Overpriced for who???? Go make money!
Says the guy driving a 240...
Overpriced for who???? Go make money!
is light-years in distance from Dell, IMO, in quality and OS in computers offered. The thing is, DELL makes decent computers, with lowest price.......
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apple is doing everything right it seems.
even friends of mine did buy imacs lately, even though they dont do anything else than browsing the web with it.
waste of money if you ask me, but if it makes them happy....it sure makes apple happy
It would be cool if Tim Cook would step up and say, "If I were in charge of Dell, I'd sell everything and close my doors".![]()
I'm not trying to bash, I really want apple to make a consumer desktop computer. I guess it would cannibalize other higher profit margin products. The ability to upgrade GPUs later on would bring me to Mac. Usually the first part to go obsolete and the first to fry, at least in my experience.
You comparing a Dell to a Volkswagon... um more like a Chrysler. Dell's are horrible computers. In my company they break down within a year requiring replacement of parts. We order about a 1000+ Dells and about 40% of them are sent for repair within 1.5 years. They're cheaper than a Mac and that's the bottom line.
Because of the iPhone sales, this a computer to computer comparison.
And profits are always most important to non stock holding consumers.
No they are not. They make too many compromises with hardware to make things look cool. I have a £3000 laptop (rMBP) that doesn't have an ethernet port. I want a powerful laptop not a one that's a little bit thinner. The same goes for the Mac Pro - aimed too much at graphics professionals. What happens if I want less graphics and more CPU? I might want to use it as a VM lab.
There is also the huge gap between the mini and the mac pro - £2000 difference for the base models. A gap that isn't filled by the iMac for those of us that don't want an all in one.
People buy Dell/HP/Lenovo/DIY because the Apple product set is too limited for many professionals, and a lot of consumers can't afford them/don't value them.
but again shouldnt it be a choice for the consumer to buy a machine that is quite capable and can be moved around or one that is not as easy to move around and offers some benefits instead?
but im sure they thought about their transport costs. your ease of transport i doubt was high on their list. this is after all the company that released a wired mouse that had a cord so short you could hardly use it to the right of an ibook
i only look at this from the imac perspective where removing features (perhaps not used so much) and making it deceptively thin but for what purpose exactly?
Or go to any critical communications agency like 911, airline dispatch, Gas & Power, etc. and they aren't using Apple, but Dell or HP.That's why techs love dells! Job security![]()
Or go to any critical communications agency like 911, airline dispatch, Gas & Power, etc. and they aren't using Apple, but Dell or HP.
Besides the Mac Pro, Apple computers aren't flexible or proven to be reliable for critical applications but they have their place in the artistic community or casual user.
Try taking the current/old Mac pro on a plane.
New Mac Pro + external Thunderbolt raid array = more processing power, more storage, significantly less weight/space.
And profits are always most important to non stock holding consumers.
The Mac Pro, true to its name, is a pro machine, and pro machines are supposed to be flexible to fit multiple use cases. It's got the horsepower, sure. But the difficulty of expansion makes it less appealing to the pro market than the old Pro was ..
Says the guy driving a 240...
there's too much wrong in your assumption...that's not the reason they don't use Apple computers. Unless you're new to computers, you would know the strangle hold that IBM had on computing during the late 70s to the early 90s. IBM, IBM compatibles and Microsoft have been the defacto standard in governments for general purpose desktop computing. Otherwise, most of the their infrastructure uses unix/linux/oracle.
Ugh, disappointing.
I hope the new Mac Pro flops for being a limited and completely disposable design that's way over priced.
They make too many compromises with hardware to make things look cool. I have a £3000 laptop (rMBP) that doesn't have an ethernet port.
There is also the huge gap between the mini and the mac pro - £2000 difference for the base models. A gap that isn't filled by the iMac for those of us that don't want an all in one.
Desktops aren't meant for portability, they are meant to used at a single place. You'll be better off with a Macbook Pro if you want portability.
You comparing a Dell to a Volkswagon... um more like a Chrysler. Dell's are horrible computers. In my company they break down within a year requiring replacement of parts. We order about a 1000+ Dells and about 40% of them are sent for repair within 1.5 years. They're cheaper than a Mac and that's the bottom line.
Apple has always been an aspirational brand who made aspirational products.
But about the Dell slide downward. I'm reminded of RCA's similar downward slide. The once-proud company who owned the lion's share of the US TV market, has now been bought and sold so many times that it's the same company in name only. They're owned by a French concern now, and their TVs are crap.
i don't
i didn't/won't
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It has nothing to do with IBM & boogieman theories.
I working in the industry and they have tried to use Apple computers but they are not up to the task, reliable or configurable.
This doesn't translate remotely into sales.
See http://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2013/10/10/pc-market-consolidating-around-top-3-vendors/ for example. An estimate of 4.4 million Macs compared to around 14 million from Lenevo, 14 million from HP and 9.5 million from HP.
Overpriced for who???? Go make money!
It has nothing to do with IBM & boogieman theories.
I working in the industry and they have tried to use Apple computers but they are not up to the task, reliable or configurable.
If Apple wanted to be the #1 in computer unit sales, I think Acer and Asus would sell their computer divisions for a good price (less than one quarter of iPhone + iPad profits). But that's not Apple's goal. To most people it would seem stupid to judge Apple on not achieving something that they don't have the slightest intention to achieve.
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What I posted has everything to do with the topic. Some poster claimed that success of a computer company should be measured by taking unit sales, and then said that by that measure Apple was far behind HP, Lenovo and Dell. I corrected him saying that unit sales is obviously _not_ a valid measurement of success. Revenue is a much better measurement (you wouldn't say that one car company selling a 30 ton truck and another selling a tiny van are the same, because that would be nonsense) for relevance in the market, but profit is the measurement for success.
And Apple's profit doesn't come from overcharging, as you seem to indicate, but from making products that are so much better than the competitors' products that Apple doesn't have to try to sell them on price. Think about this: Why don't HP, Dell and Lenovo charge more to make more profit? Do you think it's because they are so in love with their customers that they want them to keep their money, or is there some other reason?
By the way: This is just in the news. HP cutting jobs because of falling demand. I wouldn't buy a computer from a company that fires 1,100 employees near where I live. Doesn't exactly inspire confidence.
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer...er-1-100-jobs-in-the-uk-due-to-falling-demand
Not most important, but if a company makes money doing X then you can be reasonably sure they will continue doing X, whatever X is. That's important for customers to know. We can be quite confident that Apple is going to continue improving their Macs and MacOS X over the next years. Profit from iPods seem to be quite low, so not much is happening (but then there are also no competitors trying to get into the market).
HP had made an announcement a year or two ago that they would be leaving the computer business. That's not going to make you want to buy their products (they backtracked, but it cost them huge amounts of sales). If I buy a Mac today, I'm quite confident that I can get it fixed in five years time - because Apple makes profits.