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Apple to Unveil Television Set Operating System at WWDC?

Grimace said:
This could easily be an OS that is licensed for 3rd party manufacturers, like Airplay. Most people would be shocked to see Apple have its own branded TV, as that market is tough. Let Toshiba, Sharp, Sony, etc. carry the burden of selling the TVs themselves, and let Apple take $100 in licensing fees per set.
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The day Apple licenses an OS again is the day Apple's rise ends. Part of the rebirth and success of Apple was when Jobs killed the Mac clones.

Apple will probably just use the parts from Toshiba, Sharp, Sony, Samsung, etc... but they'll make their own set if they actually are making a set.
 
this is my vision:

1. the new apple tv set will have revolutionary interface(duh bec current stuff is unexiting in market)

2. the model will be totaly like youtube, content is main thing in tv and so the system will be democratic wherein anyone ll be able to create his/her tv channel, the channel is advanced app that has all the widgets and stuff u just inject ur content, tweak settings and off u go, broadcasting ur talent, bec people love people on youtube, this ll develop huge market in tv/movie industry

3. u spend lot of money in movie theatre watching movie n eating food there cost, this device makes sense for movie audience and movie industry

pardon my poor english
 
Rogifan said:
because it's hardware where they make their money, not content? How much profit does Apple make off of the $99 ATV? I'm sure iTunes is making them some money now with their 30% cut of App sales, but in the days of iPod it was basically a break-even business wasn't it?
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Apple continues to state every quarter that they are operating the iTunes Store a bit over break even.
 
NAG said:
The day Apple licenses an OS again is the day Apple's rise ends. Part of the rebirth and success of Apple was when Jobs killed the Mac clones.

Apple will probably just use the parts from Toshiba, Sharp, Sony, Samsung, etc... but they'll make their own set if they actually are making a set.
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correct, instead the new os will be so lucrative to content industry that they ll hav to develop for that new device, we have already saw this in ios thru ipad and iphone etc, bec apple makes complete system there ll be less headache and people will only worry about content


pardon my poor english
 
bharatgupta said:
today there is no such freedom in tv industry and very few people can set up companies(tv channel companies), it has to be democratise that is the future, yt is bigger than tv industry bec of this very reason.
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Actually there is such freedom because you don't have to be a part of the industry to film something and create your own website to broadcast it or even sell it on places like iTunes. Or post it as a video podcast and give it away.

However yt is a jarring experience,
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No, youtube is for the most part total crap. Too much uploading other people's copyright which gets ignored by the system and then when you do post something that is under fair use because it used 5 seconds of something from Warners etc it is taken down because the people that run the show don't know the laws they claim they are upholding. Then there's the quality of the 'original' material that is posted. Or rather lack of quality.

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Grimace said:
This could easily be an OS that is licensed for 3rd party manufacturers, like Airplay. Most people would be shocked to see Apple have its own branded TV, as that market is tough. Let Toshiba, Sharp, Sony, etc. carry the burden of selling the TVs themselves, and let Apple take $100 in licensing fees per set.
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Not really Apple's style to play OEM games. They don't like to turn over any amount of control and they don't like the idea of negative blowback if the hardware turns out to be crap.

If they aren't controlling the design and build themselves they will keep it to their little black box.

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WannaGoMac said:
They used to announce hardware... Mac Pro and iPhones :)
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What they used to do isn't really applicable because Apple can change that. Just like they changed that they used to headline MacWorld etc.
 
While we're on the subject...

I remember an interview with Steve Jobs at All Things Digital where he stated, and I'm paraphrasing, that Apple will not enter the television business until they have the ability to change how it works. From hardware to distribution. Much the same way they changed music distribution and cellphone service provider policies.

I thought this is why the current AppleTV is labeled as a "hobby". Wouldn't it be a bad sign if Apple, under its current leadership, decided to go against that philosophy and release another "Google TV"?
 
charlituna said:
Actually there is such freedom because you don't have to be a part of the industry to film something and create your own website to broadcast it or even sell it on places like iTunes. Or post it as a video podcast and give it away.



No, youtube is for the most part total crap. Too much uploading other people's copyright which gets ignored by the system and then when you do post something that is under fair use because it used 5 seconds of something from Warners etc it is taken down because the people that run the show don't know the laws they claim they are upholding. Then there's the quality of the 'original' material that is posted. Or rather lack of quality.

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Not really Apple's style to play OEM games. They don't like to turn over any amount of control and they don't like the idea of negative blowback if the hardware turns out to be crap.

If they aren't controlling the design and build themselves they will keep it to their little black box.
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yes but the mere moral only understand simple things such as tv screen infront of him in his/her living room, there has to be a standard deal in this just like we have in computers via mac & windows, so this is indeed a bigger market and trust me dude in places like my country(India) we have a huge industry here however not many people can come on screen so if there is something that is for the mere artist it ll be a revolution, cant ignore youtube and apple shud go after it and make it a great system

pardon my poor english
 
I am very skeptical about the TV ... sure it may be awesome and all that, but can they really make a 50" TV that will be competitive in todays market?

I am talking with specs and pricing together ... I just do not see it based on everything else they have on the market
 
Come on!!

all these rumours after the guy who runs the company:apple: who feeds your company the fuel to survive said no more rumours!:mad:
 
CindyRed said:
I remember an interview with Steve Jobs at All Things Digital where he stated, and I'm paraphrasing, that Apple will not enter the television business until they have the ability to change how it works. From hardware to distribution. Much the same way they changed music distribution and cellphone service provider policies.

I thought this is why the current AppleTV is labeled as a "hobby". Wouldn't it be a bad sign if Apple, under its current leadership, decided to go against that philosophy and release another "Google TV"?
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yes i saw all those interviews and just like iphone i believe in tv industry potential, they have to make changes otherwise it ll be just another device...tv and movies & entertainment are part of everybody's life just like music they shud go after it.
 
bushido said:
u must have a ****** tv, i can control all those with my iPad already
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This:

Logitech Harmony® Link

Used to use a Universal Remote system, got tired of the little IR to RF adapters falling off. Someone suggested this, had doubts, it's amazing. Controls my Samsung 55" 8000, Pioneer AVR, Samsung DVR, Mac Mini and 3D Blu-Ray. Signal is so strong it bounces off walls, inside cabinets, and comes with an RF blaster should you need it. All you need is an iOS or Android device for the free app, hook it up to your WiFi, and use the app to easily configure each device you own by brand and model, it downloads the info for you, and you create macro's for watching tv, blu-ray, etc. Done. Best $99 bucks I spent.
 
It's funny, I'm completely happy about my boxes under the TV. All I want my TV itself to be, is a really nice panel. The Samsung TV I am planning to buy has some "smart" features built in, and I couldn't care less.

To be honest, I don't even want a TV tuner in the display. Just a good screen, with 1 HDMI to my receiver would be perfect.
 
Confuzzzed said:
As evidenced by the huge growth of television series box-sets, the way we view television has changed. Nobody wants to sit through endless hours of advertising and any OS that will allow me to stream content when I want it and how I want it will get my vote. Current on-demand set-top boxes (be it cable or satellite) have the processing power of a very slow Nokia phone from the late 90s. Give me speed and iOS like UI and you can have money
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Agreed, I think the world is ready for streaming TV but the hardware for a full transition isn't widely available. I'm on board with you for this one!
 
Unless the mythical "Apple Television Set" is...
  1. 55" or larger,
  2. Comes packaged in a poster tube, and
  3. Can be hung on the wall with thumb tacks...
I don't care.
 
tdar said:
I have been famous amongst my circle for my steadfast opinion that there is no way in hell that Apple would EVER build a TV. But the stars seem to be aligning and such a thing now seems possible. But as Tim said last night at D10, Apple will not do this with out some compelling value add over the TV we have today, So I'd like to share this link to a BOSE TV that they sell today and say if you start with something like what Bose is doing and add the Apple advantages (IOS, Siri, iTunes and the iTunes store, IPads and iPhones as remotes and others we do not yet know) this thing starts to seem real. so check out this link:
http://www.bose.com/controller?url=/shop_online/televisions/videowave/index.jsp

The Apple advantage is simplicity -It Just Works!
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I don't understand why that TV needs a breakout box...

CindyRed said:
I remember an interview with Steve Jobs at All Things Digital where he stated, and I'm paraphrasing, that Apple will not enter the television business until they have the ability to change how it works. From hardware to distribution. Much the same way they changed music distribution and cellphone service provider policies.

I thought this is why the current AppleTV is labeled as a "hobby". Wouldn't it be a bad sign if Apple, under its current leadership, decided to go against that philosophy and release another "Google TV"?
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They didn't change cellphone service provider policies as much as they could have if they never accepted the subsidy model.

I am not sure that having a physical TV versus a set top box is better. For one thing to do super high resolution cost lots of money, as does OLED & Crystal LED. I wonder how many folks actually don't use cable or satellite for TV. I have a smart TV and to be honest have only used the smart features three times since getting the TV. I also have cable (and a TiVo) and get most of my programming from there.

Sometimes I wish Apple would just buy TiVo and fix the DVR industry, while IPTV is a pretty cool idea, you have to get around the cable and satellite companies to make it work.
 
People have said it does't make sense for Apple to jump into the TV business as TVs aren't a yearly or so purchase. Could it be they would sell the TV and then sell upgrades to the OS?

That could be a way to enable them to continue to get our Money and we think we are saving by not buy a new Mac TV every year or so.

Or perhaps Apple will be fine just making money as a 30% cut of TV Show purchases and they are fine with that model.


That said, I am not really ready to "give up" my ordinary cable/Fios/type TV model. I like to be surprised by new shows I might not otherwise watch...just last night I watched two shows about the Amish and then switched to a show about the Alps. Maybe Comcast/Xfinity/VerizonFios/Dish/etc. will just sell Apps for a monthly fee that can access their channel lineup for a similar price. This way they are not needing to send out boxes, just let Apple do that and they can supply the Apps for their packages.
 
basesloaded190 said:
I would sure hope so. If they want people to buy this thing, there needs to be video apps other than Netflix. People can't drop cable solely with the current Apple TV.
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I did.

Apps and more content options would certainly be desirable, but the current model was good enough for me.

I only follow 8-10 shows per year, and I always bought the DVD/Blu Ray anyway. So getting the season pass on iTunes is much cheaper than paying for cable alone, not to mention not having to buy anything else later.

The only thing I miss is HBO/Showtime content being available as it airs. I'd like to see that made available like other shows, or offered as a subscription based app.

I know it doesn't suit everyone, but it's not right to say people can't drop cable as is, some certainly can.
 
basesloaded190 said:
So you use nothing but the Apple TV to watch your television content?
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yup. All content is on MCP, our server. We do not watch sports. We do not watch current event shows. We do not watch news. We do not watch much tv to begin with. But when we do, it is on the server ready to go when we want to watch it. The internet has many many wonderful torrent sites that we access. And with the help of handbrake, we have content for multiple devices in our home. We have access to shows not shown in North America using Youtube. We do not even own a blu ray player. Our dvd player has sat idle for years and it is only close to our tv because it fills up a hole that would otherwise be there. All of my collected DVD sets from the past 15 years have been hand braked and put on the MCP. Any new shows that we may watch (and that is far and few in-between) can be easily found as I said earlier on using many different torrent sites. 1080p is not a huge deal in our viewing habits. 720p is good enough. We have only a sound bar which is good enough for us. We do subscribe to Netflix and enjoy this service. We pay for internet which is at about 5mbs which is good enough for us. Prior to cutting the cable we were still using torrent sites to catch all those missed shows. In essence we were paying for two services with one of them being redundant (the cable). We got rid of it thinking that any local programming we wanted could be pulled off air and in HD. We haven't bothered yet to hook up any antennas for this. The only thing that I did miss a little bit was watching the Rider games on TSN. But after last seasons melt down we didn't really miss much. This may not be the ideal set up for some people, but for my family it is great.
 
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One thing I'm curious about is how well suited Apple stores are to display and stock television sets. A lot don't have the space to display more than one or two and stocking those huge boxes would take up a lot of stock room real estate.
 
BJMRamage said:
People have said it does't make sense for Apple to jump into the TV business as TVs aren't a yearly or so purchase. Could it be they would sell the TV and then sell upgrades to the OS?

That could be a way to enable them to continue to get our Money and we think we are saving by not buy a new Mac TV every year or so.

Or perhaps Apple will be fine just making money as a 30% cut of TV Show purchases and they are fine with that model.


That said, I am not really ready to "give up" my ordinary cable/Fios/type TV model. I like to be surprised by new shows I might not otherwise watch...just last night I watched two shows about the Amish and then switched to a show about the Alps. Maybe Comcast/Xfinity/VerizonFios/Dish/etc. will just sell Apps for a monthly fee that can access their channel lineup for a similar price. This way they are not needing to send out boxes, just let Apple do that and they can supply the Apps for their packages.
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I really like that idea. Most cable boxes (up in Canada) are old tech anyways.
 
djrod said:
It's about time somebody though of this, having multiple remotes is a stupid thing, remote for TV, remote for Apple TV, remote for cable box, remote for DVD/Blu-ray player, etc...

Now all these new Smart TVs doesn't look all that smart, eh?
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You pretty much described a Logitech Harmony remote
 
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