mostly it's the older generation though, and those that are staunch proponents typically are your highly-conservative religious types, which isn't exactly representative of the entire population, however they cry the loudest. Though a stereotype, as not all proponents are religious or conservative, I find that anyone who doesn't understand the concept of parenting or parental controls is perhaps a larger detriment to society itself, and should instead focus on their personal lives (and parenting!) instead of imposing their beliefs and values so heavily upon others. In case people were wondering though, no, I'm not a high flying liberal either ;)
 
I don't have kids yet, but if I did I rather them see "boobs" instead of something extremely violent. Playboy is really tame compared to actual porn. I know it's an old joke that goes, I buy it for the articles, well, I really do!

It's ashamed that softcore pictures of naked women no longer excite me, once you've seen the hardcore stuff Playboy is nothing. :p
 
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TigerWoodsIV said:
I think this is a bit extreme, no? I play Call of Duty occasionally online, and all I ever hear is like 10 year olds swearing at me bc they suck and get mad when I kill them. Where are those parents? A guy exposing himself to a child is also completely different than voluntarily looking at porn. I'm an adult, and I'd call the cops on the guy in a heartbeat, but you don't do that over porn. The last comparison I wouldn't agree with is that porn motivates real human behavior in a way violent videos do not. I don't know the statistics, but I'd assume that while porn may influence behavior, it does it in a healthy and natural way for the most part. Sexuality is healthy, violence is usually not. By this I just mean that I doubt porn makes children become rapists more frequently than seeing violence makes children become criminals.
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I largely agree with you, and I also encounter a lot of 10 year olds on CoD. But I'm willing to make a couple concessions:

1. A lot of their parents are bad parents ( ever hear something like: "Billy, do your homework!" "F%$@ Y#$ mom, I'm in a game!")
2. CoD isn't all that gory, it's a lot like playing with G.I. Joes

I still think 10 is too young for CoD. And I would never let my kids play with anything that has sadistic content. And sometimes it's the single player I don't like - Black Ops tried to be all Apocalypse Now/Deer Hunter, MW2 has that "No Russian" mission that I found very disturbing to play as an adult.
 
ormed14 said:
It helps to errode marriages and supports addictive and self-serving behavior (if you disagree then go read published medical resources found on pubmed/NCBI, etc).
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No, you make a claim, you need to back it up, not the other way around.

ormed14 said:
Im just sad to see Apple jumping on this monetary bandwagon. There are millions of other sources that people can use to get this material. Whether or not Apple makes it available makes little difference in its availability, but supporting it is another matter.
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If people are going to access it, why not make some money off of it? You said it yourself, Apple's support won't really change availability.
 
WestonHarvey1 said:
This is a fallacy. First of all, most parents don't let their kids watch movies or play games with "exploding heads" in them, regardless of their political persuasion. This is a phony comparison constantly brought up to show some supposed hypocrisy.

Kids who see some degree of violence in a drama on television, however, don't go out and act on this. Kids who see porn DO go into their bedrooms and masturbate, and begin chasing after more porn. Maybe you can argue this is perfectly healthy, but it does motivate real human behavior in a way that depictions of violence do not. So they're not the same.

For everyone that thinks its ok for their kids to see porn - that means they'd have no problem with a guy in the park in a trench coat walking up to them and exposing himself, right? It's just nature.
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Seriously?
All you have to do is turn on the tv starting at 8pm on any given night. All most every show on the major networks is full of violence. Between all the CSI's and Law and Order's and NCIS's showing ME's and detectives cracking jokes over some poor soul being disected on the autopsy table, kids have become immune to violence. I think the level of violent acts depicted on tv, in movies, and in video games is constantly being pushed by the content creators in this country (USA) and I just don't understand it. Now before you think I'm some kind of squeamish dork, I am a combat veteran Force Recon Marine who has seen more violence and bloodshed than anyone has a right to. I don't believe graphic sex is aok, but nudity certainly wont turn a kid into some kind of pervert.
 
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