All the 5G phones will still support all the older Gs so your point is irrelevant. Most people will be in 5G range pretty soon. "Coast to coast" is a different matter but pretty irrelevant one (unless you live in the area where 5G is not happening any time soon).
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Apple to Wait Until at Least 2020 to Release 5G iPhones
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I don't understand how having faster data makes you use more? I mean, a movie or song, for example, is a fixed number of bytes. You can't watch the movie or play the song faster. Basically, everything you do on the internet is a fixed size already. Sure, it may get to you faster -- to read or save or print, but you certainly aren't going to use MORE data (at least not like you are saying) because you have a faster internet.
My point is relevant. You have a timetable for this rollout by carrier by area? If you don’t your point of “most people” is a straw-man.
I think 5G will help us dump Comcast Internet and Dish TV. I think it will have a lot of other uses (i.e. better connected home uses). When my home town has decent 5G coverage I am buying a 5G phone. If Apple doesn't have one available yet, I will buy an Android. Its that simple for me.
I think Apple will lose some business to the Android market if they aren't on board with 5G. Time will tell I guess.
I think Apple will lose some business to the Android market if they aren't on board with 5G. Time will tell I guess.
Agreed. Those that say faster speed = more data usage, it is only true because you might be able to squeeze in more viewing time, etc. Will you use significantly more data? No. If you spent 10 minutes browsing the web on your iPhone over 3G and 10 minutes browsing the web on 4G LTE, then yes, because 3G is so damn slow. You're waiting for data. But 4G LTE vs 5G? How fast do you need your web page to load?
Whatever the rollout schedule, the phone purchased in 2019 will see 5G within its life time span. It will be 2019 for many and 2020 for most. Thus buying 4G phone in 2019 will be a really stupid idea.
I would be happy to get full LTE speeds, coverage is more of a problem where I live than raw theoretical speed.
It's not about how you would use 5G today, it's about how you would use 5G tomorrow. This kinda tech opens doors to all sorts of incredible mobile applications. For example, high-res VR scenes that are rendered on a supercomputer could be directly to your phone. To me that's what's exciting about 5G, it is capable of removing the processing power boundaries of a mobile device and offsetting more of it onto the cloud.
From what I understand since 5G supports so many more devices at once, data caps will probably either be 1) higher or 2) gone. Unfortunetly since 5G has such limited range I can see people buying 5G in 2019 going "I dont see any difference" since they won't be able to get 5G in 90% of places
I don't think that's how the carriers plan on paying for the additional expense of the rollout.
Meh... I'm not surprised that Apple won't support the standard until 2020 as they have never really been early adopters on new cellular standards. That said, it doesn't really make a difference (to me) since Canada won't hold its 5G spectrum auction until 2020 anyway, which means by the time a 5G iPhone comes to market there may be (at best) limited coverage for 5G in a couple of our largest cities. I don't really have any complaints about current LTE speeds so I can wait...
That’s 1ms in the wireless access component, not end to end. Laws of physics still apply
. I’m sure you know that but I’m equally sure someone else is going to misread that and expect 1ms latency across the globe.
From what I understand 5G will be able to support many more devices at once, plus devices connected will receive data so much faster they will actually be using the network less.
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That story is an urban myth. See snopes.com for details
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I dunno. Now they will be competing with home-based providers as well. After other companies dropped the per-minute phone charges and per-text charges they went away awfully fast. Instead they'll probably start adding on packages that include video like HBO etc.
There's little to no point in supporting 5G in 2019. There is no infrastructure as of yet and there won't be relevant coverage in September next year. Also, 4G is already >1Gbit/s. Although, most networks only support 300Mbit/s. The iPhone X supports 450MBit/s (Cat9) the XS up to 1,2GBit/s (Cat18). While Cat18 might be asked too much from the operators, at least Cat 12 (600Mbit/s) should be no problem.
The big advantage of 4G compared to 3G was not only the transition to higher speed, but also the move to native IP traffic and greatly reduced latency.
5G on the other hand isn't a great step up from consumer point of view compared to 4G.
Frankly, I'm still waiting for low frequency 4G/LTE (700MHz long range to cover remote areas, highways,...)
Also, I've heard the frequency auctions of 5G aren't through in many countries. AFAIK 5G is extremely expensive on the technical side so that in some countries operators are even thinking about putting up one shared network. That would also eliminate the need for a frequency auction, saving them billions. Bottom Line: 5G isn't even halfway there.
The big advantage of 4G compared to 3G was not only the transition to higher speed, but also the move to native IP traffic and greatly reduced latency.
5G on the other hand isn't a great step up from consumer point of view compared to 4G.
Frankly, I'm still waiting for low frequency 4G/LTE (700MHz long range to cover remote areas, highways,...)
Also, I've heard the frequency auctions of 5G aren't through in many countries. AFAIK 5G is extremely expensive on the technical side so that in some countries operators are even thinking about putting up one shared network. That would also eliminate the need for a frequency auction, saving them billions. Bottom Line: 5G isn't even halfway there.
If you think the Apple 5G rollout is bad, wait until you see what Apple does when ATSC 3.0 / Next Generation TV with an IP protocol is rolled out allowing live over the air TV on all cell phones. You won't wait an extra year for free live TV from Apple. You'll get it never and if ever, at a price out of this world just like the cellular networks are forcing with FM radio. The only difference is that FM reception is sketchy on cell phones. ATSC 3.0 will not be that kind of large antenna. Apple's excuse will still be that the chip and antenna required would be too large for a cell phone, but you'll see it from China I bet as well as Samsung.
5G will be mostly for the cities (at least in the first 2-3 years). That's where 5G will actually make a difference due to the high densitiy of devices and short distances between the device and tower.
Apple 5G rollout isn't "bad", it's conservative. Let the android vendors trip over themselves to offer 5G before apple, so apple can learn from their mistakes.
I sympathise, most people have unlimited data in the UK.
And of course you only use more date if you choose to do so. I have never cared about how much data I use, constantly streaming music, Netflix etc. Despite that I have never used more than 20GB in a month. Speed has never limited how much data I use since good 3G was available, it is a really nonsensical statement to say that faster speed would make one use more data, I'm already using as much as I want when I want and never wait for anything to download.
[UOTE="newdeal, post: 26870311, member: 373929"]first of all, most people dont have 10gb of data, at least not up here in Canada. Less than 4gb is the norm and often less than 2gb. More than 6gb is extremely rare. Second, with the speed of LTE, what is really being made appreciably faster by increasing the connection speed, the only time it will be noticeable is if the size of content increases. This will be from higher res graphics being used on websites and 4k video streaming to your phone, as well as cloud based storage of high res photos, live photos, photos with multiple focal depths built in, 4k 60fps video. All sorts of things that higher speeds will allow (whether they are needed or not)[/QUOTE]
And of course you only use more date if you choose to do so. I have never cared about how much data I use, constantly streaming music, Netflix etc. Despite that I have never used more than 20GB in a month. Speed has never limited how much data I use since good 3G was available, it is a really nonsensical statement to say that faster speed would make one use more data, I'm already using as much as I want when I want and never wait for anything to download.
[UOTE="newdeal, post: 26870311, member: 373929"]first of all, most people dont have 10gb of data, at least not up here in Canada. Less than 4gb is the norm and often less than 2gb. More than 6gb is extremely rare. Second, with the speed of LTE, what is really being made appreciably faster by increasing the connection speed, the only time it will be noticeable is if the size of content increases. This will be from higher res graphics being used on websites and 4k video streaming to your phone, as well as cloud based storage of high res photos, live photos, photos with multiple focal depths built in, 4k 60fps video. All sorts of things that higher speeds will allow (whether they are needed or not)[/QUOTE]
