Apple Updates Boot Camp With Windows 10 Support

[Steve121178]

guys saying that apple is not supporting 2011 machines because it was a planned obsolescence move is overthinking.
Apple simply has limited resources, believe it or not, and they'd rather expound the extra energy required to support the older machines to better support the later machines.
simple as that. sure, they can hire more people, but Id rather hire more engineers to make the next OS better. who wouldnt?

Apple knows businesses with old Macs who must run Windows will see they are no longer officially supported and will be 'forced' to upgrade, or the users of older Macs will run to their boss and say they need a new Mac. It's just Apple doing what Apple do very well.

 

[eswanzey]

Same thing is happening to me. Also downloaded the update to a USB stick as per the instructions here

https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT204923

And it failed as well

Failed here too, via Apple Software Update or direct download to USB. Same error, what a PITA.

 

[SteveW928]

Because I liked bootcamp in the way that it's a native solution.
It is also _free_ and completely discrete of os x.

Good points... there are plus / minus aspects to each... but bootcamp is clearly more of a hassle. I have both Bootcamp and Parallels and I only go to Bootcamp when absolutely necessary, as it's WAY more of a hassle to stop everything I'm doing in OS X, reboot, and during that time, give OS X up (including, maybe background things the machine is doing).

Cheaper, for sure! Better gaming performance, absolutely! Less hassle, no way.

 

[teknikal90]

That doesn't say anything about how a VM is a hassle. But thanks, I had a feeling you didn't have a real answer to my question.

hahah oh man i love people on internet forums with an attitude... you go you
it is a 'hassle' in that now I have to go and buy another piece of software before i can install this piece of software.. also, i am used to directly booting into windows, as opposed to having to boot into osx to then boot into windows, and having less resources allocated to that windows OS.
Those, in my mind, are 'hassles'.

 

[bboyredcel]

if only mid 2015 macbook pro's came with enough storage to support a half way decent windows partition...

 

[Nunyabinez]

Would you happen to know how I can update my Windows 10 Boot Camp on my now-officially-unsupported mid-2011 27" iMac?

You are making the same error as almost everyone here. You want Windows 10 drivers for your hardware written by Apple. Apple has not written drivers for your hardware specifically for Windows 10. Period.

However, many of the drivers that Apple wrote for your hardware for Windows 7 are compatible with Windows 10.

So you can get Windows 10 to work quite well with Windows 7 Boot Camp drivers, but putting Windows 10 Boot Camp Drivers on your unsupported Mac means you have drivers that were written for different hardware than what you have.

I would rather have drivers that belong to my hardware for earlier versions of an OS, than drivers that were written for different hardware for the current OS.

That's a long way to say, in OS X create a thumb drive using the Boot Camp Assistant and install that in Windows 10. That's as close as you are going to get and it usually works pretty well.

 

[smoledman]

Cool! I thought it would take Apple until October to do this. Nice to see them being proactive on this!

 

[Risco]

I wish they would make better trackpad drivers so pinch zoom would work. I really don't like trackpad++

 

[FoxMcCloud]

Windows should never be installed on a Mac. If you want windows use a Window laptop that is usually more powerful, fully upgradeable and cheaper.

The Mac is probably the best hardware to run Windows on. A much more premium experience. Apple just make better hardware.

 

[SteveW928]

Okay, well if Apple was doing the wrong thing they would be out of business by now. For them to start with only $150m in 1999 and now today with over $200B of available cash they are obviously pleasing more customers than you care to admit. The only people that feel these types of practices are idiotic and underhanded are techies and enthusiasts which represent and very small amount of the consumer buying audience.

As I said before, anyone that seriously needs to run Windows 10 on older 3 year old hardware are not gamers, therefore any Virtual Machine supporting Windows 10 would more than suffice. People here just want to argue just for the sake of, when there is a solution.

I remember back when Apple had not yet updated OS X to work with the latest version of Parallels. This place went into an outrage with people saying they don't use Bootcamp and never would. All of sudden the tables are turned today and the ones arguing are conveniently ignoring the VM's because it's an easy solution and it would nullify their reason to argue.

(OK, where is that 'bangs head against wall' smiley?)

How, exactly, do you think they grew from that $150M (where did you get that from? They had over $1B, if I remember correctly... you're not running off that myth about M$ saving them with a piddly $150M 'investment,' right?) to what they are today?

Apple could completely screw up for a few years yet and still do pretty well off past success! The *REASON* for all that past success is that they *DID NOT* run the company like you're saying.

And, no, the reason I'm here arguing... is that while Apple doesn't owe anyone Win 10 Bootcamp support further back, they fairly easily could have done it (unless some actual technical reason we don't seem to see arises), which would give them positive PR rather than negative. And, that would earn them far more than it would cost in the long-run.

And, that we long-time Apple users are starting to see a shift from user-experience being #1 to other stupid 'business decisions' more along the lines we saw back before Jobs retuned.... you know the 'dark days' of Apple when they were being run by 'industry expert' CEOs like other tech-industry businesses... and everyone and their brother were saying someone should just buy up Apple and put them out of their misery.

We don't want to see Apple GO BACK to those days... prior to all this success you've pointed out. And, running their business like most tech-business (using conventional stupid 'wisdom' about business) is a sure way to get there.

 

[SteveW928]

guys saying that apple is not supporting 2011 machines because it was a planned obsolescence move is overthinking.
Apple simply has limited resources, believe it or not, and they'd rather expound the extra energy required to support the older machines to better support the later machines.
simple as that. sure, they can hire more people, but Id rather hire more engineers to make the next OS better. who wouldnt?

It depends on whether it's a 'one off' or a general trend we're starting to see across the board. Yes, it does take time to hire resources if you're under-staffed. But, Apple has plenty of resources to fix that over all.

The problem here, I think, is people are seeing this as an overly-short cutoff compared to past experience. I'd agree. If it isn't technical (which I don't think it is), then it's some form of planned-obsolence (i.e.: motivate the class of users using it to upgrade to newer machines).

 

[SteveW928]

Use it and see for yourself. I find I often ask it the weather and stuff like that to get an instant response. It's also very intelligent about responding to specific statements/requests. It's not something I use all day long, but when I want to it does what it's supposed to very, very well.

If I want the weather, I click the 'Weather Radar' item in my browser Favorites Bar and it tells me WAY more than Cortana or Siri does.

Plus, is it listening all the time? (I suppose, then, I could use it in some multi-tasking sense... like getting info without stopping what I'm currently working on.) But, at the same time, I don't want anything listening all the time, so that kind of defeats that point. If I have to turn it on/off (which, for me, I do), then it's just easier to click or do a Google search.

But, maybe I'll give it a shot, if for nothing else than the quick shot of sci-fi nostalgia.

 

[SteveW928]

Apple knows businesses with old Macs who must run Windows will see they are no longer officially supported and will be 'forced' to upgrade, or the users of older Macs will run to their boss and say they need a new Mac. It's just Apple doing what Apple do very well.

As opposed to all the people who are spending their own money, as opposed to someone else's (probably the majority?). (sarcasm)Good business strategy there.(/sarcasm)

 

[venom600]

if only mid 2015 macbook pro's came with enough storage to support a half way decent windows partition...

Windows 10 can be installed on as little as 16gb. That said, I had no problem allocating 256gb to it on my Mid 2015 MBP...

 

[frankfenn]

a few days to late I've installed Windows 10 using VirtualBox on my MacBook Pro (early 2011) since the previous Boot Camp Assistant just messed up my partitions.

 

[Subbiah]

Apple today released an update to Boot Camp with support for Microsoft Windows 10, according to a new support document. The update, Boot Camp 6, is still propagating and is not yet available for OS X. However, several MacRumors forum members have noted the update is available within Windows partitions in Boot Camp, Apple's tool to allow Intel Mac owners to dual boot OS X and Windows.

Boot Camp 6 also includes support for several Mac features within Windows 10, including USB 3, USB-C, Thunderbolt, built-in SD and SDXC card slots, built-in or external Apple SuperDrives, and the Apple keyboard, mouse and trackpad.

Windows 10 support is only available on select Macs with OS X Yosemite and the latest version of Boot Camp, which will automatically download the support software (drivers) needed to use Windows 10 on a Mac.

Boot Camp requires an authentic copy of Windows 10 for a new installation, which can be purchased from Microsoft in an ISO file or USB stick for $119. Windows 7, 8 and 8.1 users can upgrade to Windows 10 for free from within their Windows partition as long as the user's software is completely up to date.

Article Link: Apple Updates Boot Camp With Windows 10 Support

 

[Subbiah]

I did on Day 1 when Windows 10 was released. I already had Windows 8.1 on my Mac Mini and i upgrade to windows 10 without any issues..

 

[sundragon]

You don't see a link between happy customers and profits?

Providing Windows support is a minor thing, google how many Mac users have bootcamp/VM...
The point is complaining about something thats complimentary is douchey... Especially when it's a little late, LOL

But go ahead, feeling entitled to everything makes you a fun person in everyone's mind

 

[SteveW928]

I did on Day 1 when Windows 10 was released. I already had Windows 8.1 on my Mac Mini and i upgrade to windows 10 without any issues..

For sure! While we're making a big of a fuss about Apple's policy here, it's important to note we're talking about 'official support' and such. It's not like it won't work on older machines. But, I'm not used to seeing Apple cut-off 'official support' after just a few years... that's more reminiscent (and scary, if so) of iOS devices. Hence, IMO, the complaining.

 

[SteveW928]

Providing Windows support is a minor thing, google how many Mac users have bootcamp/VM...
The point is complaining about something thats complimentary is douchey... Especially when it's a little late, LOL

But go ahead, feeling entitled to everything makes you a fun person in everyone's mind

I think you're missing the point. We're complaining about something we see as part of a bigger (really dangerous) trend.

 

[Soorms]

My update is failing with the error: "The file blah blah...is not a valid installation package for the product Boot Camp Services. Try to find the installation package 'BootCamp.msi' in a folder from which you can install Boot Camp Services"

I've already dug it out and it fails.

I have this same error. Not sure how to fix it. I'm going to try downloading the installer to a USB drive from OS X then installing from there. I think the problem is that the uninstaller is broken though.

 

[Whitebuck]

Will Apple's insatiable greed and coercion ever end? Not no, but hell no!

I have Windows 10 Preview installed on my iMac (20 Inch Early 2008) no thanks to Apple or Boot Camp and it's running with no noticeable issues.

Yosemite 10.10.5 - 2.66 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo - 4 GB 800 MHz DDR2 SDRAM - Radeon HD 2600 Pro 256 MB

The only thing Apple has worth using or owning in my opinion is OS X because their hardware is exorbitantly priced and the deviate Tim has destroyed iWork, iPhoto, Front Row, iWeb etc. etc... and with El Capitan it appears he wants to also destroy OS X.

Sadly, Apple is in a state of moral and professional descent.

 

[SteveW928]

Will Apple's insatiable greed and coercion ever end? Not no, but hell no!

I have Windows 10 Preview installed on my iMac (20 Inch Early 2008) no thanks to Apple or Boot Camp and it's running with no noticeable issues.

Yosemite 10.10.5 - 2.66 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo - 4 GB 800 MHz DDR2 SDRAM - Radeon HD 2600 Pro 256 MB

The only thing Apple has worth using or owning in my opinion is OS X because their hardware is exorbitantly priced and the deviate Tim has destroyed iWork, iPhoto, Front Row, iWeb etc. etc... and with El Capitan it appears he wants to also destroy OS X.

Sadly, Apple is in a state of moral and professional descent.

Hmm, I agree with some of what you're saying and the general sentiment....

But, I've been building machines since the late-80s, and I think Apple's hardware is worth every cent!

And, if anything has me worried right now, it's the OSs (and, the hope is that iOS 9 and 10.11 are going to be reasonable fixes... do you know something from the betas?). If not, then I'll probably agree with you on that.

And iWork? I know some features disappeared, but overall, it seems better than ever.
iWeb? As a website developer, that was an utter mess! Just use WordPress and a good theme.... all these web-builder tools are crud.

But, yea, I am also worried about Cook and the direction it seems Apple might be headed. I'm hoping I'm wrong.

 

[Aidyn's X]

So apple is telling me that my office 2009 imac with i7, ssd and 16gb cant run windows 10????

No. They are saying that if you run Win10 on that machine , there is no guarantee of it working flawlessly. It's amazing that everyone is so up in arms that Apple aren't going through hardship to support a rival operating system. I think it is great that Apple are putting any resources toward something that only makes Microsoft money. That is the opposite of greed in my opinion.

 

[Yebubbleman]

Apple today released an update to Boot Camp with support for Microsoft Windows 10, according to a new support document. The update, Boot Camp 6, is still propagating and is not yet available for OS X. However, several MacRumors forum members have noted the update is available within Windows partitions in Boot Camp, Apple's tool to allow Intel Mac owners to dual boot OS X and Windows.

Boot Camp 6 also includes support for several Mac features within Windows 10, including USB 3, USB-C, Thunderbolt, built-in SD and SDXC card slots, built-in or external Apple SuperDrives, and the Apple keyboard, mouse and trackpad.

Windows 10 support is only available on select Macs with OS X Yosemite and the latest version of Boot Camp, which will automatically download the support software (drivers) needed to use Windows 10 on a Mac.

Boot Camp requires an authentic copy of Windows 10 for a new installation, which can be purchased from Microsoft in an ISO file or USB stick for $119. Windows 7, 8 and 8.1 users can upgrade to Windows 10 for free from within their Windows partition as long as the user's software is completely up to date.

Article Link: Apple Updates Boot Camp With Windows 10 Support

Ridiculous that the supported systems list has changed at all since Boot Camp 5, given that there ARE drivers for the hardware used in systems that got Apple's blessing for Boot Camp with Windows 8 and 8.1 but aren't in this list. I'll be going with 8.1 to be safe on the Mid 2010 17" that I use as my dedicated Windows laptop, but it seems like I should have APPLE'S support on said machine, let alone all of the Sandy Bridge systems. It's not like Intel doesn't or won't support that hardware with Windows 10 itself...