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Apple Updates App Store Review Guidelines to Allow Streaming Game Services That Submit Each Game to the App Store [Updated]

Why would you spend billions of dollars to build a platform to then allow a Trojan horse platform to just cut you out of it?

That just isn’t happening. If developers don’t like it build your own platform and do what you want.

furthermor, apple is wholesome brand. To remain that way they have to have oversight over what apps are running on their devices. if some company decides to stream a game called “mutant pornagraphic zombies” apple don’t want anyone playing that on their devices at all.

so if you let companies create platforms on your platforms with zero oversight you will never be able to keep that wholesome image.

and if they only let some companies do it then a whole load of devs will start moaning that they should all be able to do it.

and you all know that any headline of this zombie game will have iPhone splashed everywhere.Look at the tik tok suicide thing even though it was on Facebook etc before if got there.

There are so many reasons beyond just money why Apple want control of what apps run on their flagship device
 
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threesixty360 said:
Why would you spend billions of dollars to build a platform to then allow a Trojan horse platform to just cut you out of it?

That just isn’t happening. If developers don’t like it build your own platform and do what you want.

furthermor, apple is wholesome brand. To remain that way they have to have oversight over what apps are running on their devices. if some company decides to stream a game called “mutant pornagraphic zombies” apple don’t want anyone playing that on their devices at all.

so if you let companies create platforms on your platforms with zero oversight you will never be able to keep that wholesome image.

and if they only let some companies do it then a whole load of devs will start moaning that they should all be able to do it.

and you all know that any headline of this zombie game will have iPhone splashed everywhere.Look at the tik tok suicide thing even though it was on Facebook etc before if got there.

There are so many reasons beyond just money why Apple want control of what apps run on their flagship device
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Why would you spend billions on a platform? Hmm, maybe to sell the platform? I've bought close to 10 iPhones over the years.... maybe if what you are saying is correct, Apple didn't want to sell phones, and I shouldn't have bought them?
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jinnj said:
xCloud has code it downloads and runs locally on the device. It's one of the reasons why MS was freaking out about UE4 dev certificate for Mac OS/iOS.
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Wrong

xCloud has a CLIENT. Just like Netflix, the games don't download.
 
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Stuey3D said:
Now I genuinely thought Apple did a bit more of a deep inspection when reviewing an app, I mean what is to stop some shady developer sticking viruses in their app, ok iOS sandboxing limits their effectiveness but they could still be added for some reason.

Yet you don’t seem to hear much about apps being removed from the Apple App Store for malware like you do the Google Play store, I just always assumed it was because Apple did a bit more of an inspection of the apps first. It could just be that Apple are better at hiding it maybe?
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While I don’t have code in my apps to be able to deduce how long app reviewers (or any users, for that matter) actually spend in the app, I’ve read that in most cases they spend a few minutes at most using the app.

You’re right, though, it’s actually pretty easy to sneak things past app review. Just look at what Epic Games did with Fortnite to add its direct payment option — Apple should honestly be grateful that that’s the worst instance of remotely activated unreviewed code we’ve heard of, as the same path could be taken to do far worse.
 
threesixty360 said:
Why would you spend billions of dollars to build a platform to then allow a Trojan horse platform to just cut you out of it?
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But Apple wouldn't be cut out, they'd get a cut of subscriptions and IAPs just like with Netflix and Prime Video.

furthermor, apple is wholesome brand. To remain that way they have to have oversight over what apps are running on their devices. if some company decides to stream a game called “mutant pornagraphic zombies” apple don’t want anyone playing that on their devices at all.
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You can rent/buy and watch many NC-17 movies from Amazon Prime Video on your iOS device. Not very wholesome.
 
Maetzle said:
What are you on about? And have you seen Macs? They are not cheap in the slightest.
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But if gaming is that important then get a console. Even a $500 PC can get you want you need. xCloud and Stadia is different as they are also giving you games but remote hosting a gaming PC ala Geforce Now is more expensive in the long run.
 
This doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. The whole point of xCloud is to play XBOX games on other platforms. The games don’t run on iOS and they won’t be ported over. So there is nothing for Apple to review. I understand what they are trying to do, but I don’t think this solves it.

This change would allow a company to essentially bundle a bunch of games together that already work on iOS as standalone games and offer a discounted rate or a single app to launch them from.

This won’t change the xCloud situation.
 
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Why does Microsoft not just make the XCloud service web based? Then Apple can't do anything about it. You connect directly to their server to play anyways.
 
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cmChimera said:
Because messaging threads aren't comparable to a video game. Look, it's fine if this policy bothers you, but these comparisons are intellectually dishonest.
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Please elaborate.

Your initial comment was that Apple has do do x,y and z to prevent a,b and c. You've been given multiple examples of other areas where they don't need to do this. How does the fact that "it's a video game" make any difference in the context of preventing the specific 'abusive behavior' you outlined?
 
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0092762 said:
Amazon Prime Video has movies/shows that are included with prime and others you can pay for in the app. How is game streaming different?
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Because it is. They want the games to show up in search, ranking, reviews etc..read
 
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But Apple wouldn't be cut out, they'd get a cut of subscriptions and IAPs just like with Netflix and Prime Video.


You can rent/buy and watch many NC-17 movies from Amazon Prime Video on your iOS device. Not very wholesome
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That’s how it starts. But in doing that your letting MS or whoever deliver games to customers, something you also sell on the App Store. It would be like iTunes movie store selling a Special film that lets you watch loads of films without buying them from the store. It’s kind of nuts. It’s a Trojan horse also because it programs people to bypass your store. You end up not needing the App Store.

Everyone is aware that a video or a song is separate from the platform because videos and songs are played everywhere. Apps and games however are very specific to platforms and have a deeper association. Mario is a Nintendo product. The game sells Nintendo as a brand. Same with gran turismo on PlayStation. When there is that much association it will taint your brand.

that won’t happen with films and songs so much.
 
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threesixty360 said:
That’s how it starts. But in doing that your letting MS or whoever deliver games to customers, something you also sell on the App Store.
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Regardless of whether it's in the App Store, IAP in the MS game streaming app, or MS game streaming subscription, Apple still gets the same cut, so why should they care?

Apple sells the same shows and movies on the iTunes store that you can stream via subscription from Netflix and/or buy from Amazon Prime Video, and they don't care since they get a cut either way.
 
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Maybe it’s just all the time I have spent playing games that helps me, but I am shocked at most of the comments about the game steaming changes.
From how I take the change to mean: if you are a company and want to offer a game streaming service - you basically have to offer the consumer two options. Ether way the game has to have a store page - this means that the consumer (1) can ether just buy the game and play it or (2) subscribe to the streaming service and stream the game with no download.
I see this as a win for the consumer - Microsoft wants to add Halo to their streaming service - guess what if you don’t have a subscription you can just buy it instead and play it.
 
dguisinger said:
Why would you spend billions on a platform? Hmm, maybe to sell the platform? I've bought close to 10 iPhones over the years.... maybe if what you are saying is correct, Apple didn't want to sell phones, and I shouldn't have bought them?
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you don’t get it. You will lose control of your platform if you allow Trojan horse type
Platforms to ride on top of yours.
That’s what Flash was back in the day.
and Apple spent millions trying to fix issues that were adobe problems. Apple has to explain to its customers why it’s Mac’s performing badly and dragging down the Mac’s reputation. Simply because adobe couldn’t be bothered to fix Flash.

you have to think about the future not the present.
 
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