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More useless channels for those of us who use an AppleTV because we ditched cable/satellite.

Imagine you buy a small electric car for your daily trips but you still need to fuel your big truck otherwise your small electric car won't start. That's what's happening with all these new AppleTV channels.

It's insane, that's the only way to describe it.

I have cable in my house, just no cable box in my room. So it's still great to watch ESPN or FOX and never have to use a cable box or need a coax cable.
 
All of it is useless to me, as I don't subscribe any cable company, but the mere fact that there's this much activity on the platform of late makes me cautiously optimistic that there's big things coming down the pipe, and we'll see them soon. :)
 
When will Apple create a cable registration that activates every app on the device? I'm tired of activating individual apps.

Yes. Thank you. This needs to happen. I got tired of entering in all these things every time they added a channel, so i just stopped. Maybe if they give the option of one registration or individual.
 
I love the dream as much as the next guy but it falls apart as soon as we think beyond our own self interest.

It's not like the cable companies are looking out for anything but their own interest. They try to screw me, I screw them right back and won't for a second feel bad about it. Hence, I pay TWC $30 and change for their 15/1 bare internet, use somebody's Hulu and Netflix subs, somebody else's HBO GO sub, pay for some shows, and everybody else can pretty much stare greedily at the death grip I have on my wallet.
 
Apple, please take note:

I am tired of these worthless updates. I bought an Apple TV because I don't want to subscribe to cable television, nor will I ever subscribe to cable television. If all you do is add content that requires a cable subscription to watch, then why even have an Apple TV in the first place?

Apple's products are almost always useful and meaningful, but the Apple TV is a joke. Please get out of bed with the stupid cable companies and give us an Apple TV that will completely change the way we watch television. Apple has always innovated their own path, please do the same with the Apple TV.

Bryan

Bryan please take note:

Content owners OWN all the content you want to see. They will ONLY let you access them in a specific way. Apple has absolutely no power to tell them what to do.... They tried already and they basically told Apple to go kick rocks.
 
YEAH! Apple still does not get that people want access to apps that do not ask to be subscribed to cable, I still can not access HBO Go with Charter Communications.


If Apple gets smart they would either add Amazon Prime movies and music or add their streaming service for Movies and TV shows.

Why would Amazon let them do that when they have their own streaming box?

The problem here is that it simply doesn't make sense for Apple to pay the billions of dollars the content providers want in order to have streaming unless they start up their own subscription based service like Netflix. I don't think that's something that's on Apple's radar at the moment, especially since so much content is already tied up with either Amazon or Netflix. I really don't think it's that the people at Apple are too ~dumb~ to get what people want, it's just probably not worth it at the moment.

The industry just isn't at the point where the cable tv providers feel comfortable allowing access without a cable subscription. Streaming as an industry is still pretty young and these are huge behemoths who don't like change.
 
Wow, every one of these threads are the same.

What holds the model up now is not just ads. It's not the studios getting ad money and "greedy" cable taking the subscription. It's ads + subscription that makes it all go now.
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Spot on, but one point that I personally disagree with. I currently pay 100 dollars per month (Netherlands) for indeed about 200 channels of which I occasionally watch about 15. I would gladly pay that same amount of money for only those 15 channels if it would rid me of at least 50% of the advertisements and hidden advertising in TV programs.

Many of us aren't looking for cheap TV, but premium TV that is convenient to watch. A 2 hour movie in The Netherlands on one of the commercial channels is cut into 10 pieces with each at least 5 minutes of commercials in between, and if you are unlucky even a newscast of 30 minutes.

We are now in the extreme corner with low quality TV book-ended by hours of nonsense commercials. I see the commercial model and value of advertisements etc, but we have gone to much into that extreme.

We don't have to go all cheap, but I would like to have an option to pay selectively for what I want to watch at a fair price and for that price be rid of product placement programs and commercials. We currently have no option at all than to watch utter crap with crap intermissions about crap.
 
Until they break from the cable stranglehold, this is moot. Oh well, keeps me from watching mindless crap anyway. Much better ways to spend my time.

Cable TV and television networks in general have seen the future of production direct internet video distribution and they are scared to death of it.

From that, they have mocked up many bizarre deals where advertising is sold distributed across a bundle of channels. Thus, selling a la cart breaks the contract of the advertising sold. This forces all of these channels sold together to the end customer.

IMO, it is nothing but the same crap railroads did selling "minimum transport volumes" to keep their rails lines running when the Interstate system came in during the '50s.
 
And yet they offer Amazon Instant Video on other platforms, including game consoles. So, I don't think they are that serious about forcing people to their streaming box.


Well said, I do not get this people that constantly keep trying to come up with excuses why Amazon Prime can not be on Apple without any proof.
 
Bryan please take note:

Content owners OWN all the content you want to see. They will ONLY let you access them in a specific way. Apple has absolutely no power to tell them what to do.... They tried already and they basically told Apple to go kick rocks.

I hear you and that makes sense. If this is a dead-end for Apple, then they need to cut the cord and let it go. Apple has never been a company to hold on to things that don't have a future in them. Hopefully, there is a glimmer of hope for Apple in the TV/Broadcast market.

Bryan
 
The industry just isn't at the point where the cable tv providers feel comfortable allowing access without a cable subscription. Streaming as an industry is still pretty young and these are huge behemoths who don't like change.


You are joking right? DVD/Blu Ray sales are down just like Movie Theaters, people rather have simpler way for access to movies and TV shows. I can only assume you have not walked into stores like Best Buy because if you do you would notice there is only few isles of DVD/Blu Rays because sales for it are not so great as they use to be.
 
Wow, every one of these threads are the same.

What holds the model up now is not just ads. It's not the studios getting ad money and "greedy" cable taking the subscription. It's ads + subscription that makes it all go now.

We already have Apple's cut at al-a-carte. Had it for years. Subscribe to just the shows you want via the iTunes store. They even come with the benefit of commercial-free.

The al-a-carte that many think they can get (apparently by whining) is whole channels for near nothing. In other words, their math is 200 channels / $100 per month = 50 cents per channel. "I" want 10 channels, so my "new model" price should be about $5. Take 95% of the cash flow out of any business and that business will die.

The "requires cable subscription" issue is simple. All of the other players besides us consumers LIKE the model "as is". To make the big change "we" desire, THEY need to see how they are going to make MORE money- not less- by switching to what "we" seek. You guys keep whining about cutting the cord and cutting THEIR cash flows too. They don't want to make less money.

To get the al-a-carte "we" want then, involves a "new model" that would up the average revenue made per household now. If that is- say- $100/month now, the rest of the players probably want a "new model" to yield $125/month or more. So, "as is" is 200 channels for $100 month. New model will be "our" 10 or 15 favorite channels for $125/month or more. Channels wouldn't be priced at 50 cents each. They'd be priced like HBO at $10, $15, $20 or more EACH. The end result must be "more money" for the rest of the chain or they don't want to make the change. Why should they?

And what about those commercials? Commercials provide a subsidy. That's other people- companies- paying money into the model just hoping that you might see their commercial and buy something from them. If you have 10 or 15 favorite channels and "190 channels 'I' never watch", that's 190 channels running commercials you never see… that throw money into the pot to discount the model "as is" down to the $100 "we" pay. Kill the 190 channels "I" never watch and "we" kill a LOT of subsidy dollars.

How much is all those commercials worth in a monthly fee (for commercial-free) terms? I've done the math a few years ago. To get rid of all of the commercials and replace that with a monthly fee to make up for them, it would cost every household in America about $54/month.

The al-a-carte crowd is generally dreaming of $5/month, $10/month or maybe as much as $20-30/month. Plus $54/month? No way. But "we" expect the people that make the shows "we" do want to watch can keep making those shows anyway.

Then, there's the miserable dependency of any "new model" replacement over the internet. To connect us consumers with the cloud requires the replacement to work through pipes owned by the cable middlemen who likes their cable revenues "as is" now. Even if an Apple could motivate the Studios to take a HUGE risk and embrace the "new model" now, why should the cable middlemen allow Apple to take their cable TV revenues without making up for that revenues in- say- higher broadband rates.

I love the dream as much as the next guy but it falls apart as soon as we think beyond our own self interest. Very simply, the rest of the players in the chain can NOT make more money AND Apple piling on for a big cut while "we"- the source of all of the money in the model- get a huge discount. We already have programming created on the dirt cheap that might fit the al-a-carte "dirt cheap subscription" dream. It's called youtube.

A very logical, well thought out post. Most will probably ignore and continue to rant.
 
Bryan please take note:

Content owners OWN all the content you want to see. They will ONLY let you access them in a specific way. Apple has absolutely no power to tell them what to do.... They tried already and they basically told Apple to go kick rocks.


This would never happen if Steve Jobs was still around he would never take crap from any of this corporate monopolists sadly we got Tim Cook who just wants to play fair.

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Wow, every one of these threads are the same.

What holds the model up now is not just ads. It's not the studios getting ad money and "greedy" cable taking the subscription. It's ads + subscription that makes it all go now.

We already have Apple's cut at al-a-carte. Had it for years. Subscribe to just the shows you want via the iTunes store. They even come with the benefit of commercial-free.

The al-a-carte that many think they can get (apparently by whining) is whole channels for near nothing. In other words, their math is 200 channels / $100 per month = 50 cents per channel. "I" want 10 channels, so my "new model" price should be about $5. Take 95% of the cash flow out of any business and that business will die.

The "requires cable subscription" issue is simple. All of the other players besides us consumers LIKE the model "as is". To make the big change "we" desire, THEY need to see how they are going to make MORE money- not less- by switching to what "we" seek. You guys keep whining about cutting the cord and cutting THEIR cash flows too. They don't want to make less money.

To get the al-a-carte "we" want then, involves a "new model" that would up the average revenue made per household now. If that is- say- $100/month now, the rest of the players probably want a "new model" to yield $125/month or more. So, "as is" is 200 channels for $100 month. New model will be "our" 10 or 15 favorite channels for $125/month or more. Channels wouldn't be priced at 50 cents each. They'd be priced like HBO at $10, $15, $20 or more EACH. The end result must be "more money" for the rest of the chain or they don't want to make the change. Why should they?

And what about those commercials? Commercials provide a subsidy. That's other people- companies- paying money into the model just hoping that you might see their commercial and buy something from them. If you have 10 or 15 favorite channels and "190 channels 'I' never watch", that's 190 channels running commercials you never see… that throw money into the pot to discount the model "as is" down to the $100 "we" pay. Kill the 190 channels "I" never watch and "we" kill a LOT of subsidy dollars.

How much is all those commercials worth in a monthly fee (for commercial-free) terms? I've done the math a few years ago. To get rid of all of the commercials and replace that with a monthly fee to make up for them, it would cost every household in America about $54/month.

The al-a-carte crowd is generally dreaming of $5/month, $10/month or maybe as much as $20-30/month. Plus $54/month? No way. But "we" expect the people that make the shows "we" do want to watch can keep making those shows anyway.

Then, there's the miserable dependency of any "new model" replacement over the internet. To connect us consumers with the cloud requires the replacement to work through pipes owned by the cable middlemen who likes their cable revenues "as is" now. Even if an Apple could motivate the Studios to take a HUGE risk and embrace the "new model" now, why should the cable middlemen allow Apple to take their cable TV revenues without making up for that revenues in- say- higher broadband rates.

I love the dream as much as the next guy but it falls apart as soon as we think beyond our own self interest. Very simply, the rest of the players in the chain can NOT make more money AND Apple piling on for a big cut while "we"- the source of all of the money in the model- get a huge discount. We already have programming created on the dirt cheap that might fit the al-a-carte "dirt cheap subscription" dream. It's called youtube.



Okay, than can you explain why Charter Communication does not allow access to HBO Go on Apple TV yet but only through my iPhone? There is no excuse for this when many cable companies allow it.
 
because they have to wait until they negotiate a new contract with Time Warner

and like time warner cable they are a cable company with no content they own. so they have to get profits by upselling to DVR and higher internet speeds. the opposite of allowing people to stream content from an app

This would never happen if Steve Jobs was still around he would never take crap from any of this corporate monopolists sadly we got Tim Cook who just wants to play fair.

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Okay, than can you explain why Charter Communication does not allow access to HBO Go on Apple TV yet but only through my iPhone? There is no excuse for this when many cable companies allow it.
 
You are joking right? DVD/Blu Ray sales are down just like Movie Theaters, people rather have simpler way for access to movies and TV shows. I can only assume you have not walked into stores like Best Buy because if you do you would notice there is only few isles of DVD/Blu Rays because sales for it are not so great as they use to be.

What on earth makes you think I was talking about dvds and blu-rays? I was talking about streaming content in comparison to the model of purchasing cable, which is in the sentence you quoted... Apple already has the purchase market pretty much locked down through iTunes.
 
Single Sign On?

Am I the only person who thinks apple needs a single sign on for cable providers? Something in icloud that would work on iOS, ATV, OSX
 
What on earth makes you think I was talking about dvds and blu-rays? I was talking about streaming content in comparison to the model of purchasing cable, which is in the sentence you quoted... Apple already has the purchase market pretty much locked down through iTunes.

right now the content companies share in an average bounty of $35 per account per month before premium channels plus selling ads.

if they sold a la carte they would have to set up billing systems, hire people, pay CC company to process payment or pay apple, etc.
when you figure plain internet is $55 a month, you aren't going to save much buying a la carte. easier to pay an extra $10 or $20 a month and just get more TV than you can watch.
 
because they have to wait until they negotiate a new contract with Time Warner

and like time warner cable they are a cable company with no content they own. so they have to get profits by upselling to DVR and higher internet speeds. the opposite of allowing people to stream content from an app


What are you talking about Time Warner having no content of their own? Like Comcast they have many Networks of their own with their own content on it, please do not be a fool now this companies know what they are doing unlike other cable companies that still are just cable companies that do not even cable networks of their own.
 
What are you talking about Time Warner having no content of their own? Like Comcast they have many Networks of their own with their own content on it, please do not be a fool now this companies know what they are doing unlike other cable companies that still are just cable companies that do not even cable networks of their own.

time warner and time warner cable are completely separate companies
 
I hear you and that makes sense. If this is a dead-end for Apple, then they need to cut the cord and let it go. Apple has never been a company to hold on to things that don't have a future in them. Hopefully, there is a glimmer of hope for Apple in the TV/Broadcast market.

Bryan
Apple TV is primarily a way for consumers, particularly those already in the Apple ecosystem, to watch iTunes product on their TV without having the computer tied up and having to sit next to them as they do. It's a convenience that helps sell Apple product.

Until people come to accept that, they are going to be unhappy with the aTV.

Sorry to burst all of your bubbles.
 
This would never happen if Steve Jobs was still around he would never take crap from any of this corporate monopolists sadly we got Tim Cook who just wants to play fair.

What makes you think Steve Jobs wasn't trying to do something about this when he was alive?
 
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