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Correct. But they lead with emojis. First impressions are important. In this instance, the first impression was "gmick" and "not related to work." Showing pro perspective after that is starting from a self-imposed disadvantage.

Well you're not wrong...
This is the article headline in the Guardian:

"Apple launches new MacBook Pro laptop with Touch Bar for instant emoji"
 
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Looks like you dont even have to use airplane mode in europe anymore. In the US alot of planes have wifi available and Bluetooth accessories are allowed.

https://www.easa.europa.eu/newsroom...evices-remain-and-connected-throughout-flight
To quote: "Passengers must at all times follow the airline crew instructions"

Reality is, airline instructions have always been that electronic devices must have wireless connectivity be "switched off or kept in airplane mode" for the entire duration of the flight. On every intra-european flight I have had since then (granted, I wouldn't exactly qualify as a frequent flier but I do fly every one or two months, on average, with probably half a dozen different carriers every year).
 
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I'm just looking at the Apple website and this OLED bar is so f'n stupid. In the Photos App you select the picture you want from thumbnails in the bar. But the same thumbnails are on the screen. So to use this p.o.s. you have to stop looking at the screen, find the thumbnail on the bar, then look back at the screen. It's so pointless!!! The mouse or trackpad did this simply, effectively, efficient and at a fraction of the cost - it's classic Apple, just adding expensive shiny pretty junk for the sake of it. Next Macbook Pro is going to have laser machined cup holders with drink detector pad and OLED Retina Validation OLED - "COFFEE'
All the old inputs are all still there. The images on the bar are just a bonus - you don't need to look down because as you are swiping the screen is changing. I am not sure it is great but your complaint is just not understanding how to use it.
 
Prices are a joke no matter how good they are.

Not sure why people need to upgrade their laptops anywhere. Mine will last me a good 5-7 years.
 
The new MacBook Pro seems awesome! Why is everyone hating on it, like the USB-C?

- Eye watering price, may no longer represent value for money for many,
- This is meant to be a pro machine. Having to carry round adapters and dongles is not convenient or efficient and adds yet further cost to the already extortionate price.
 
WHY HASNT ANYONE NOTICED THE MISSING GLOWING APPLE LOGO?!?!

I was a bit worried about this as the Retina Macbook dont have the logo as well...

Good observation, judging from the overwhelming majority of comments here about limited ram, high prices and gimmicks etc which I agree with. The lights have gone out for apple. Will buy Hp or Dell when I need to upgrade.
 
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Dell XPS
6th Generation Intel® Core™ i7-6700HQ Quad Core (6M Cache, up to 3.5 GHz)
32GB DDR4-2133MHz; up to 32GB (additional memory sold separately)
15.6" 4K Ultra HD (3840 x 2160) InfinityEdge touch
NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 960M with 2GB GDDR5
1TB PCIe Solid State Drive
$2549

MacPro
2.6GHz quad-core Intel Core i7 processor, Turbo Boost up to 3.5GHz (6th Gen)
16GB 2133MHz memory (cannot change on Apple Store)
1TB PCIe-based SSD
Radeon Pro 450 with 2GB memory
$2999


So less RAM, but better design quality. $400 more.

I am amazed these cost so much. I was planing on buying a Mac Pro and an iMac or mini. Now...just not sure what to do. I am so tied into some of Apples software this sort of thing makes me want to look into migrating to google so I am Apple/Microsoft independent.

This is the way that Apple used to be.
People here forget that the first generations of MacBook Air introduced by God Jobs cost $2000 or more for a well equipped machine, and that was with very little RAM and slow processors. This idea of "MacBook Air" as an affordable machine was an anomaly, and Apple likely realized that they could not re-introduce a revamped Air priced at double the current one, so are allowing it to float off into obsolescence. The middle class in America is dying, and Apple is clearly re-positioning itself towards the upper class with these Pro machines. Why should they chase volume with cheap products now?

While it cost a bunch, I for one am happy with the new machines and have no doubt that it will last me 6 years or more. I wished they weighed a little less, but I am not willing to drop down to one port and a slow processor to shave a pound.
 
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- Eye watering price, may no longer represent value for money for many,
- This is meant to be a pro machine. Having to carry round adapters and dongles is not convenient or efficient and adds yet further cost to the already extortionate price.

Please read the rest of my post. (i forgot the <irony> tag, sorry about that)
 
Nope Microsoft Surface Book (nearest competitor) has 16 hour life.
You DO realize, of course, that is what MICROSOFT CLAIMED on an UNRELEASED PRODUCT, along with their CLAIM that it is "Three times faster than the top-of-the-line MacBook Pro".

tl;dr "Anybody can CLAIM anything on an UNRELEASED PRODUCT"
 
Because:

1. It is one less component Apple has to bother with to shoehorn into the machine

2. Not having to do #1 saves Apple money in labor, hardware, and engineering costs

3. Their philosophy of "simplicity" is (arguably) being taken to extremes

4. Form over function is a staple of Apple's internal design culture

*Bonus: Apple is not interested in making the best products anymore. They want the most profitable.

Apple can never get more simple than allowing us to put the charge connector in the vicinity of the charge port and it magnetizes in place and starts charging.

Plain stupid. Hopefully enough complaints will go out so they'll bring that back like the 4" screen.
 
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Windows 10 completely blows IMO, and every time I use it I want to throw my machine out the window after a few minutes.

The issue you have with Windows 10 is certainly between the keyboard and the chair. Windows 10 in not just the best Windows ... like, ever... but it's better than OS X now, more versatile, more compatible, more stable, more reliable... just objectively better. That was not the case. Now it is. Sucks to be an Apple Macintosh fan these days, truly.

4GB GPU not enough for me (and people thinking I should be enough with 4GB, sorry but no, I've a Pascal Titan X in my Unix desktop and its 12GB are even a bit limited for my projects). I'll skip this MBP until they support at least an 8GB VRAM GPU, which is a bare minimum for my visual simulations datasets. I'll keep my old MBA (not suitable for graphics either) until they add a really powerful GPU.

Wow. That's great, but you don't seem to understand the difference between a fully fledged desktop GPU and a mobile GPU and that with increased VRAM there's increased power draw. Putting 12GB VRAM in a laptop just means it's a stationary laptop, plugged in the wall.

Also your Titan X will cave to this rather modest Radeon Pro mobile GPU in double precision FP. Because a Titan X is a gaming GPU for people who don't know better. It's a gimped Quattro and gimped in all the bad ways if you're going to use it for professional work. Titan X doesn't even have EEC RAM. But it has 12GBs of very power hungry RAM that is not going into any laptop until @6nm process. Which may be never.
 
Audio Ports!?! F'n Hell Apple. Now I have to carry one set of lightning headphones for my iPhone7 and a separate pair of analog or usbC headphones just for my mac?! Such a fail! :mad:

This is the biggest reason why lightning headphones are a bust. NOT even apple is committed to lightning earpods!

Personally, I love my Bose wireless headphones, but think the omission of a lightning dock a HUGE fail in my opinion. It's like Apple want's to promote USB-C headphones. You are right, you will have to carry around two freaking headphones or another dongle. But to be honest, you better have a bunch of dongles for the next couple of years if you buy a new macbook pro.

But the whole audio port product misalignment is WHY I HATE Tim. This fool has no attention to detail. Do you know the real reason he doesn't present products? Because he doesn't even bother to know about them. He is too busy promoting some social cause.

Cool laptop though, but you are right, audio is a fail!
 
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I'm just saying it's a bit fishy that two people specifically slammed the Touch Bar as an "emoji bar."

In other words, I'm saying something smells fishy.
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I'm going to guess that you're not one of the kids who drove onto the lovely campus at Stanford today in his/her $140,000 Audi and won't be doing his/her studying this evening at their own million dollar condo.

Once upon a time the USA was not another third world country occupied by the Pentagon.

Would be nice to be one of those kids with the $140K Audi and multimillion dollar condo. Can you buy that stuff for me? Thanks in advance.

- Eye watering price, may no longer represent value for money for many,
- This is meant to be a pro machine. Having to carry round adapters and dongles is not convenient or efficient and adds yet further cost to the already extortionate price.

Apple has never been about value for money. If that was the case, they had clearly lost their way.
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What a wasted opportunity. For a device aimed at creative professionals it still has a 16GB RAM limit. Dell, Lenovo and HP all manage 32GB in their lightweight models and 64GB in the larger models. Skylake supports 64GB, why don't Apple have this as an option?

And if that keyboard has the same feel as the one on the MacBook, then it's a definite 'no'.
anybody "tried" adding 2 32 GB sticks yet?
Just order mine.

What are best solutions for a monitor. The 27" on Apple.com is $1,299. I guess my old Apple 27" with Display Port will work, but would like one that charges my laptop to not have to use the supplied charger.
The LG one is $600
 
So does Tim & Co. realize that the professionals/designers/photographers built Apple by utilizing their products and spreading the word, and when you take all this away from us, we shift to the competition, and considering Android pairs with Windows better, eventually everyone you forgot about has switched not only operating systems but also phones, and have told people to switch OS and phones, and on and on and on. I mean, lol, what? Don't you want people designing for iOS on your products and not the comp?

exactly! I may well be telling people to get the Microsoft Surface Studio now. I never thought I'd say that in a million years, but there you go!
 
NOBODY is using Thunderbolt 3! I haven't seen it ANYWHERE! Having 4 of these useless things on the device doesn't help anything. RIP magsafe.
That's funny; I was reading a website that listed all the NON-APPLE laptop computers with TB 3. It was a quite impressive list!

Ah, here it is:

http://www.ultrabookreview.com/10579-laptops-thunderbolt-3/

TB took awhile to catch on; but with TB3 and USB-C sharing a connector, it seems to be finally starting to live up to its promise.

And once Kaby Lake and later get going, it will soon be as common as bog-standard USB.

Then, maybe we can start seeing some non-asininely-priced TB peripherals, eh???
 
Which MacBook should I buy?

I need to finish an iOS app and sometimes it is really hard to manage it with my i5/4G/128G 11" 2012 Air... is an 13" 2015 Air 8/128G for ~ 900€ worth it? Other option is 2015 13" MacBook Pro 16G/256G for 1900€. I need at least 2* USB, 1 miniDP and charging. I am a student, it is my part-time job and these new prices are just insane...
I also need to work with MCUs so I simply need ports (I wouldn't mind USB-C, 3rd party branded USB-C to A adaptors are available for aproxiamately 10€)

OT: Our national bank is keeping exchange rates at 27 CZK / EUR since 2013 (!) instead of 23-25 where the exchange rate would be otherwise, so we "suffer" similarly to GB, but in our case it "supports companies focused on export"...
 
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