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Apple Unveils New 13-Inch and 15-Inch MacBook Pros With Retina 'Touch Bar'

Cheffy Dave said:
Time APPLE dumps INTEL!
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That's a joke, right?
Intel is by far the top of the heap (heh) for general purpose processors.
POWER isn't good performance per watt, and is only targeting very large servers.
SPARC is effectively done for.
ARM doesn't make a good general purpose processors. They are great for mobile, but that isn't what we are talking about for what I want to use a computer for (compiling, VMs, very large documents, and graphics manipulation)
 
Interesting way to "force" the iPad as computer replacement on people - by making the actual computers insanely expensive... I think I'll try to manage stuff on my iPad Air 2, and if a Mac is necessary, my late 2008 MacBook hopefully will survive a few years extra.

And the "digital hub" concept (2002 or so: the iBook, 2011 or so: Mobile Me) is in 2016 a huge dongle...
 

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yeah, the nerve of people to want a $3k+ PROfessional laptop to be able to handle PROfessional workloads.
 
gnipgnop said:
For what?
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For photography, graphics & video editing, you know, PROS. The people that use these machines to make money. The people that have used the Mac for decades because Apple made machines that worked well in these areas. Now, we've STILL got 16GB soldered RAM. I've had 16GB on my 2011 MBP since it was available. Granted, that's not the only spec that matters, but c'mon Apple, give users the option to upgrade to 32GB. My 5k iMac has 24GB and I'm still taxing it at time. I don't care about a gimmicky touch bar at the top. Pro users use keystroke shortcuts to save time.

And please, just stop it with this "thinner, lighter" crap. Show me one professional that would rather have 3mm thinner as opposed to more power and the ability to upgrade. WE-DONT-CARE. We want our machines to work well and work fast.

I just don't get what the current business philosophy is. I understand that Apple is the richest, most profitable company on the planet, and that is due to the iPhone. But are they so focused on bean counting that they can't afford to have slightly less margins on the Mac line?
 
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MacsRuleOthersDrool said:
They were thinking that they were going to release a laptop with an ASTOUNDING amount of I/O bandwidth. And they just, er, did!

FOUR 40 Gbps, IDENTICAL, MULTIFUNTION I/O PORTS!!!

Do you grasp the significance of that?
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And what are you gonna do with 40 Gbps? On a notebook??? 40 Gbps is awesome on a server with SSD storage, but on a notebook there is no usecase for 40 Gbps throughput. (
 
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gnipgnop said:
So is the performance increase. Plus you get the touch bar, touch ID, larger track pad, and Apple's new custom secure enclave chip.
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Right, but the prices used to remain relatively stable and you'd get improvements with each cycle. I'm not saying you don't get anything else with this update, I am saying that the much higher than average price increase has changed the equation for some people.
 
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I have an early 2011 13" pro with 2.3 GHz i5 and 4 GB 1333 MHz DDR3. My wife has dropped hers a few times so I've been really wanting to upgrade. Would I even notice speed a difference with the new lower end 13" pro?
 
v0lume4 said:
Arguably, you should actually buy this iteration as soon as you can. The number of ports is only going to decrease from here on out! Get them while you still can!
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Not willing to jump on this iteration of the MBP until USB-C has higher adoption rate across all devices. Once it's on more phones (iphone 8?), pro audio interfaces (apogee?), external storage devices, etc, than I'll consider upgrading from my 2011 17" MBP.

I'm not a hater. The IO bandwidth (40 Gbs) is amazing and eventually USB-C will be as ubiquitous as USB-A, but I'm not willing to suffer this dongle adapter crazy transition period just yet.
 
Well I was looking forward to this event, with hopes to see at least an introduction to a new iMac.

I think this season apple is on the trend to just take away abilities from their devices to work properly and comfortably.
First was the iPhone7 with courageous move to remove the audio jack, now turn for MBP that already cost a fortune and needs additional $300+ for the All-Dongle set.

What about security??? Magsafe most useful feature of MBP removed and replaced with USB-C (non-magnetic-non-secure) dongle? Want to drop your 2K laptop by accident pulling the power cable down - go ahead. I am not buying this. All sacrificed good stuff is not worth of a new "TouchBar" feature. Doesn't make sense.

I am sorry but from todays event I saw the most "emasculated" MacbookPro ever.

I can only ask when they are going to find "courage" to remove apple logo from all of their devices?
I am very disappointed with this new announcement!
 
Please tell me I'm wrong but it looks like even a maxed out 13" MBP doesn't meet the minimum requirements for Civilization VI (dual core i5 not quad, Iris graphics not Iris Pro). Is that right? If so, what a joke
 
EJS75 said:
I have an early 2011 13" pro with 2.3 GHz i5 and 4 GB 1333 MHz DDR3. My wife has dropped hers a few times so I've been really wanting to upgrade. Would I even notice speed a difference with the new lower end 13" pro?
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Yes, you will notice a hole the size of $2000 in your bank, which is enough for a nice getaway trip. :cool:

But in seriousness, you'd have to provide information on what you do. For most stuff, not likely much difference in performance but the retina display would be a big upgrade.
 
delany said:
Why are they so expensive? They are a good $400-500 more than any previous MacBook pro generation. With nothing but disappointment in the specs. No 32GB, no MagSafe, irritating ports that require adaptors, not great graphics card, pretty old processor. Even being a fan of MacOS, for the first time in 30 years I'm feeling I don't want to buy a Mac. (Does anyone care about the Touchbar?)
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Check out how it works, changes based on apps
 
James Bondo said:
No tactile feedback for the bar. I don't need to look at my keyboard for physcial keys.
USB-C might be the future, but I haven't seen a single USB-C to Serial adapter (use them weekly), can't use my thunderbolt Ethernet adapters, and I don't see any wireless mice that I want using USB-C that end up nearly flush with my laptop.

Also, m.2 supports either 2 lane for 4 lane NVME. Samsung has a 2TB m.2 NVME SSD that lists for $1299, but more importantly: I'd be able to buy a 1TB version now, and bump it in 2 years (just like I did for my current Pro Retina)
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http://www.cablestogo.com/product/29470/usb-2.0-usb-c-to-db9-serial-rs232-adapter-cable

One place USB-C wins is that its a standard connector so you dont have to go with the apple adapters. There are a bunch available already.

There are plenty of bluetooth mice you could use without needing any type of adapter.

I think OWC is the only company that makes SSD's compatible with the outgoing rMBP(2015) since it doesnt uses a standard connector but they only offer 1TB drives for now. It also appears whatever apple is using in the new macbook pros is faster than 4lane NVME. The 950 offered by Samsung tops out around 2GB/s while the new ones apple is shipping are quoted at 3GB/s. I dont think anyone was expecting apple to go back to a standard connector once they started using there own.

Either way, maybe the 2015 rMBP is better for you since it still has the older thunderbolt and USB-A
 
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jsalda said:
For photography, graphics & video editing, you know, PROS.
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Here's what I have running concurrently on a daily basis on a 2012 MBP with 8GB RAM:

Chrome
Font server software
Safari
Adobe InDesign
Adobe Photoshop
Adobe Illustrator
Adobe Bridge
Acrobat
MS Word

You know what makes it slow sometimes? The mechanical HDD. It's not the RAM. And it also has a cave man level GPU compared to the Polaris in the 2016 MBP.
 
I think that this new Touch Bar is quite useless. Ok, I can imagine that you can somehow learn how to use it properly, but as consider myself as a pro and nothing is faster than using keyboard shortcuts IMHO.

My current rMBP 15" 2015 is a perfect laptop. Nice screen, great keyboard and touchpad, enough power for everything I need. I don't think that laptop needs some gimmick features like this Touch Bar or a touch screen. I edit photos on my laptop, I don't want fingerprints on my screen. Apple still thinks that it is necessary to add "something new" every year. No, just make it better (faster / more storage / better battery life / better screen / better materials) for the same price.

After four years of retina screens, is it really that impossible to make entry level $999 laptop with better screen?

The problems is that back in the day, the Apple was used to lower the price. First gen Macbook Air was quite expensive, but after few years it became more affordable. But now – Apple is just adding more expensive products and keeping the old ones at the same price, so they look cheaper compared to the newer ones.
 
asiga said:
4GB GPU not enough for me (and people thinking I should be enough with 4GB, sorry but no, I've a Pascal Titan X in my Unix desktop and its 12GB are even a bit limited for my projects). I'll skip this MBP until they support at least an 8GB VRAM GPU, which is a bare minimum for my visual simulations datasets. I'll keep my old MBA (not suitable for graphics either) until they add a really powerful GPU.
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Fortunately, with TB 3, you SHOULD be able to have whatever you want as far as a Video Card goes. THAT's the genius of what Apple has done here.
 
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