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This is a great idea. I don't want my kids to play age inappropriate games and I don't want to have to manage content restrictions on Microsoft's platform and Apple Screen Time. Until screen time has better content restrictions that reach into individual apps (i.e. xCloud, Netflix, Amazon Prime) this will have to do. Maybe Microsoft will eventually try to provide insight/solutions into how to implement their cloud streaming app with Apple's screen time instead of complaining about it.
Your poor children. They may never experience the excitement of computer games. Are they going to play Apple Arcade till college because you have to manage them via Apple Screen Time? I can only imagine how they will hate Apple after this experience.
 
But why? It’s streaming content. Netflix, hbo, etc don’t have to submit each individual show and movie.

Yo Apple is out of their goddamn mind.
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The apple loyalism here is scary.
Every time this conversation comes up and I see Apple do something just a little more screwed up, it baffles me the amount of hula hoops people jump through to defend them.
 
Greedy Apple is trying to hurt consumers. It's a worse experience to be forced to open up an app for every individual game that a person wants to stream. The argument that this helps apple review apps and keep the app store safe does not fly because if that were really true, apple would force netflix and hulu to have separate apps for each movie.
 
What's preventing Microsoft to build the streaming technology into its Remote Desktop app?

In turn an RDP user can enter the xCloud's RDP host name and play everything from the app.
 
Looking forward to installing “Fortnite for GeForce Now” by nVidia
Just buy a Nintendo Switch and you don't even need to install fortnite. It's pre-installed ready to go.

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The same way that driving a motorcycle and driving a car are very different.
Both are driving a morotvehicle to get yourself from place to place. Similar
The same way that going to a theater and watching pay-per-view at home are very different.
Both are paying to see a movie or concert on screen one time. Similar
The same way that wearing a baseball hat an wearing a veil are very different.
Both cover your head and keep the sun off your face. Similar
The same way that running and walking are very different.
Both are forms of exercise that help you lose weight. Similar
The same way eating and drinking are very different.
Both consist of getting nitruents into your stomach and the rest of your body to keep you alive and healthy. Similar
The same way that reading and listening are very different.
Reading the book or listening to the audio book. At the end you know all about the book all the same. Similar
Streaming video is fundamentally very different than streaming games.
Both are using your internet to experience visual content on hardware that potentially is not good enough to experience the content with natively. Similar
 
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What's preventing Microsoft to build the streaming technology into its Remote Desktop app?

In turn an RDP user can enter the xCloud's RDP host name and play everything from the app.

I am pretty sure that if Microsoft attempts that, Apple will revoke RDP's notarization.
 
"Streaming games are permitted so long as they adhere to all guidelines -- for example, each game update must be submitted for review, developers must provide appropriate metadata for search, games must use in-app purchase to unlock features or functionality, etc. Of course, there is always the open Internet and web browser apps to reach all users outside of the App Store.

Each streaming game must be submitted to the App Store as an individual app so that it has an App Store product page, appears in charts and search, has user ratings and review, can be managed with Screen Time and other parental control apps, appears on the user's device, etc."


Translation: we want f*king 30% on everything.
 
This is a great idea. I don't want my kids to play age inappropriate games and I don't want to have to manage content restrictions on Microsoft's platform and Apple Screen Time. Until screen time has better content restrictions that reach into individual apps (i.e. xCloud, Netflix, Amazon Prime) this will have to do. Maybe Microsoft will eventually try to provide insight/solutions into how to implement their cloud streaming app with Apple's screen time instead of complaining about it.

But this also lets you be more granular than other platforms. Maybe I don't like that the CEO of a company said or did something, and so I don't want my kids playing their games. So I want to restrict their fairly harmless shooter but I am OK with my kid playing something more violent. Maybe I don't consider nudity the same as the company hosting. Maybe I am ok with
Both are driving a morotvehicle to get yourself from place to place. Similar

Both are paying to see a movie or concert on screen one time. Similar

Both cover your head and keep the sun off your face. Similar

Both are forms of exercise that help you lose weight. Similar

Both consist of getting nitruents into your stomach and the rest of your body to keep you alive and healthy. Similar

Reading the book or listening to the audio book. At the end you know all about the book all the same. Similar

Both are using your internet to experience visual content on hardware that potentially is not good enough to experience the content with natively. Similar

And yet all completely different both in terms of companies and the law.
 
Greedy Apple is trying to hurt consumers. It's a worse experience to be forced to open up an app for every individual game that a person wants to stream.

Some of us prefer to keep crap out of sight. Netflix style movies are bad enough. Keep that away from games.
 
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I actually think this is a better solution for the users.
In this way, you first have a catalogue app with all the games. But it’s not like you are playing 100 different games at the same time. Maybe a handful. They are then added to your Home Screen as any other app on your iPhone.
I mean, it’s not like you go into the App Store to launch the apps and games you’ve already installed, right? No, it’s a lot more convenient to launch it directly from the Home Screen.

So, for what it’s worth, I don’t think Microsoft can argue this is a worse experience for the user in the long run. It is however worse for Microsoft as they have to manage hundreds of apps. I’m sure they could find a lot automation around it and each app would literally just be different meta data with a unique name, icon and a string from which game to launch. But still.
 
This doesn't really make sense, and it sounds like they want to appear like they're working with companies when they really aren't. With this rule, Microsoft basically has to make a version of their XCloud app that can only stream one game, and then they'll have to duplicate 100+ times for every other game. That's dumb. Can you imagine if Netflix had to create a different app for every show or movie?
I thought it wa just about submission to the app store. TBQH this solves the problem.
 
This is total BS, how is game streaming any different than Netflix? Does Apple require Netflix to submit each movie/show separately, of course not.

Apple seems adamant in not wanting anyone to play games on their devices that are not in the App store. Which is fine, when you buy Apple, you know you will never get a good gaming experience anyway so there's nothing new there. I use Apple for all my non gaming needs, and use a proper PC/consoles for gaming. It's a shame there is no alternative to the Nintendo Switch for portable gaming though.


Netflix shows and movies aren't executable/interactive code that needs to be reviewed. A whole movie is static and once reviewed, can’t be changed. Games, especially multiplayer games present emergent content to a participant. It’s quite plain, Apple has a larger market of control-seeking consumers, people wanting to use things like xCloud don’t rate highly (yet).
 
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I’m usually an Apple Sheep, and while this is better, it is definitely not the best way to do it. From what it sounds like, they want xCloud & Stadia to be similar to Apple Arcade?
 
I actually think this is a better solution for the users.
In this way, you first have a catalogue app with all the games. But it’s not like you are playing 100 different games at the same time. Maybe a handful. They are then added to your Home Screen as any other app on your iPhone.
I mean, it’s not like you go into the App Store to launch the apps and games you’ve already installed, right? No, it’s a lot more convenient to launch it directly from the Home Screen.

So, for what it’s worth, I don’t think Microsoft can argue this is a worse experience for the user in the long run. It is however worse for Microsoft as they have to manage hundreds of apps. I’m sure they could find a lot automation around it and each app would literally just be different meta data with a unique name, icon and a string from which game to launch. But still.
Each xCloud game would also need to be reviewed by Apple, just like any other app in the store.

It’s like a movie Toy Story 4 gets a separate app and needs to be reviewed by Apple before being able to stream.
 
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From a users point of view, I’m accustomed to how it works with streaming services like Netflix. You login and get to choose from everything the streaming service has to offer. But from the perspective of a playground where both big players and small players coexist. I actually like this approach. Searching for games doesn’t move into streaming apps, where I login to xcloud and search for games there and only there. When the games are separate apps (even though they may be just launchers for a streaming game). If I search for an xcloud game, I will get search suggestions for the entire app store. I will see similar games from other streaming services or non-streaming apps. This will increase the likleyhood of me installing games outside of xcloud as well.

I’m enjoying the thought that games may become booth local and streaming apps at the same time. Your not at home or with limited bandwith, you play the version of the game on the device. You have limited hardware on your device, are connected to a high speed internet connection and you can choose to play the same game from a streaming service instead. It will all be transparent. Your savegames and achivements will be the same. Apples new guidlines actually encourages this development. This could even be an infrastructure that apple could provide for it‘s developers (but not exclusively). That players can run the same game from the device or from icloud depending on current hardware and bandwidth.

I could actually see a Steam Club subscription where Steam game developers can opt to publish their game for iOS and Android to be played locally, but with the option to play the pc-version of the game streamed to the device as well depending on bandwidth.
 
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Wow, you know it’s bad when Microsoft - of all companies - is arguing for a better user experience than Apple.
 
If Amazon wasn't the giant that it is and movie streaming was just starting in 2020, I believe Apple would pull a similar move with video streaming.

Amazon though is a juggernaut, so much so that Apple even let them circumvent the app store payment policy with a special deal.
the point is Apple wants AppleTV+ on FireStick, FireTV and Android, AndroidTV. And Apple doesn‘t want to pay 30%.
 
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