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They've gone off the deep end.
I honestly don't know if they understand what pro customers want.
It's certainly not a freaking Emoji bar.

16Gb ram on top model means designed obsolescence. I can remember Johnny Ive going on and on about the design of the Magsafe port how genius, elegant, thoughtful, useful, ESSENTIAL it was lol. The rMBP is on the starvation diet of a super model, lets throw the magsafe in the trash & all the other ports (the bottom model only has 1 usb when on charge!) With the introduction of those awful looking plastic LG displays I can't help but think of John Scully.
 
Have like 5000$ worth of Audio-Interfaces with Firewire ONLY? Buy a Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt 2 Adapter, connect that to your Thunderbolt -> FireWire 800 Adapter, connect that to the Interfaces and pray to Steve that it will actually work...
This sounds like the days of daisy chaining SCSI devices.
 
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I've just ordered the air-replacing 13 inch. I wonder if I did the right thing. I don't think I'll need the touch bar.
 
http://www.cablestogo.com/product/29470/usb-2.0-usb-c-to-db9-serial-rs232-adapter-cable

One place USB-C wins is that its a standard connector so you dont have to go with the apple adapters. There are a bunch available already.

There are plenty of bluetooth mice you could use without needing any type of adapter.

I think OWC is the only company that makes SSD's compatible with the outgoing rMBP(2015) since it doesnt uses a standard connector but they only offer 1TB drives for now. It also appears whatever apple is using in the new macbook pros is faster than 4lane NVME. The 950 offered by Samsung tops out around 2GB/s while the new ones apple is shipping are quoted at 3GB/s. I dont think anyone was expecting apple to go back to a standard connector once they started using there own.

Either way, maybe the 2015 rMBP is better for you since it still has the older thunderbolt and USB-A
That USB to Serial doesn't say "FTDI" - won't buy it.
I would much rather have a bluetooth mouse. But I've never found one that I liked (must have forward and back thumb buttons)

And yes, I'm just talking about my personal usage of what I consider to be the best laptop ever. I just think Apple went way to far eschewing the old, useful bits for new, currently less useful bits, in a tradeoff I don't appreciate - just making it a bit thinner.
 
What is the issue? For the faint of heart, Apple is still making the classic 15" MBP available for purchase. Scroll to the bottom and there it is. Grab it while its still there. Geesh
 
Fortunately, with TB 3, you SHOULD be able to have whatever you want as far as a Video Card goes. THAT's the genius of what Apple has done here.
GENIUS! Just need to carry around yet another external component to handle a PRO workload.
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What is the issue? For the faint of heart, Apple is still making the classic 15" MBP available for purchase. Scroll to the bottom and there it is. Grab it while its still there. Geesh
The issue is that some of us have been waiting YEARS for MBPs to catch up with the hardware available on Windows laptops.
 
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16GB RAM ? and Apple advertises it as a powerful workstation (w/ 2x5k monitors and raids). Actually it is a powerful paging to disk machine. OS knocks down 4GB, 12GB are left. Power up a VM or 2 and a browser with several pages open and you've got a slow machine that pages to disk (time to do some stretching while we wait). Interesting design decision to keep the memory at 16GB and invest in other bells and whistles. When Apple experience the 'OOPS' moment and then the 'AHA' moment, we might see more useful RAM figures like 32GB or more.
 
That USB to Serial doesn't say "FTDI" - won't buy it.
I would much rather have a bluetooth mouse. But I've never found one that I liked (must have forward and back thumb buttons)

And yes, I'm just talking about my personal usage of what I consider to be the best laptop ever. I just think Apple went way to far eschewing the old, useful bits for new, currently less useful bits, in a tradeoff I don't appreciate - just making it a bit thinner.

Just use a usb-c to usb-a adapter then hoook up your serial adapter will look something like this
 

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I've already made the switch and although windows has its annoying quirks, I find it much more convenient than a mac most of the time.
I use both every single day, and can say with no equivocation or hesitation that you are either a liar or a shill. Or both.
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I agree these are great... but losing the SD card reader just doesn't work for me.
Really? You're REALLY going to base your ENTIRE decision on an SD Card Reader/Writer you can replace for SEVEN DOLLARS on Amazon???
 
Wow. That's great, but you don't seem to understand the difference between a fully fledged desktop GPU and a mobile GPU and that with increased VRAM there's increased power draw. Putting 12GB VRAM in a laptop just means it's a stationary laptop, plugged in the wall.

Also your Titan X will cave to this rather modest Radeon Pro mobile GPU in double precision FP. Because a Titan X is a gaming GPU for people who don't know better. It's a gimped Quattro and gimped in all the bad ways if you're going to use it for professional work. Titan X doesn't even have EEC RAM. But it has 12GBs of very power hungry RAM that is not going into any laptop until @6nm process. Which may be never.
I fully understand the difference between desktop and laptop. But my VRAM-hungry satellite imagery won't understand it. And no, VRAM is not what makes a GPU consume power. Besides, I can of course use texture swapping between RAM and VRAM, but that's only possible when you have RAM, and this new MBP is limited to 16GB RAM!!!

Regarding double precision FP and EEC GPU memory, yes I use professional software (actually research software), and no, I don't need them as much as VRAM. However, if your point is the new MBP should have a Pascal Quadro, then yes, I fully agree with you.

I love the Mac, but after today's event I find the Retina MacBook a far better option: given the new MBP is limited to 16GB RAM and to a light GPU, I find it far more appealing to buy instead a MacBook, which has also important performance limits but with the advantage of having no fans, being much lighter, and being more beautiful. Sacrificing these MacBook huge points requires a powerful MBP: no 16GB limit, no light GPU. Otherwise, it's not reasonable to get fans and a larger laptop IMHO.
 
did you get the 16gB ? Congrats anyway. Yeah I think that's the best of the bunch and best value.

Yeah.. I wish I lived in the US though. I'm in Turkey and we get Europe prices even though we're not in the EU. I'll do basic computing to be honest. My company already gave me a super powerful Dell laptop.
 
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I use both every single day, and can say with no equivocation or hesitation that you are either a liar or a shill. Or both.
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Really? You're REALLY going to base your ENTIRE decision on an SD Card Reader/Writer you can replace for SEVEN DOLLARS on Amazon???
It's not about the money. It's about the hassle of a) carrying the adapter with u and b) connecting that thing every time you need it ...
 
Yeah.. I wish I lived in the US though. I'm in Turkey and we get Europe prices even though we're not in the EU. I'll do basic computing to be honest. My company already gave me a super powerful Dell laptop.

Know the feeling Australian prices are super high too. The retina is so much nicer than normal displays, you'll love it.
 
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Was really hoping for a new 13 air with the same ports and better screen (and smaller bezel, dare I say an XPS 13 competitor). Instead they say hey, take this 13 mbp with no touch bar which has 2 tb3 ports and starts at 1499.

I guess it will have to be a regular macbook or old 13 air, oh wait the macbook only has 1 port :rolleyes:
 
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