It's mostly just IT dept's either leasing them or buying them with service contracts. The actual hardware is probably not even the most important thing in their purchasing decisions.
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Apple Tops Dell as Most Sought After Desktop Computers
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It's mostly just IT dept's either leasing them or buying them with service contracts. The actual hardware is probably not even the most important thing in their purchasing decisions.
next time you want to respond to one of mine posts please read my entire post, not just the first sentence. Had you done so this time you would have learned that I didn't diss Dell, but said all Win boxes are commodities & consumers buy what is most affordable or has the features they need.
You responded only to repeat what I already wrote.
I read your whole post. You asked why someone would consider a Dell specifically vs. HP or otherwise. And I responded that I would consider a Dell because I think they still have a good reputation and they are affordable.
In other words, they are still a recognizable brand and I'd expect consumers to seek them out specifically because of it (more so than HP, for example - from my experience, HP is not as much of a "household name" as Dell is).
If Apple doesn't make the computer you want, then go buy something else. When someone hopes for the failure of something, it says a whole lot more about the someone than the something.
Dell is good for some people in that they offer lots of choice, but they offer too much choice, in my opinion. I once priced out a Dell. It gave me three choices for wireless card. All 802.11n, and all three within $5 in price. Seriously, just put the best one in! And how is the average buyer going to decide which one? Why should they when they're so close in price.
So many Apple haters, i got to ask why do you even use an mac forum
People crave attention. When they're children, it's important to give them attention for doing good things, and not bad things. Then they learn that doing good things is rewarding, and doing bad things does nothing for anyone. These people have not learned this yet, and we continue to give them bad attention (feeding the trolls, as it were). If we just ignore or block them, they'll either go away and seek attention somewhere else, or start having constructive arguments. Though I suspect the former will happen over the latter.
I don't know - if I'm a film maker going on location, I may want a powerful machine to produce dailies very quickly. If I'm a field scientist, and I have to process data at a remote location? There are lots of reasons. People used to carry Mac Pluses and SEs around. There were cases designed for them.
Regardless, thinking this creates so much clutter just shows your lack of creativity. Get a long thunderbolt cable and put all your stuff in a rack in a closet. What do you need on your desk?
I know what you mean. There are still about 400,000,000 million computers including a good chunk of the business world running on XP, that's what, about 12 years old or so?
is light-years in distance from Dell, IMO, in quality and OS in computers offered. The thing is, DELL makes decent computers, with lowest price.......
Dell makes computers for people whose only concern is price. This, of course, excepts Enterprise users who are concerned with 24/7 support, and Dell basically subsidizes their hardware offerings with enterprise support.
The Mac Mini is a desktop computer.
The iMac is a desktop computer - despite what you say, I don't put it on the floor, I don't put it on my lap, I don't hold it at its "stick", I put it on a desk. So it's a desktop computer.
And you can turn any MacBook into a desktop computer. Would be a shame with a Retina MBP, but close the lid, attach a keyboard and monitor, and you have a desktop computer. My current desktop computer at home is a 2006 white MacBook Pro with a broken graphics card.
Ah yes, I forget about the Mac mini with no discrete gpu
I'm not trying to bash, I really want apple to make a consumer desktop computer. I guess it would cannibalize other higher profit margin products. The ability to upgrade GPUs later on would bring me to Mac. Usually the first part to go obsolete and the first to fry, at least in my experience.
Both my laptop and desktop have upgradable GPUs fwiw. I keep my pcs longer than most.
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Is it just me, or people around here stopped thinking?
What sort of an argument is that? It's like saying, "Try parking an SUV on a bike parking rack", implying that because SUV's can't be parked on such small spaces, they're therefore worthless.
But its perfect for their target market, consumers who want to feel like they use professional grade equipment.
Why would you want to take Mac Pro on a plane? Desktops aren't meant for portability, they are meant to used at a single place. You'll be better off with a Macbook Pro if you want portability.
Regardless, this is no excuse for a desktop computer to make it hard if not possible at all to upgrade CPU/GPU (and maybe storage). 256GB storage for a pro machine, really?! And I don't understand the point of keeping everything external, it creates so much clutter.
If you like the idea of a non-upgradable pro machine (relative to the outgoing model) and trashcan design with clutter, this Mac Pro will certainly appeal to you.
Can't innovate anymore, my ass
This clutter argument is laughable and that picture is even more laughable.
The same argument was made when the MacAir came out.
Never came to fruition.
Please, the price difference between the new Mac Pro and actually building an equivalent machine yourself is the lowest I've ever seen. Also, Apple's competitors can't beat that price. So please tell me how the idea that it is overpriced got into your head.
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Yes, those three companies happen to make products in all of the different price ranges....not shocking.
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Volkswagon are good cars. Dells are more Hyundai.
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Why would you want to take Mac Pro on a plane? Desktops aren't meant for portability, they are meant to used at a single place. You'll be better off with a Macbook Pro if you want portability.
Regardless, this is no excuse for a desktop computer to make it hard if not possible at all to upgrade CPU/GPU (and maybe storage). 256GB storage for a pro machine, really?! And I don't understand the point of keeping everything external, it creates so much clutter.
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If you like the idea of a non-upgradable pro machine (relative to the outgoing model) and trashcan design with clutter, this Mac Pro will certainly appeal to you.
Can't innovate anymore, my ass
You do realize that people who use these machines also use a NAS/SAN, right? It'll likely never end up like the picture. Also, your statement about what a desktop is supposed to be is about as typical "PC" as it gets...
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true. i just will never call that a real choice.
the downside to that is they can be left flat footed such as with the interest/demand for larger iphone screen etc.
its a careful balance of thinking you always know what is best and imposing limitations as opposed to being in touch
You know, troll comments that are off the wall all over these forums kind of push anyone with any sense of reason to never disagree with Apple. Create a thread where everyone is overpraising an Apple product (I've never seen it happen) and you'll find that many who usually side with Apple will end up on the other side - because they are being REASONABLE.
The Mac Pro, true to its name, is a pro machine, and pro machines are supposed to be flexible to fit multiple use cases. It's got the horsepower, sure. But the difficulty of expansion makes it less appealing to the pro market than the old Pro was.
If it's not for him, then who is it for?
While I can be frustrated that Apple did away with an excellent, high-powered, workstation by "trash canning" the previous G5/Mac Pro chassis, I can't disagree with your assessment. Nevertheless, there are a lot "pros" using the current Pro, with internal storage, for things other than video capture and editing, and who have no need for 12-cores etc.
I consoled myself by purchasing more Apple stock with the money I would have spent on a new Mac Pro, and I'm spec'ing out a reasonably nice hackintosh system. Here's hoping the new Mac Pro is wildly successful. (go go AAPL stock price!)
Check out the price of the individual components going into it, before making that judgement.
Also many on this site have been saying for years, they'd be willing to pay somewhat more for american-built products. The nMacPro's price is not out of line with any other Apple product, especially figuring in US labor costs.
Apple US Tech Support = Apple Retail Store and actual American citizens employed by Apple, speaking English, in service center located in the USA (for Apple's American customers)
DELL Tech Support = Some Pakistani guy named "Bob Johnson", with a thick Pakistani accent, pretending to be from Montana. Half-intelligible English. But your tech support experience is still a nightmare.
One of the BIG REASONS for Dell's decline and customer disgust and abandonment is because DELL was among the first and most notorious PC companies to outsource their 'American customer' tech support to places like Asia.
SUV serves a purpose. You cannot carry 5 passengers with a bike. But you can fit a workstation into a portable computer, like Apple did. So the analogy is false. If it's possible to make it smaller, do it. And before you jump in and say that the new Mac Pro's small form factor is a big compromise, I disagree. Everything I need is in the new Mac Pro. The rest I wasn't using in the old one anyway. And it seems many people were in the same wagon.
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Yes, today a rMBP is faster than a 6 year old Mac Pro. But in 2008, a MBP was 20% as fast as my MP. So no way I'm gonna use that laptop for months if I have to temporarily move.
Apple is doing this right (for the most part), but coupled with the fact that Microsoft is doing every thing wrong, makes for an easy victory.
Your friends probably bought iMacs after trying to use that TURD Windows 8 that Microsoft released. If that doesn't drive someone to switch OSs, nothing will.
Ok, so you chose not to buy a product and paid into illegally ripping off Apple's IP...then invested in Apple. You are probably the stupidest investor I've ever seen. Go invest in Pepsi then drink Coke products all day.
At first when I saw that picture my thought was "what the heck is that black thing?" Then took a few seconds for me to remember it was the new Mac Pro heh.
Glad to see people are seeing the worth in buying a nice computer. Even if they're just going to just surf the web, at least they won't get viruses or crap crappy crappiness hahaha .