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I can tell you that people go and get the Amazon Fire Stick because they hear that it can be "hacked" to watch free movies and cable TV. I work at Best Buy and we sell through so many because of this that there is a limit on the amount of fire sticks we can sell per customer.
You can also put kodi on the atv. It's actually easier but you do need OS X, Xcode and a cable.
 
I'm happy with my 1st gen chromecast. I have the older Apple TV but I don't use it anymore.

yeah, they are great. We have one in each room - We have an old semi-retired iPad mini 2 with all our entertainment apps (HBO, Netflix etc) and just stream to the one in the room we are in.
 
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now, add in Australia and Europe to that 'pie' chart, and it will look better :D less Roku, more Apple TV.

I don't know about that. In the UK, Apple TV lacks many of the domestic streaming services of interest. Roku has them all, and both Amazon Fire and Chromecast have more than Apple TV.

I expect Apple's best market in terms of marketshare will be the US.
 
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I couldn't care less. Can't even buy a Roku or Amazon box in Australia. Our only real choice is Apple Tv or Chromecast.
 
Definitely needs 4k support and also a little refinement on the remote. It is just not as fast and accurate as I would have hoped.

Wouldn't hurt to open up universal search a little more. Drooling for the day it is opened up to Plex!

There is a Plex app for the AppleTV 4. It works pretty good overall.
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Get some Bluetooth headphones. Well worth the money

Bluetooth is great for when the kid is asleep. My wish is that they'd enable more than one Bluetooth connection so a couple could listen. Right now if Bluetooth is enabled all other Audio out is disabled.
 
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I can tell you that people go and get the Amazon Fire Stick because they hear that it can be "hacked" to watch free movies and cable TV. I work at Best Buy and we sell through so many because of this that there is a limit on the amount of fire sticks we can sell per customer.

They will then slap it up on eBay fully loaded with Kodi and a custom build for double the price.
 
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Requiring a phone or other device to control the Chromecast is a deal killer for me. I bought one just to try it out. it was really cheap. Now it sits in my tech junk drawer.
Uhh, you need an 'other device' for any media device. They're called remote controls. The best part about the Chromecast is people tend to always have their 'remote' on them. IMO, it is what makes the Chromecast so damn convenient.

We have a Roku but we use our Chromecast far more often. Open up the Netflix, HBO, etc app, find what we want, hit the Chromecast icon and boom. Good to go. Not to mention using your phone to search for things makes things SO much easier.
 
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It's funny how many people don't understand how fast 4K is growing. in 2016, only the lowest end offerings by Samsung, Sony, LG, and Vizio offer 1080p. All their decent tv's are 4K.

Not having 4K in the apple tv was a deal breaker for me. Now they'll need to make sure the next iteration can pass 4K and HDR.
 
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Even though I love my ATV 4, I use my Fire TV way more simply because of Prime Video. If Apple could find a way to come out with a subscription service similar to that, their box would move up the ladder.
 
It's funny how many people don't understand how fast 4K is growing. in 2016, only the lowest end offerings by Samsung, Sony, LG, and Vizio offer 1080p. All their decent tv's are 4K.

No it's not that they don't actually understand. The issue is that Apple has not yet endorsed it in THIS product so "nobody needs it," "it's stupid", "useless", "until every possible video in the iTunes store is available in 4K", "the chart" and on and on- the exact same collective mentality when Apple still clung to 720p MAX in :apple:TV2 while pretty much everyone else had already embraced 1080p.

Once Apple rolls out the :apple:TV5 "now with 4K", all this sentiment immediately evaporates... just as it did in the "720p is good enough" days. "We" will make up 100 reasons why 4K makes no sense now- most are identical to why 1080p made no sense then... but once Apple goes there, "we" won't call Apple out for stupidly embracing "the gimmick" with differences "I can't see (so you can't either)", etc.

Of course, you don't see those who pooh, pooh 4K so readily in :apple:TV threads over in iPhone threads applying the very same arguments against a product where Apple has already embraced 4K. Apparently, there it is perfectly fine, even "shut up and take my money"? Same with iMac's editing 4K, iPad Pro editing 4K, FCPX 4K editing and output and on and on. It's just "dumb" here- in this ONE Apple product- but only until Apple adopts it... and then Apple won't be dumb for doing so. Only us consumers who now express a personal wish that Apple had gone ahead and embraced it in this "4" are dumb because, you know, Apple is always right in all things. Don't actually "think different." Comply. Resistance is futile. ;)
 
Why get one now when you know that Apple will introduce a 4k version, which will make your 4th generation device obsolete. Does anyone want to buy my first and second generation Apple TVs?
 
Wow. what a load of rubbish. Since when has resolution got anything to do with perceptive speed. Even if it were true - Zod forbid anyone might watch something slow and 4k.

Hope you enjoy your 480i CRT - probably black and white because, you know, colour is just pointless information.

Why do you think they show "comparisons" on the TV with still photos or slow pans?
Its because you can then see the difference.
If they put on a movie then those differences quickly disappear (unless you are watching "On Golden Pond").

Its all a case of "emperors new clothes"

http://www.cnet.com/news/why-ultra-hd-4k-tvs-are-still-stupid/.
 
By that logic, the USB-C connector was a really poor choice for the MacBook too... As was the lightning port move, and original USB even... or devices with multi-touch touchscreen covering the entire front of the device.


In general the ATV4 is just underwhelming for the amount of time Apple had between ATV2/3 and ATV4 to make a real stunner. Instead, with the ATV4, we got something that would have been decently compelling in 2013 that is beaten handily in price and features in 2015.

Lightening port? That's apple's connection so they launched when they did- not a good example. For original USB and touch screens, you're being dramatic. Based on the updates to Roku, Amazon Fire, tv boxes like Apple TV refresh every year or so, so there's always room to add new features to next years models. There's so little 4K content out, it doesn't make sense for Apple to support it until iTunes has 4K movies and shows. Why would Apple launch a 4K device when they have no 4K content in their library?
 
I'm a big Apple fan but the Apple TV is useless. it can't output 23.976 or 4k.
Sticking with my Nvidia Shield TV :)
 
its funny.... This article doesn't take into account that until a few years back the Apple TV was treated like a redheaded stepchild. It was buried deep in the iPod section. And had no ads. Contrast that to Roku, Google, Amazon etc which were treated like real products.

If you weren't into the tech world, you wouldn't know the Apple TV existed. The general public will gravitate to products that are advertised. Apple TV even being mentioned in the top of the steaming device market is astounding given how late Apple started treating it like a real product.
 
Single function devices like Apple TV is going to die off like the stand-alone GPS.

Inexpensive and versatile devices like Chromecast will survive along with multifunction devices like Odroid C2 ARM SBC that can play up to 4K h265 media plus run Android and Linux, Amazon Fire, Nvidia Shield, etc.
 
I'm a big Apple fan but the Apple TV is useless. it can't output 23.976 or 4k.
Sticking with my Nvidia Shield TV :)

Joe Schmo public doesn't care about 4K. They want to point a remote, click and watch. 4K will matter to them when networks start broadcasting it. Until then it's a gimmick to sell TVs. 4K only matters to us tech geeks. And we are a very small percentage of the market.
 
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I work for Charter communications and love Apple. Unfortunately Charter has a few "higher up" employees that dislike Apple. On the Roku 4 you can download the spectrum app and browse it just like a converter box, not to mention maxgo, HBO, starz etc. Most of these apps are useless if you have a Charter account. Charter just bought Time Warner and Bright house making their footprint even larger. Welcome to Apple TV black out people.
 
No it's not that they don't actually understand. The issue is that Apple has not yet endorsed it in THIS product so "nobody needs it," "it's stupid", "useless", "until every possible video in the iTunes store is available in 4K", "the chart" and on and on- the exact same collective mentality when Apple still clung to 720p MAX in :apple:TV2 while pretty much everyone else had already embraced 1080p.

Once Apple rolls out the :apple:TV5 "now with 4K", all this sentiment immediately evaporates... just as it did in the "720p is good enough" days. "We" will make up 100 reasons why 4K makes no sense now- most are identical to why 1080p made no sense then... but once Apple goes there, "we" won't call Apple out for stupidly embracing "the gimmick" with differences "I can't see (so you can't either)", etc.

Of course, you don't see those who pooh, pooh 4K so readily in :apple:TV threads over in iPhone threads applying the very same arguments against a product where Apple has already embraced 4K. Apparently, there it is perfectly fine, even "shut up and take my money"? Same with iMac's editing 4K, iPad Pro editing 4K, FCPX 4K editing and output and on and on. It's just "dumb" here- in this ONE Apple product- but only until Apple adopts it... and then Apple won't be dumb for doing so. Only us consumers who now express a personal wish that Apple had gone ahead and embraced it in this "4" are dumb because, you know, Apple is always right in all things. Don't actually "think different." Comply. Resistance is futile. ;)

I have a 4K tv and I still say 4K is a gimmick right now. More than half the US doesn't have the ability to stream it. And networks arent broadcasting it. If Apple brings out a 4K Apple TV, I am not rushing out to buy it.
 
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There's so little 4K content out, it doesn't make sense for Apple to support it until iTunes has 4K movies and shows. Why would Apple launch a 4K device when they have no 4K content in their library?

Because Apple rolled out iPhones that shoot 4K and touted that as a major feature. They rolled out 5K iMacs which are "perfect for displaying the full 4K frame during editing". They rolled out FCPX and iMovie so that pros or semi-pros can import 4K they shoot themselves, edit it at 4K and export it into a Quicktime .m4v container at 4K. They rolled out an iPad Pro and touted it's ability to edit three 4K streams simultaneously. iTunes will import that file just like any lessor format movie you want to store. In short, there is an all 4K chain from shooting to TV that looks like this:

iPhone 4K -> FCPX/iMovie edits -> iMac 5K or iPad Pro provides the hardware for that editing -> Quicktime 4K .m4v file -> iTunes (stores it) -> :apple:TV4 -> 4KTV ready to display 4K

Only 1 weak link in that almost entirely Apple chain... but it is the key "just works" one for displaying that 4K shot on those shiny new phones on that 4K TV ready to show it natively at 4K.
 
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