Apple trying to ban iPhone filming at concerts?

[Rajani Isa]

No, it isn't.

It's not the venue's IP that is being taped. So they should have no say in the matter.

The artist alone has the right to make that call and nobody else. Not Clear Channel, not Apple, NOBODY.

It's not so much the recording of the IP, but insuring audiences are not distracted. To be fair, most venues go by what the act wants.

And Apple isn't trying to make that call - if they were, the phone would sense "live event" and cut itself off, not rely on a system that the venue would have to install and turn on.

However, I'm against this kind of thing just because it could be used elsewhere. For example, I don't think public servants - especially in public - have any right to privacy in how they do their jobs.

 

[Aduntu]

No duh, but in my case I prefer to comment on rumors that are about things that are happening or might happen, using logic and reason. This isn't one of them. It's stupid to keep pushing this idea the way the anti-Apple folks want.

I noted the key words in your comment.

This forum is a place for discussion -- not protecting Apple from anti-Apple folks, which Apple is capable of doing on their own.

 

[ratzzo]

This is ridiculous. Apple really has no responsibilities in this field, whatever their uses do with their cameras is up to them, so I doubt they will ever implement any of this.

It's like buying a bottle of water at a supermarket but not being able to drink it while in a desert. Whaaat?

 

[jaecyn42]

It's not so much the recording of the IP, but insuring audiences are not distracted. To be fair, most venues go by what the act wants.

And Apple isn't trying to make that call - if they were, the phone would sense "live event" and cut itself off, not rely on a system that the venue would have to install and turn on.

However, I'm against this kind of thing just because it could be used elsewhere. For example, I don't think public servants - especially in public - have any right to privacy in how they do their jobs.

1. "Ensuring audiences are not distracted":

That's a pathetic joke of an excuse. If they are so concerned about distractions, why don't they start confiscating the damned beachballs that people love to sneak in?

2. "To be fair, most venues go by what the act wants."

No, they don't. Most venues are controlled by Clear Channel, which has an interest in preventing fans from taping.

For that reason, venues frequently disregard the artist's wishes and prevent fans from bringing recording equipment into the venues.

3. "Apple isn't trying to make that call"

Yes, they are.

Ultimately, it is Apple's firmware that will disable recording. The Infrared sensors are just a means to an end. If Apple could design their phones to recognize accurately "live events", they would have done that.

The bottom line is, Apple is not at all considering the wishes of artists in this matter. Pretty friggin' hilarious, considering how they claim to be the best computer solution for artists and musicians

 

[rndthm]

If apple goes ahead with this I will never buy another product made by apple.

 

[NebulaClash]

I noted the key words in your comment.

This forum is a place for discussion -- not protecting Apple from anti-Apple folks, which Apple is capable of doing on their own.

It's true that Apple doesn't need our protection, but this isn't Apple's site. A lot of anti-Apple propaganda gets spewed here, and a lot of people seem to take at face value a lot of nonsense. It's valid to point out nonsense when it appears.

Yes, it's my choice to do so. If you choose to do otherwise, we can go our separate ways. But telling me to leave the site is not the way to have a discussion.

 

[Small White Car]

The bottom line is, Apple is not at all considering the wishes of artists in this matter. Pretty friggin' hilarious, considering how they claim to be the best computer solution for artists and musicians

Once again...not that I think this is real...but if it were real how do you look at a system that musicians have to turn on themselves and say it doesn't consider their wishes?

Do you think they'd turn it on by mistake? Are musicians just idiots in your view?

 

[wordoflife]

Its not the venues place to say whether or not taping is allowed.

That's for the band to decide, and many bands do permit taping/photography.

Obviously the bands decide if they allow photography/videography but I'm saying that you can find out through the venue since they'll let you know what's going on. It's not like the band is going to be setting up these IR signals, and if they are, the venue would know and probably mention it on their website.

 

[b166er]

If true...

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3641676/Apple-to-ban-iPhone-gig-filming.html

Total BS and it will never happen. The media needs to focus on like..... the news. Technology like what was mentioned in the article would not be able to distinguish the filming of a concert to that of an open mic jam session or your kids' soccer game for that matter.

Maybe one day when skynet goes live, but as for now if you are filming something that is loud and has lots of people, the phone isn't going to "know" if it's a concert or you know, like everything else people freaking film because usually there is noise and light and people involved.

 

[nateo200]

I can think of so many ways to get around this:

-Airplane mode
-Jail break app
-IR filter over lens
-Buy a seperate camera
-Tell Apple to go **** them selves
-Etc...

 

[Darthdingo]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/apple-a...and-police-or-government-abuse-incidents.html

Of course Apple will follow what ever the U.S. Govt tells them to do. President Obama didn't meet with Steve Jobs just for fun, it was to discuss more spy tools, to help catch the boogeyman "terrorists" Al Queda is actually a C.I.A. creation. Wake up America...wake up...

 

[Lotso]

Airplane Mode./thread

 

[johndallas999]

Booo! That sucks.

 

[engaged44]

Being an avid musician and a guy who goes to at least 5 major concerts per year this is a dumb idea. I love recording my own videos with my 720p iPhone camera. Honestly there is going to be ways around this. Thank god for the ability to jailbreak.

 

[Darthdingo]

More Big Brother crap from Apple. We are witnessing a generation which stands in line to willingly purchase the implements of their own enslavement.

Don’t believe for a moment that this technology will only be used at concerts. Expect it to be the norm in airports, on the street, emitted by cop cars, by SWAT. A very simple implementation of a handheld emitter…

 

[Reach9]

If true...

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3641676/Apple-to-ban-iPhone-gig-filming.html

Apple has lots of patents, most of them don't make it. This is one that won't make it. Don't sweat.

 

[Rajani Isa]

1. "Ensuring audiences are not distracted":

That's a pathetic joke of an excuse. If they are so concerned about distractions, why don't they start confiscating the damned beachballs that people love to sneak in?

2. "To be fair, most venues go by what the act wants."

No, they don't. Most venues are controlled by Clear Channel, which has an interest in preventing fans from taping.

For that reason, venues frequently disregard the artist's wishes and prevent fans from bringing recording equipment into the venues.

3. "Apple isn't trying to make that call"

Yes, they are.

Ultimately, it is Apple's firmware that will disable recording. The Infrared sensors are just a means to an end. If Apple could design their phones to recognize accurately "live events", they would have done that.

The bottom line is, Apple is not at all considering the wishes of artists in this matter. Pretty friggin' hilarious, considering how they claim to be the best computer solution for artists and musicians

1) You must have a VERY narrow concept of venue, then. Venue means anything from "That meadow in the middle nowhere that becomes tent city" to the stage next to the beer garden at the county fair to the patio on the bar in town to black-tie theaters/event halls such as Carnegie hall.

I've never heard of beach balls at most Carnegie hall performances, and they are exactly the kind of venue that would be interested in this technology if available.

2) See #1.

3) So it's Apple's call that people are using iPhones to make recording they've been asked not to, since without their firmware the iPhone would not be able to do such.

Total BS and it will never happen. The media needs to focus on like..... the news. Technology like what was mentioned in the article would not be able to distinguish the filming of a concert to that of an open mic jam session or your kids' soccer game for that matter.

Maybe one day when skynet goes live, but as for now if you are filming something that is loud and has lots of people, the phone isn't going to "know" if it's a concert or you know, like everything else people freaking film because usually there is noise and light and people involved.

Read the article - the disabling happens through a sensor ID'ing an iPhone in what appears to be a recording position and disable the video recording ability via a signal. No apple black box, no disabling.

More Big Brother crap from Apple. We are witnessing a generation which stands in line to willingly purchase the implements of their own enslavement.

Don’t believe for a moment that this technology will only be used at concerts. Expect it to be the norm in airports, on the street, emitted by cop cars, by SWAT. A very simple implementation of a handheld emitter…

Because it's always fun being sued. Remember, the RIAA/MIAA hate the betamax case.

If something like this was ever developed, I'd be against it being used by any government agency. That is in large part what we have the ACLU and EFF to help us with.

 

[306Designs]

I'm not sure it's Apple's place to decide what is banned or not at a concert. What about everyone with a different kind of phone/

 

[ESPN]

If this really happens, there would most likely be a jailbreak app to circumvent this controlling aspect anyways.

Apple, we can fight fire with fire.

Your move.

 

[rndthm]

If this really happens, there would most likely be a jailbreak app to circumvent this controlling aspect anyways.

Apple, we can fight fire with fire.

Your move.

If apple tries this it will make people migrate to android faster than you can imagine. Apple needs to quit trying to be the world police on music and video content! When content is posted on youtube and such it is FREE advertisement!!! Where else in the world can people ask to have thier services or products to be advertised for free!

 

[shandyman]

If apple tries this it will make people migrate to android faster than you can imagine. Apple needs to quit trying to be the world police on music and video content! When content is posted on youtube and such it is FREE advertisement!!! Where else in the world can people ask to have thier services or products to be advertised for free!

i highly doubt this would cause such a mass exodus even if, in the off chance, it is implemented.

If this does get implemented, it will be due to the music industry requesting it, not apple.

 

[decafjava]

Being an avid musician and a guy who goes to at least 5 major concerts per year this is a dumb idea. I love recording my own videos with my 720p iPhone camera. Honestly there is going to be ways around this. Thank god for the ability to jailbreak.

You do realise this was printed in the Sun and it probably won't see the light of day.

 

[The Phazer]

If something like this was ever developed, I'd be against it being used by any government agency. That is in large part what we have the ACLU and EFF to help us with.

Great for people who live in representative democracies, but being able to record video has been pretty important for the Arab Spring protests and several of the governments there wouldn't bat an eyelid at using this sort of tech.

Phazer

 

[The Game 161]

well it is from the sun

 

[gnasher729]

Stop debating, face it guys, its a stupid idea and hard to implement, and people wipe their bums with that newspaper, thats how reliable it is, the "Sun" makes up stories just to get hits.

It's an excellent idea if you work in a place that develops new stuff and doesn't allow any cameras, or any cellphones with cameras. People have this problems with laptops and built-in cameras as well, there were lots of complaints on Macrumors from people who couldn't use a MacBook at work because they are not allowed any laptop with a webcam.

Obviously preventing you from filming your friends while they are enjoying themselves at a concert is rather pathetic. Since I think the use in a company for security reason is good, the use in a concert is bad, and Apple has the patent, they could give the transmitters only to commercial customers who buy hundred or more MacBooks

If apple tries this it will make people migrate to android faster than you can imagine.

If you work in a place that doesn't allow phones with cameras today, neither iPhone nor Android as long as they have a camera, what phone would you buy when your company tells you "we have this gadget now that stops iPhones from taking photos, so now you can bring your iPhone to work, but not an Android phone that has a camera"?