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change is good...

It will definitely take some getting used to: swipe up for unlocking, look of native apps, etc. I am very happy with the direction they are going. They needed a huge overhaul, and they demonstrated that they care about software/end user experience. Control Center will be awesome, and Siri is finally smarter.
"Can't innovate anymore...my ass." - Phil Schiller
 
I think it looks great, Apple finally is bringing their A game again. Now let's see what they have in store for the next iPhone... I'd like to see iOS 7 on an iPhone with a larger screen. Either way, I think it looks cool and at least they are finally getting around to some long overdo updates.
 
iOS 7 looked very fast and smooth now that I've watched the show. I'm far more impressed with it than I thought I'd be, can't wait to see what it does on the iPad.
 
I am a bit sad now, because I don't know where Apple is going, from 2007 until 2011 or so they always had big innovations and I was always so excited. Now I think its just change because of change. Change is good but one has to be very careful with it.

I really hope you weren't referring to iOS in the 2007 to 2011 reference you just made because short of a few minor upgrades and the same home screen of iOS 7 there was no change in comparison to the rest of the mobile industry.

Heck. Even Microsoft out did Apple today and most of the Apple faithful wouldn't consider a Microsoft mobile OS.

Even Blackberry has more with BBS and BB 10.1

What's going to happen in the Fall when iOS 7Late is released and everyone else has their new upgrades?

Gives Apple a clear upgrade map to copy because what was introduced today was an embarrassment for Apple and the smugness that they showed during the presentation slamming everything they copied was nothing short of desperation.

Good luck with the 4" 5si screen in the Fall because that's where Apple's stock is heading. Falling back to 300 or maybe less.
 
My guess is you've never used a flagship Android phone and you are making assumptions about iOS 7 without compromises by one demo and not having ever used it means that you will likely forever be in the safe compounds of Apple's Walled Garden of denial.

Well sir, all of your assumptions are entirely off.

I have extensively used several phones, Android, W8, BB10, Symbian back in the day... flagships.

Non of them comes closer to iOS in terms of stability.

iOS 7 is really bogus, yet it is almost as stable as Android. Being the first beta is saying more than enough.
 
I'll admit the icons look kinda weird but the way the apps actually function is pretty sweet. Finally Apple has a decent weather app but as someone else mentioned it looks quite similar to the Yahoo weather app. How did Apple get away with that one?
 
Well sir, all of your assumptions are entirely off.

I have extensively used several phones, Android, W8, BB10, Symbian back in the day... flagships.

Non of them comes closer to iOS in terms of stability.

iOS 7 is really bogus, yet it is almost as stable as Android. Being the first beta is saying more than enough.

Aerosmith has a great song.

Dream on.

Maybe they should have played that today instead of Zeplin.
 
I'll admit the icons look kinda weird but the way the apps actually function is pretty sweet. Finally Apple has a decent weather app but as someone else mentioned it looks quite similar to the Yahoo weather app. How did Apple get away with that one?

doesnt ios weather use yahoo weather for data
 
So is iOS6 the end of the line for iPad 3rd Gen and some iPhone/iPod models?

Would love to see Apple now release a 4.5-4.7 inch phone with this OS. I cannot see myself coming back to the brand until Apple realises there is a demand for this.

I know some people will say the elongated 4 inch screen is a good size but I believe in the Goldilocks principle of "Not too Big", "Not too Little", but "Just Right"

I also believe in Santa as well so maybe he'll bring me this bigger iPhone some day :D
 
I'll admit the icons look kinda weird but the way the apps actually function is pretty sweet. Finally Apple has a decent weather app but as someone else mentioned it looks quite similar to the Yahoo weather app. How did Apple get away with that one?

They get their weather data from Yahoo! -- my guess is Yahoo! had a hand in designing the new app under the stipulation they get to release something similar for their own app.
 
I really hope you weren't referring to iOS in the 2007 to 2011 reference you just made because short of a few minor upgrades and the same home screen of iOS 7 there was no change in comparison to the rest of the mobile industry.

Heck. Even Microsoft out did Apple today and most of the Apple faithful wouldn't consider a Microsoft mobile OS.

Even Blackberry has more with BBS and BB 10.1

What's going to happen in the Fall when iOS 7Late is released and everyone else has their new upgrades?

Gives Apple a clear upgrade map to copy because what was introduced today was an embarrassment for Apple and the smugness that they showed during the presentation slamming everything they copied was nothing short of desperation.

I think today was a step back in terms of usability in lots of ways, but your comment does not sense to me. What on earth are people doing with phones that iOS was suffering with? Seriously most the features people mention that are missing most people don't care about. Most people surf Internet, send email and messages, play games and take pictures. All the phones are about the same in this regard, and I find Apple's implantation has been great. Based on the number of people who actually take pictures with their phone or surf the Internet it seems apple is pretty dominant.

Styles change so apple updated the style to keep up with fashion. I dont like it but lots do. Usability and feature wise apple just has to keep up with some pointless features on other platforms that 1% of people care about so the press doesn't cry and say oh noes apple is behind.

Their is one area apple lags that actually does matter - the state of their cloud. Little else matters in day to day phone use for most people. My mom bought an iPhone and she barely uses any features besides FaceTime, email, and iMessage, and the Internet. Multitasking, widgets and crap like that would detract from her experience by making things even more confusing. I need to remember to tell her not to upgrade to 7 because it will be more confusing than 6 for her.
 
Black iPhone

Is there a way to look at those screens on a Black iPhone? Wondering if there is any theming?
 
another apple original

I see a lot of Metro inspiration....

how exactly? that sounds like sayin' just to be sayin'. metro is huge solid color blocks with giant words going off the edge of the page. this is delicate, intricate, multilayered and a different color palette. i think it's great, borrowing a bit here and there but definitely original. the flatness with transparency and multidimensional reactive design is genius. can't wait to get my hands on it.
 
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I saw so many great mock-ups and artworks of iOS 7. They should have hired those guys. I can't believe these icons have passed through Jony's table. How can someone with such great taste approve something this ******?

I thought one of the major targets of this update was to get a more unified look where it looks like all the default apps were designed by the same team. Sorry, but this grid thing they demoed doesn't make that happen. They still awfully different and really ****** like the Safari icon. The functionalities look great and I will probably update, but aesthetically I don't think this any better than Forstall's crap.

I think this were Cook's lack of taste in design shows. He's so hopelessly an engineer that I think he lets Jony do WHATEVER he wants and just says good work, sir. Jony had a big hand in making Apple design what it is, but no genius makes amazing work if left totally unchecked and unchallenged.
 
I saw so many great mock-ups and artworks of iOS 7. They should have hired those guys. I can't believe these icons have passed through Jony's table. How can someone with such great taste approve something this ******?

I thought one of the major targets of this update was to get a more unified look where it looks like all the default apps were designed by the same team. Sorry, but this grid thing they demoed doesn't make that happen. They still awfully different and really ****** like the Safari icon. The functionalities look great and I will probably update, but aesthetically I don't think this any better than Forstall's crap.

I think this were Cook's lack of taste in design shows. He's so hopelessly an engineer that I think he lets Jony do WHATEVER he wants and just says good work, sir. Jony had a big hand in making Apple design what it is, but no genius makes amazing work if left totally unchecked and unchallenged.

I GUARANTEE you we'll eventually hear stories about how this wasn't ready yet, but they had to put it out for WWDC so they could beta test it for the iPhone 5s release.

There are just so many inconsistencies, and Ive honestly looked ill-at-ease during much of the conference. Usually he exudes confidence...here he avoided the stage and looked like he didn't want to be there.
 
I think the typography of iOS7 is really beautiful, as well as this space wallpaper they have shown in the video. Also the flatter look of calendar and all the other apps is great, personally I think flatness is something nice since it matches the design of the hardware in avoiding complex stuff and focusing on simple concepts.

However, the icons are just hideous, and i mean all of them. I am no graphic designer, but I am a painter, and consider myself to have a trong feeling for shapes and colours, and these icons do not match at all the feeling of the user interface. Honestly, the safari icon looks like windows 95 times.

I just cannot believe how this works. I mean honestly, think of this, Apple is a company with 100 billion dollars cash reserves, that means they can/could hire the best of the best graphic designers if they want to, play around with a lot of styles, iterate and come up with a great design in the end. But the idea that these icons are approved by a team of people that are all responsible for design, in such an influental company like Apple, just freaks me out. I am not a graphic designer, but I honestly think that I could create better icons than that. Because if they wanted to design flat icons then why include these gradients in the back and these neon color schemes. Somehow reminds me on snowboarders from the 80s.

I really admire the work of Johnny Ive regarding hardware, the unibody Macbook design is a masterpiece in my eyes, but when it comes to graphic design, no, they should use their 100 billion dollar cash reserves and hire someone only working for that, someone that has a good feeling for shapes and colors.

I am a bit sad now, because I don't know where Apple is going, from 2007 until 2011 or so they always had big innovations and I was always so excited. Now I think its just change because of change. Change is good but one has to be very careful with it.

That's the problem with your thinking. As a painter, you think 'painting' will add emotion to the icons. Design is more than just getting "emo". I'm an artist and designer so I understand what they're trying to do here.

Do you know why those icons have rounded corners in a grid? To relate to the hardware design of the iphone, ipad and ipod (and of course iMac) form. Look at the corners of the phone, the screen and the icons. A shape within a shape.

It worked pretty well but it can't stay that way forever.

The skeumorphism that Forstall tried to instill is CHILDISH. Period. Very, very gay, I hate to say it. My opinion, not your's. Going flat is the right approach since it's easier on the eyes. Going for the 'eye candy' detracts from what an OS is supposed to do. It seems they're trying to go back to function over form a bit which is good.

You said this: that means they can/could hire the best of the best graphic designers if they want to, play around with a lot of styles, iterate and come up with a great design in the end.

I don't think you have any idea how graphic design works out there. Playing around with a lot of styles is a waste of time. That's like asking Daft Punk to play around with tunes and until they get a good sound out of it. That's not how it works. Daft Punk did a lot of research and had to hire people to play and sing tracks, so that they can take in the recorded bits and edit the entire album which took them more than a couple of years to do.

You don't "fool around" with styles and concepts on a company's time and money. Design takes research, not emotional feelings. In fact, the way I see it, Apple's going a bit 'old school' here which is a good thing. I hate the current iOS6 look because it's too garish and simplistic. Some of the gesture UIs made no sense to me until iOS 7 changed it up.

I grew up in the 70s and can see the fonts have a certain disco style to it, even the 80s aesthetics to a bit. iOS seriously needed a refresh badly. You can't stay with rounded corners forever in the next 100 years with gloss over it.

Snowboarders from the 80s? What are you talking about?! I see them all the time in VT and the snowboard designs have been modernized from Burton (look it up).

EDIT: I also want to add that Daft Punk's new album was a work of labor and research which is mentioned in their excellent interview in the latest Rolling Stone magazine. Look it up. They'll mention their process of working.

In-house graphic designers are usually on an NDA (non disclosure agreement) especially when dealing with Apple. The design team did most of the UI and icon designs UNDER Jony Ive. Ive just directed them and provided his feedback. They did the 'grunt' work mostly, if I'm to understand it correctly. Jony, however, does the industrial design for all of their products so that with the OSes involved, he can find ways to tie their design aesthetics to his hardware design.

Same thing with Craig who ran the OS X team. I don't think Tim would have the time to 'micro manage' going from one dept to another like a crazed individual with ADD such as the famous deceased CEO before him. So in that sense, when a CEO and his team sets a mandate on a certain road map, they stick with it upon agreeing with the vision. Once that vision is agreed upon, they can't afford to mess around by experimenting with styles, visuals, color schemes and such. That should be squared away already immediately without floundering around.

Or Marvel Comics, for instance. They can't afford an artist to flounder around on a book for a month experimenting on a style. The artist MUST have a style and sense of technical ability already upon hiring (and if they like the portfolio or by great reputation/contract offer) to get the issue out on time. Marvel cannot mess around on their schedule since time is money and money is time.
 
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Usually he exudes confidence...here he avoided the stage and looked like he didn't want to be there.

I disagree, Tim Cook is not Steve Jobs. He doesn't demand all the credit for new products. Being very confident & in control, he wisely ran a great event.

By delegating as he did it reflects his confidence in the team, which in turn allowed those viewing the event to get a sense of who the others are.
 
I disagree, Tim Cook is not Steve Jobs. He doesn't demand all the credit for new products. Being very confident & in control, he wisely ran a great event.

By delegating as he did it reflects his confidence in the team, which in turn allowed those viewing the event to get a sense of who the others are.

I was talking about Ive, sorry if I was confusing.
 
After watching the keynote, iOS 7 looks fantastic aside from a few icon choices, but then again, they are just icons. They don't influence how the OS works, they just sit there.

I like the multi-page folders. Get rid of the 12-app limit in the folders. The weather app does look like the Yahoo app (but Apple gets their weather info from Yahoo, so... ). I think it looks like iOS "grew up" to be more sophisticated without changing too much about how it works so Apple doesn't alienate the less tech savvy crowd.

I have wanted this control center so much. I hate digging in the settings to toggle Wi-fi and Bluetooth on and off. If the control center only had those two items, I would have been just as happy.

And there is a consistency across all of the stock apps. I wonder how the third-party apps will adapt to iOS7 as well as keep their iOS6 and older look...

Good on ya, Apple. I think that Apple did a fantastic job with a few shortcomings.
 
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