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Apple should FIRST focus on 100% functionality, problems fixing before keeping themselves busy with gimmicks.

I'm still waiting to get the smb stuff working as it should be for example.

I don't think you'd want the designers at Apple to start working on the implementation of network protocols...
 
Does it mean new macs are coming before ML? Or is it something they did just to be on the safe side?

It seems that Apple has very rarely delayed a release of a hardware product to coincide with a major software release. If the time for a new product just happens to line up well, they may delay it a couple weeks at most it seems. Not when we're talking a couple months though. If Apple has hardware ready next week, they're not going to hold it til July pending the release of Mountain Lion.

Why this idea persists is strange to me.
 
Something about that new icon looks a bit more sinister than the older one. The left one could happily be a friendly bending unit, whilst the new one looks like it wants to kill all humans.
 
I fully agree. Apple should FIRST focus on 100% functionality, problems fixing before keeping themselves busy with gimmicks.

I'm still waiting to get the smb stuff working as it should be for example. Document sharing hardly works or only works for a brief moment until you reboot :mad:

You see, companies like to have things called departments or teams.

Groups of people who focus solely on the tasks they have the training and experience to accomplish. A design department working on Networking or any form of programming would do a terrible job because their and experience is completely different. Now icons on the other hand, they are great at that.

Now i know the idea is too complex for some people to understand, but having say 10 people working on a project does not mean all their roles are interchangeable.
 
I feel like very few people use Automator?

I'm not trying to start a fight, but I've only used it a few times for the kind of tasks it's designed for, and otherwise I just find it's easier to just do whatever it is I'd be asking it to do.

That said, I also feel like it's used less than Exposé had been or Front Row, two great tools Apple decided weren't useful enough :( .. and I did know a lot of people who used exposé, at least...
Expose for one was not a program like Automator.
 
It seems that Apple has very rarely delayed a release of a hardware product to coincide with a major software release. If the time for a new product just happens to line up well, they may delay it a couple weeks at most it seems. Not when we're talking a couple months though. If Apple has hardware ready next week, they're not going to hold it til July pending the release of Mountain Lion.

Why this idea persists is strange to me.

This does make sense in terms of a high-resolution display however. Apple will want to make sure that either the current or future versions of OS X will be sufficient to show off the screen and provide a beautiful interface. Simple upping the resolution of the screen without adjusting the applications and interface would be a travesty.
 
Seriously - wouldn't more Apple OSX users be happier if Active Directory support went from "sometimes works" to "mostly works"?

Seriously, I can't believe that some people are clueless enough that they think the guy who renders art for the icon is the same one who would be fixing bugs in code. Wow.
 
"Apple Tweaking More Icons", or "Apple Re-arranging the Deck Chairs"?

Seriously - wouldn't more Apple OSX users be happier if Active Directory support went from "sometimes works" to "mostly works"? Or if CIFS support improved to "mostly works"?

Or, should Apple OSX users read the tea leaves and look for another platform?
The Mac is finally showing signs of life again, and even then it's a bad thing? :confused:
I think it's clear that Apple is not tweaking icons just for the sake of tweaking icons. They are throwing out old artwork that isn't available in higher resolutions (just like they did in 10.7.3 with the old "pixel art" mouse cursors). In case of the Automator Icon, the original was probably created as a 512x512px bitmap and therefore had to be recreated for the new requirement of 1024x1024px.

Look at the TextEdit screenshot in the HiDPI section of John Siracusa's Lion review at Arstechnica. Then launch TextEdit in HiDPI mode on 10.7.3 or newer. Notice something? All the HiDPI glitches that were present in 10.7.0 are gone now.

Apple is clearly working hard on Lion's HiDPI support and the fact that they still do suggest that we'll see the first HiDPI Mac before Mountain Lion is released.


If it's not an Itoy, Apple doesn't seem to care anymore.
Well... that's where the money comes from.


Am I the only one who thinks a retina MBP (or infact any computer) would be a really bad idea? It's great for the iPhone and iPad where people are designing for a device that they know all about, and it's also different because the screens are both fairly small in comparison to the average computer screen, but a laptop with a super hi-res screen would just be a baaaaaad idea.
Nope, they scrapped the old plans for "real" resolution independence with Lion and switched to the same HiDPI implementation as in iOS. It's completely backwards-compatible and the developer workflow is exactly the same: You just provide 2x versions for each bitmap and everything else works more or less out of the box.


I think HiDPI icons in 10.7 Lion doesn't necessarily mean a new hardware upgrade.

Maybe they just want to give the option to users who run Thunderbolt Displays or maybe they're going to release Retina Thunderbolt Display - many people attach the displays to older Mac Mini's or Pro's.
Current Thunderbolt Displays are not HiDPI displays. None of the Mac Displays are. And if they start transitioning Macs to HiDPI displays, the large 20+ inch display will probably be last, since these displays are still very expensive in large sizes.
 
It would be great to finally get some really high pixel density displays on macbooks now that the iPad looks so much better in comparison. Better viewing angle would be great as well though.
 
perhaps its just me, but the original automator icon looks far better rendered in terms of shadowing and reflection detail

It's not just you; it does look better. They're progressively going to a more "cel-shaded" look a-la iOS for Mac OS X.... it's kind of saddening. Less detail, more candy-like appearance...
 
bleh

I really REALLY hope this retina **** doesn't force ALL web designers to use 1x and 2x graphics in websites.

With all this responsive design craze, plus the retina mobile graphics, adding a whole new complexity would be retina desktop graphics in the web space.

fml

should have become a truck driver :(
 
Even applications that do not immediately update their resources to HiDPI quality should see improvements in sharpness, as Apple will undoubtedly include the same font scaling improvements used in iOS to automatically scale up text in applications to HiDPI resolution.

Actually it depends entirely on how the app was written. I don't know for certain, but I think it must be written using Cocoa.

All I know is that when I enabled HiDPI mode with my 27" Cinema Display to show 1280 x 720 (HiDPI), some text editors rendered text in the correct resolution (Like Textedit, Textmate, and Safari), while others rendered pixelated text (Sublime Text 2, Chrome and every other web browser)
 
So here comes my first posting on this site. The topic leads me to believe that the chances are increasing that I may become a "Mac convert". A high resolution Mac Book Pro and potentially iMac may be exactly what could replace my current stuff.

I'm interested in lots and lots of screen real estate and high quality screens for very different types of applications. I know that some folks don't like that and are concerned about small fonts, icons, almost empty browsers etc. I do most of my work on an old high res 14" ThinkPad and it's just perfect for me. However, on the PC side of things these kind of screens are harder to come by now.

So again, hoping to see Apple fill that void now just at the right time for me and I may be willing to go through the expensive and radical switch. A fast 15" with a 150ppi resolution or more would be just perfect. Same with a 21" or 27" iMac (ideally somewhere in between). I tried out a current 27" iMac and everything just feels way too big for my taste. Waste of space it seems.
 
DVD Player can play video_ts files too.

Yes. I know. So can the new QuickTime . My point was Apple is refining the DVD player application icon which means several things. Most importantly being Apple will still expect Mac users to use the DVD application to play DVD's. Either via an external or internal drive and the display will either be on a laptop or a new display.

And Aiden you know very well the "average" user could care less about active directory services.

This is a new era when the majority of Mac users are your typical family and no longer a clique of nerds or IT/Networking pros.
 
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I was just trying to explain to myself why they might have upgraded the icon an not be including a DVD drive in the next MBP's(i don't want a ODD!)

you are absolutely right.

Because some people will still be using external disc drives.
 
Well if the retina display MBP comes with the same screen real estate as the 1440x900 that would be a major fail by Apple. I still hope they won't do that.
 
With HiDPI coming, what does mean for current (standard) hardware? Will we see anything sharper or will we be able to simply view some things at a larger size?

Neither really. Larger apple doesn't do, it's a long lost promise for more than a decade, and you might want to try hidpi on your say 27" iMac screen, but it will take a huge part of your screen real estate away for you.

That's apple for you nowadays killing two birds with one stone, no need to hire more people to implement real resolution independence, no need for support that is also on all macs sold until now, and an extra incentive for you to buy a new mac with hidpi...

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I don't think you'd want the designers at Apple to start working on the implementation of network protocols...

Apparently their current smb implementation is as good as if they had the ui designers working on it... :rolleyes:

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Yes. I know. So can the new QuickTime . My point was Apple is refining the DVD player application icon which means several things. Most importantly being Apple will still expect Mac users to use the DVD application to play DVD's. Either via an external or internal drive and the display will either be on a laptop or a new display.

And Aiden you know very well the "average" user could care less about active directory services.

This is a new era when the majority of Mac users are your typical family and no longer a clique of nerds or IT/Networking pros.

This new era of soccer moms, snotty hipsters to be kids, and dads who use computers to check out their pron and stocks and think that a hard drive is something you only have in your first couple of years married to wify, that apple is ushering in brings a wave of enthusiasm to anyone using their macs in any professional capacity.

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You see, companies like to have things called departments or teams.

Groups of people who focus solely on the tasks they have the training and experience to accomplish. A design department working on Networking or any form of programming would do a terrible job because their and experience is completely different. Now icons on the other hand, they are great at that.

Now i know the idea is too complex for some people to understand, but having say 10 people working on a project does not mean all their roles are interchangeable.

Yeah well, if neither dept. are doing a stellar job, and if one dept. Oh say the networking one is doing a particularly **** job, maybe they should try spending a bit from that pile of cash that they are not taking to their grave anyway and hire some more people for their teams. It's one thing touting creating jobs for ups drivers, and it's a another one to actually create jobs for your apparently way under stuffed os teams instead of shifting them back and forth.
 
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