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Apple, please take note:

I am tired of these worthless updates. I bought an Apple TV because I don't want to subscribe to cable television, nor will I ever subscribe to cable television. If all you do is add content that requires a cable subscription to watch, then why even have an Apple TV in the first place?

Apple's products are almost always useful and meaningful, but the Apple TV is a joke. Please get out of bed with the stupid cable companies and give us an Apple TV that will completely change the way we watch television. Apple has always innovated their own path, please do the same with the Apple TV.

Bryan
And how do you propose Apple do that? Believe me I wish an app like HBO Go or Watch ESPN could be used a la carte without needing a cable subscription. Heck I can't even use Watch ESPN because they don't have an agreement with DirecTV. But this issue is a lot bigger than Apple and I don't see how Apple solves it other than spending hundreds of millions developing its own content like Netflix and Amazon.
 
These things are on my wish list for Apple TV. Full knowing that some are wishful thinking and in random order:

  • Netflix type subscription model for iTunes movies
  • Access to global TV programming
  • App store with applications and games and a dedicated controller
  • A redesign of the user interface
  • An iTunes match type of detection system that detects which DVD's I have and makes those titles available for free through the iTunes store
  • I like Roku's headphone jack in the remote
  • Ability to attach a USB drive with personal files

Just would like to add to that. The ability to upgrade SD digital copies that you end up getting with blu rays to an HD version even if it involves a small fee.
 
Why is there no free ad-supported internet television yet? Sure there is Hulu but you have to pay for it (on AppleTV) and STILL watch ads. I'm not doing that. I'm interested in either free television with Ads or pay television without ads. I'm sure Apple could make this happen if they just throw some bucks at the content providers.

Pay television without ads....When has that ever existed? One pays their cable bill to access television channels, and then is inundated with commercials (ie ads).

I for one would rather pay $7.99/mo and watch a few ads with Hulu+, then over $100 a month for what I want plus hundreds of channels I don't care about and still have commercials.
 
I'd like to see Apple throw a couple billion dollars at this problem. I'm sure they could make this much better...they'd just need to throw money at the content providers to get them to relax their idiotic "cable subscription required" rules.
Why should Apple have to spend billions of dollars to get cable companies and content providers to get with the future?
 
Why is there no free ad-supported internet television yet? Sure there is Hulu but you have to pay for it (on AppleTV) and STILL watch ads. I'm not doing that. I'm interested in either free television with Ads or pay television without ads. I'm sure Apple could make this happen if they just throw some bucks at the content providers.

I though about this too, but the conclusion that I came up with is that everything I want to watch is available already: TV shows, movies, documentaries and news. Everything else is reality TV (cooking shows, talkshows, dancing shows, singing shows and other competition style shows) and I'm happy to rid those out of my life.

General TV sucks big time. The cable is out the door as soon as I have a convenient way to stream everything through a convenient medium.

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Just would like to add to that. The ability to upgrade SD digital copies that you end up getting with blu rays to an HD version even if it involves a small fee.

Seconded!
 
I love all my Apple products.

But the Apple TV is a joke if you don't live in the US

Korean services in Denmark? Come on Apple - Give us local app's or Apple TV will die and be forgotten. Even the low cost tv in my office is full of local apps.
 
When will Apple create a cable registration that activates every app on the device? I'm tired of activating individual apps.

Yes. Yes. Yes.

I really wish this could happen. Log in with credentials under settings, Activate the email/login and all appropriate channels are UNLOCKED!

should be simple. make it happen Apple.
 
Doh! Something that would do exactly what is required is not a solution. What a strange world we live in.

It's still an expensive workaround that ties up your iDevice while you are watching catchup TV.

It's ok for occasional use but you have to admit having built in apps on the Apple TV would be a big improvement and should be easy enough for Apple to add if they could actually be bothered to look outside the USA.
 
Apple, please take note:

I am tired of these worthless updates. I bought an Apple TV because I don't want to subscribe to cable television, nor will I ever subscribe to cable television. If all you do is add content that requires a cable subscription to watch, then why even have an Apple TV in the first place?

I'm not sure why you bought an AppleTV then. Apple never claimed anything that the AppleTV doesn't do. I have a Hulu Plus account that gives me access to tons of stuff. I also buy lots of movies and tv shows from iTunes and I think AppleTV does more than what it said when I bought it.

By using the AppleTV instead of cable I save myself roughly $75 each month. I am confident that one day Apple will do something for those of us without cable subscriptions but I was never told that is the case today. Clearly you bought a product without understanding its benefits/uses.
 
YEAH! Apple still does not get that people want access to apps that do not ask to be subscribed to cable, I still can not access HBO Go with Charter Communications.


If Apple gets smart they would either add Amazon Prime movies and music or add their streaming service for Movies and TV shows.
 
Tried a few times but CNBC registration will not work. Comcast Xfinity. FoxNow worked fine.

Thanks for the update.

Not that I want to watch CNBC anyway but good to know it could be a Comcast/Xfinity Issue.

I switched from Verizon Fios to Xfinity this year and Lost my HISTORY Channel on AppleTV. that stinks.
 
I really wish the Apple TV would ask you where you live when you set it up and ask if you want to see local or international content (or both), then only show you what is relevant to your location.

I am glad that you can now easily hide stuff that isn't wanted now...
 
Wow, every one of these threads are the same.

What holds the model up now is not just ads. It's not the studios getting ad money and "greedy" cable taking the subscription. It's ads + subscription that makes it all go now.

We already have Apple's cut at al-a-carte. Had it for years. Subscribe to just the shows you want via the iTunes store. They even come with the benefit of commercial-free.

The al-a-carte that many think they can get (apparently by whining) is whole channels for near nothing. In other words, their math is 200 channels / $100 per month = 50 cents per channel. "I" want 10 channels, so my "new model" price should be about $5. Take 95% of the cash flow out of any business and that business will die.

The "requires cable subscription" issue is simple. All of the other players besides us consumers LIKE the model "as is". To make the big change "we" desire, THEY need to see how they are going to make MORE money- not less- by switching to what "we" seek. You guys keep whining about cutting the cord and cutting THEIR cash flows too. They don't want to make less money.

To get the al-a-carte "we" want then, involves a "new model" that would up the average revenue made per household now. If that is- say- $100/month now, the rest of the players probably want a "new model" to yield $125/month or more. So, "as is" is 200 channels for $100 month. New model will be "our" 10 or 15 favorite channels for $125/month or more. Channels wouldn't be priced at 50 cents each. They'd be priced like HBO at $10, $15, $20 or more EACH. The end result must be "more money" for the rest of the chain or they don't want to make the change. Why should they?

And what about those commercials? Commercials provide a subsidy. That's other people- companies- paying money into the model just hoping that you might see their commercial and buy something from them. If you have 10 or 15 favorite channels and "190 channels 'I' never watch", that's 190 channels running commercials you never see… that throw money into the pot to discount the model "as is" down to the $100 "we" pay. Kill the 190 channels "I" never watch and "we" kill a LOT of subsidy dollars.

How much is all those commercials worth in a monthly fee (for commercial-free) terms? I've done the math a few years ago. To get rid of all of the commercials and replace that with a monthly fee to make up for them, it would cost every household in America about $54/month.

The al-a-carte crowd is generally dreaming of $5/month, $10/month or maybe as much as $20-30/month. Plus $54/month? No way. But "we" expect the people that make the shows "we" do want to watch can keep making those shows anyway.

Then, there's the miserable dependency of any "new model" replacement over the internet. To connect us consumers with the cloud requires the replacement to work through pipes owned by the cable middlemen who likes their cable revenues "as is" now. Even if an Apple could motivate the Studios to take a HUGE risk and embrace the "new model" now, why should the cable middlemen allow Apple to take their cable TV revenues without making up for that revenues in- say- higher broadband rates.

I love the dream as much as the next guy but it falls apart as soon as we think beyond our own self interest. Very simply, the rest of the players in the chain can NOT make more money AND Apple piling on for a big cut while "we"- the source of all of the money in the model- get a huge discount. We already have programming created on the dirt cheap that might fit the al-a-carte "dirt cheap subscription" dream. It's called youtube.
 
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Why doesn't Apple TV have ONE place where I can enter my login details for my pay TV provider? Seriously, I have to enter the same login for all these channels? First world problem, I know, but still... It's annoying.
 
I'm not sure why you bought an AppleTV then. Apple never claimed anything that the AppleTV doesn't do. I have a Hulu Plus account that gives me access to tons of stuff. I also buy lots of movies and tv shows from iTunes and I think AppleTV does more than what it said when I bought it.

By using the AppleTV instead of cable I save myself roughly $75 each month. I am confident that one day Apple will do something for those of us without cable subscriptions but I was never told that is the case today. Clearly you bought a product without understanding its benefits/uses.

I bought it fully understanding what it can be used for. And like you, I buy movies from iTunes and I watch Netflix, etc. The Apple TV is great for that. But as far as expanding into other areas and experiencing growth, these channels that require cable subscriptions isn't doing much for people and it's certainly not going to cause the Apple TV's popularity to spiral up.

The Apple TV needs to be open to app developers and TV Channels/Sports Networks/etc need to have a pay as you go option for Apple TV users.

Bryan
 
Exactly why most of the apps on the apple tv are useles....they require a cable subscription. Why go through my apple tv when I can just use the VOD feature built into my cable box? The only app I think is better than VOD is HBO GO, but it is also subject to a cable subscription.

These apps (abc, fox, etc) are not going to be offered a la carte anytime soon.

I guess the only benefit is that you can share your cable log in with many people. I probably have about 20 people using my cable log in information.

Dunno if sharing info in the internet that you are scamming your cable company is a good thing.

Also the Apple TV apps are way better than any cable box VOD UI. and since so many of them charge monthly per set top box. I can use the Apple TV on a secondary tv to get content without an extra set top box from the cable company.
 
Do these updates include the second gen? I haven't used mine in years (replaced it with a '13 Mac Mini HTPC as it supports Blu-Ray rips, DTS, higher quality media from my server).

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Dunno if sharing info in the internet that you are scamming your cable company is a good thing.

Maybe he has 20 kids? :p
 
The only "channel" I want to see added is Plex. :D

Amen! I don't need anything else. I've been using a Mac Mini as a media center for about six years now and it's just about time to replace it. I'd like to turn it into a server for my local content and run Plex on a cheap streaming device like the AppleTV but, alas, no app store, thus no way to load Plex onto it.

As I said before, I'm giving the until the end of the year and then I'm going to break down and buy a Roku.
 
Wow, every one of these threads are the same.

What holds the model up now is not just ads. It's not the studios getting ad money and "greedy" cable taking the subscription. It's ads + subscription that makes it all go now.

We already have Apple's cut at al-a-carte. Had it for years. Subscribe to just the shows you want via the iTunes store. They even come with the benefit of commercial-free.

The al-a-carte that many think they can get (apparently by whining) is whole channels for near nothing. In other words, their math is 200 channels / $100 per month = 50 cents per channel. "I" want 10 channels, so my "new model" price should be about $5. Take 95% of the cash flow out of any business and that business will die.

The "requires cable subscription" issue is simple. All of the other players besides us consumers LIKE the model "as is". To make the big change "we" desire, THEY need to see how they are going to make MORE money- not less- by switching to what "we" seek. You guys keep whining about cutting the cord and cutting THEIR cash flows too. They don't want to make less money.

To get the al-a-carte "we" want then, involves a "new model" that would up the average revenue made per household now. If that is- say- $100/month now, the rest of the players probably want a "new model" to yield $125/month or more. So, "as is" is 200 channels for $100 month. New model will be "our" 10 or 15 favorite channels for $125/month or more. Channels wouldn't be priced at 50 cents each. They'd be priced like HBO at $10, $15, $20 or more EACH. The end result must be "more money" for the rest of the chain or they don't want to make the change. Why should they?

And what about those commercials? Commercials provide a subsidy. That's other people- companies- paying money into the model just hoping that you might see their commercial and buy something from them. If you have 10 or 15 favorite channels and "190 channels 'I' never watch", that's 190 channels running commercials you never see… that throw money into the pot to discount the model "as is" down to the $100 "we" pay. Kill the 190 channels "I" never watch and "we" kill a LOT of subsidy dollars.

How much is all those commercials worth in a monthly fee (for commercial-free) terms? I've done the math a few years ago. To get rid of all of the commercials and replace that with a monthly fee to make up for them, it would cost every household in America about $54/month.

The al-a-carte crowd is generally dreaming of $5/month, $10/month or maybe as much as $20-30/month. Plus $54/month? No way. But "we" expect the people that make the shows "we" do want to watch can keep making those shows anyway.

Then, there's the miserable dependency of any "new model" replacement over the internet. To connect us consumers with the cloud requires the replacement to work through pipes owned by the cable middlemen who likes their cable revenues "as is" now. Even if an Apple could motivate the Studios to take a HUGE risk and embrace the "new model" now, why should the cable middlemen allow Apple to take their cable TV revenues without making up for that revenues in- say- higher broadband rates.

I love the dream as much as the next guy but it falls apart as soon as we think beyond our own self interest. Very simply, the rest of the players in the chain can NOT make more money AND Apple piling on for a big cut while "we"- the source of all of the money in the model- get a huge discount. We already have programming created on the dirt cheap that might fit the al-a-carte "dirt cheap subscription" dream. It's called youtube.

Thank You for posting this. You explained this so perfectly. Now if only people would pay attention.
 
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