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is light-years in distance from Dell, IMO, in quality and OS in computers offered. The thing is, DELL makes decent computers, with lowest price.......


:):apple:

Yeah but it's the OS that the problem on the dell :roll eyes:


I'd rather use my 2002 quicksilver than a brand new anything with windows.

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apple is doing everything right it seems.
even friends of mine did buy imacs lately, even though they dont do anything else than browsing the web with it.

waste of money if you ask me, but if it makes them happy....it sure makes apple happy

How many windows users have asked you to fix their new windows machines because they can't ever surf the web because they are so bogged down with adware/malware?
Macs are worth every penny if you ask me.
 
It would be cool if Tim Cook would step up and say, "If I were in charge of Dell, I'd sell everything and close my doors". :)

That would be a bit daft, because Michael Dell has just taken the company private.

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I'm not trying to bash, I really want apple to make a consumer desktop computer. I guess it would cannibalize other higher profit margin products. The ability to upgrade GPUs later on would bring me to Mac. Usually the first part to go obsolete and the first to fry, at least in my experience.

They have the Mac Mini, the iMac 21", and the iMac 27". Three consumer desktop computers. It seems that the things that are important to you are not the things that are important to the majority of Apple's customers.
 
You comparing a Dell to a Volkswagon... um more like a Chrysler. Dell's are horrible computers. In my company they break down within a year requiring replacement of parts. We order about a 1000+ Dells and about 40% of them are sent for repair within 1.5 years. They're cheaper than a Mac and that's the bottom line.

That's why techs love dells! Job security:D
 
Because of the iPhone sales, this a computer to computer comparison.

Apple makes 45% of all profits from computer sales according to estimates. Dell makes 13%. These profits don't include Microsoft's massive software profits, they don't include iPads, iPods and iPhones, they don't include HP's printer and consulting businesses. They are just profits from computer sales.

I'll say that again so that you understand it: Apple's profits from selling Macs are 45% of all the profits of all companies from selling computer hardware.

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And profits are always most important to non stock holding consumers.

Not most important, but if a company makes money doing X then you can be reasonably sure they will continue doing X, whatever X is. That's important for customers to know. We can be quite confident that Apple is going to continue improving their Macs and MacOS X over the next years. Profit from iPods seem to be quite low, so not much is happening (but then there are also no competitors trying to get into the market).

HP had made an announcement a year or two ago that they would be leaving the computer business. That's not going to make you want to buy their products (they backtracked, but it cost them huge amounts of sales). If I buy a Mac today, I'm quite confident that I can get it fixed in five years time - because Apple makes profits.
 
People actually wanted a Dell more than a Mac?

The Apple TV, though. I can stream any video format from a pc or Mac directly to my smart tv. Among other things. I have no need left for it. They should have opened it to the App Store a long time ago.
 
No they are not. They make too many compromises with hardware to make things look cool. I have a £3000 laptop (rMBP) that doesn't have an ethernet port. I want a powerful laptop not a one that's a little bit thinner. The same goes for the Mac Pro - aimed too much at graphics professionals. What happens if I want less graphics and more CPU? I might want to use it as a VM lab.

There is also the huge gap between the mini and the mac pro - £2000 difference for the base models. A gap that isn't filled by the iMac for those of us that don't want an all in one.

People buy Dell/HP/Lenovo/DIY because the Apple product set is too limited for many professionals, and a lot of consumers can't afford them/don't value them.

So your biggest beef with the rMBP is that it doesn't have an ethernet port? you knew this when you bought it and yet you still bought it? I for one don't need an ethernet port and am very happy that they made it thinner and if I do, there's an adapter. Small compromises lol....

And Apple's approach actually makes a lot of sense compared to Dell and HP who have been struggling. They don't put a lot of variation out there like Dell and HP do which means they have much lower tooling and manufacturing costs than those companies.
 
but again shouldnt it be a choice for the consumer to buy a machine that is quite capable and can be moved around or one that is not as easy to move around and offers some benefits instead?

but im sure they thought about their transport costs. your ease of transport i doubt was high on their list. this is after all the company that released a wired mouse that had a cord so short you could hardly use it to the right of an ibook

i only look at this from the imac perspective where removing features (perhaps not used so much) and making it deceptively thin but for what purpose exactly?

NO! It doesn't have to be a choice. I'd like to drive a Porsche Pickup but Porsche doesn't want to make it. Just because I don't like their decision doesn't mean much. Porsche will do what is best for Porsche.
 
That's why techs love dells! Job security:D
Or go to any critical communications agency like 911, airline dispatch, Gas & Power, etc. and they aren't using Apple, but Dell or HP.
Besides the Mac Pro, Apple computers aren't flexible or proven to be reliable for critical applications but they have their place in the artistic community or casual user.
 
Or go to any critical communications agency like 911, airline dispatch, Gas & Power, etc. and they aren't using Apple, but Dell or HP.
Besides the Mac Pro, Apple computers aren't flexible or proven to be reliable for critical applications but they have their place in the artistic community or casual user.

there's too much wrong in your assumption...that's not the reason they don't use Apple computers. Unless you're new to computers, you would know the strangle hold that IBM had on computing during the late 70s to the early 90s. IBM, IBM compatibles and Microsoft have been the defacto standard in governments for general purpose desktop computing. Otherwise, most of the their infrastructure uses unix/linux/oracle.
 
More people want Ferraris and BMWs than Hondas and Chevys but it doesn't mean jack unless sales and profits reflect it.

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Try taking the current/old Mac pro on a plane.

New Mac Pro + external Thunderbolt raid array = more processing power, more storage, significantly less weight/space.

What? Do the vast, vast majority of people using Mac Pros EVER have that use case? Why have we never heard about how much of a problem this was?
 
And profits are always most important to non stock holding consumers.

Good comment, I agree completely. Making profit on a product makes it future proof and I think that non stock holding consumers feel a kind of safety knowing that the cash flow will warrant the further support and development of the products.
 
The Mac Pro, true to its name, is a pro machine, and pro machines are supposed to be flexible to fit multiple use cases. It's got the horsepower, sure. But the difficulty of expansion makes it less appealing to the pro market than the old Pro was…..

You could make the argument that because of it's blazingly fast I/O lanes, and myriad of state-of-the-art connectivity options, the new MacPro will actually be more flexible. For ultimate flexibility, a one box-fits-all is probably too limiting, and precisely therein lies the genius of the new approach.

The only question mark I see, is whether those graphics options turn out to be totally non-upgradeable or not. But with up to 12GB of Vram for 4K editing, while rendering in the background, all the while having enough power for three 4K displays, only the most demanding pros are possibly going to need more. I suspect third-party solutions will be forthcoming for those users.

Based on the specs we've seen so far, it's going to be a beast! Methinks a lot of the doubts some pros may have, will be allayed once this machine is put through it's paces.
 
there's too much wrong in your assumption...that's not the reason they don't use Apple computers. Unless you're new to computers, you would know the strangle hold that IBM had on computing during the late 70s to the early 90s. IBM, IBM compatibles and Microsoft have been the defacto standard in governments for general purpose desktop computing. Otherwise, most of the their infrastructure uses unix/linux/oracle.

It has nothing to do with IBM & boogieman theories.
I working in the industry and they have tried to use Apple computers but they are not up to the task, reliable or configurable.
 
Ugh, disappointing.

I hope the new Mac Pro flops for being a limited and completely disposable design that's way over priced.

what on earth are you talking about? the MP is no more "disposable" than your television or home receiver. or car, for that matter. you can repair each one of these devices. but the MP is the only one that you plug new stuff into. durrrr

if you can't afford the Pro, you aren't in that market. deal with that, because its ok. not everything is for you.

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They make too many compromises with hardware to make things look cool. I have a £3000 laptop (rMBP) that doesn't have an ethernet port.

wait -- why haven't you plugged in the ethernet adapter if you're one of the few that needs one this badly?

There is also the huge gap between the mini and the mac pro - £2000 difference for the base models. A gap that isn't filled by the iMac for those of us that don't want an all in one.

the sooner you learn that not all products are designed for all people and use cases, the happier you'll be. apple specializes in all-in-ones. not whatever it is that you're looking for. start your own company?

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Desktops aren't meant for portability, they are meant to used at a single place. You'll be better off with a Macbook Pro if you want portability.

exactly, which is why your "clutter" pic is bogus -- even if you needed all those peripherals, you're working from...a single place. a desk/cube, with lots of room. things go on desks. or under them.
 
You comparing a Dell to a Volkswagon... um more like a Chrysler. Dell's are horrible computers. In my company they break down within a year requiring replacement of parts. We order about a 1000+ Dells and about 40% of them are sent for repair within 1.5 years. They're cheaper than a Mac and that's the bottom line.

Volkswagons are one of the worst car brands for reliability. It's also appropriate because Porsche is very similar. :).

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Apple has always been an aspirational brand who made aspirational products.

But about the Dell slide downward. I'm reminded of RCA's similar downward slide. The once-proud company who owned the lion's share of the US TV market, has now been bought and sold so many times that it's the same company in name only. They're owned by a French concern now, and their TVs are crap.

Wow nostalgia FTW! I forgot about them.

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i don't



i didn't/won't

:d

win.
 
Not really surprising since Dell isn't exactly known for their quality in a very long time (since the slot 1 days).
 
It has nothing to do with IBM & boogieman theories.
I working in the industry and they have tried to use Apple computers but they are not up to the task, reliable or configurable.

Which industry?
Proof reading? :)
You're a funny guy, maybe you're a comedian?
 
This doesn't translate remotely into sales.

See http://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2013/10/10/pc-market-consolidating-around-top-3-vendors/ for example. An estimate of 4.4 million Macs compared to around 14 million from Lenevo, 14 million from HP and 9.5 million from HP.

You totally missed the point of this article. It is about the US market only, not global. It is about the desktop computers only, does not include laptops, which is the majority nowadays.

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Overpriced for who???? Go make money!

Having money doesn't mean you should let others steal it easily from you (e.g. buy items with low value/price ratio).
 
It has nothing to do with IBM & boogieman theories.
I working in the industry and they have tried to use Apple computers but they are not up to the task, reliable or configurable.

boogieman theories? It's common knowledge. Just like the fact that most enterprise IT departments have started making Apple available to their employees and have reaped higher productivity, reliability and reduced support calls.
 
If Apple wanted to be the #1 in computer unit sales, I think Acer and Asus would sell their computer divisions for a good price (less than one quarter of iPhone + iPad profits). But that's not Apple's goal. To most people it would seem stupid to judge Apple on not achieving something that they don't have the slightest intention to achieve.

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What I posted has everything to do with the topic. Some poster claimed that success of a computer company should be measured by taking unit sales, and then said that by that measure Apple was far behind HP, Lenovo and Dell. I corrected him saying that unit sales is obviously _not_ a valid measurement of success. Revenue is a much better measurement (you wouldn't say that one car company selling a 30 ton truck and another selling a tiny van are the same, because that would be nonsense) for relevance in the market, but profit is the measurement for success.

And Apple's profit doesn't come from overcharging, as you seem to indicate, but from making products that are so much better than the competitors' products that Apple doesn't have to try to sell them on price. Think about this: Why don't HP, Dell and Lenovo charge more to make more profit? Do you think it's because they are so in love with their customers that they want them to keep their money, or is there some other reason?

By the way: This is just in the news. HP cutting jobs because of falling demand. I wouldn't buy a computer from a company that fires 1,100 employees near where I live. Doesn't exactly inspire confidence.

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer...er-1-100-jobs-in-the-uk-due-to-falling-demand

If you really believe that your products are so much better than others' so that you don't have to try on price, why not just easily match the prices of others' and totally occupy the whole market? In that way you sure will earn more money IN TOTAL than you do by always keeping a 50% markup (with less than 10% market share).
 
Not most important, but if a company makes money doing X then you can be reasonably sure they will continue doing X, whatever X is. That's important for customers to know. We can be quite confident that Apple is going to continue improving their Macs and MacOS X over the next years. Profit from iPods seem to be quite low, so not much is happening (but then there are also no competitors trying to get into the market).

HP had made an announcement a year or two ago that they would be leaving the computer business. That's not going to make you want to buy their products (they backtracked, but it cost them huge amounts of sales). If I buy a Mac today, I'm quite confident that I can get it fixed in five years time - because Apple makes profits.

Do you feel the same way about your cell phone provider? How about the cable company? Power company? Would you tell all your friends that your cell company made the highest profits in the industry? It seems to me that most consumers care more about themselves than the do about the giant corporations making billions of dollars. Except for Apple.
 
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