I feel like a lot of people are going to get confused about this. In August they announced the rebranding of m5 and m7 to i5 and i7. This is the reason I believed that it would be best for them to drop the m3 and offer i5 and i7 like all other consumer Macs. There will still be a boost, they're higher clocked as well but they are not the same MBA chips - those are in the 13" base MBP.
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Apple Updates Entire MacBook and MacBook Pro Lineup With Kaby Lake CPUs and Faster Graphics
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I use that bar, but more so I use the touchID which is amazingly quick to log into the system.
In regards to "that bar" I used it the other day when I was giving a lecture and had to jump back and forth between slides when someone asked a question. Amazingly easy to scroll through an entire PowerPoint and then press the one you want. I am hoping that more Apps eventually utilize that bar. If Apps can't think of how to use that bar, then Apple should have the menu system duplicated down into that bar. It would be nice to be able to touch through menu options rather than using the trackpad and dragging through them.
Still only the announcement APFS is coming to the notebooks at today's event. Will have to wait until Q4 for its inclusion as Apple originally estimated.
What. APFS comes to all Sierra-capable Macs this fall with High Sierra.
I don't own a macbook but i've heard mix reviews on the 1st gen butterfly keys/keyboard. I've seen a better reception on the later pro editions with 2nd gen butterfly keys. Is that what you mean when you say you'll see if they fixed the keyboard?
Does the non emojibar 2017 still have a gimped CPU like the 2016 though or does it get the same CPU as the base emojibar one.
I don't want an emojibar, but I don't want a gimped CPU either.
OTOH, I really don't see myself buying a machine with the no-travel keys either, so I'm kind of stuck. I was hoping for an update to the 2015 chassis.
No it's a good idea. But the concept of it replacing function keys is flawed, especially for the market they're aiming at. It it was in addition to the function row, I would have no complaints. It would also mean the whole bar can show the current app controls.
I've got MBP with TB 15" bought in April (but it was manufactured about February) and it has no problem with keyboard at all. Only when it getting hot (about 60/70*C) the number 5 and 7 key going to be "sticky" - and that effect gone when macbook cool down. Thats the only thing that is quite disturbing. Anything else is really smooth.
They're talking about the 2nd gen keyboard in the 2016 MBP's. It's a disaster; inconsistent key feelings, squeaky keys, a whole bunch of problems. For me though, the lack of travel is the worst defect in keyboard.
Totally agree! All the people talking trash after the new MBP's came out made you feel like someone crossing a picket line when I bought it
But really it is an excellent machine and the best Mac that I have owned. Now if I could only get an Adobe Creative Suite as a non-subscription model then I would toss away my old laptop.
That's right! Well done! Q4 is this Fall. This Fall is Q4. Now, back to sleep.
Still 15W CPU, and it's probably going to stay that way. The difference could be a lot more significant if they go with the quad-core 15W for the Touch Bar pros next year.
The keys are on the verge of having satisfying travel but they are so inconsistent with the 2nd gen keyboard so you never get the same feel with each key. Some keys may literally feel like they have no travel, I think it depends on size.
Could you ever feel 'ok' about parting with such a huge sum of cash for that thing? You were robbed! Not quite sure what you were thinking as it's a terrible purchase. The base model is so-so with a ridiculously high price point, I wouldn't feel quite as mugged paying for that as I would for paying for all the extras on top of an already obscene price point.
Still, if you're happy then that really is all that matters.
The new keyboard was tough at first. Tons of typos. But it reminds me A LOT (!!!) of when the iPhone first came out and everyone said typing on a screen is going to be garbage compared to the Blackberry. You just need to train your fingers to not press down as much; in many ways because there is less travel you can actually type faster. The people making all the loud sounds have still not learned to adjust to tiny movements, as if you lightly press as you type then the keys are whisper quiet.
Awesome, thanks for the additional details!. Again, it's more just out of general curiosity, love my MBP Pro for most of my computing, but I realize for serious portable GPU performance, you have to look elsewhere (my portable AR/VR machine - I hesitate to say "laptop" - has a GTX1080
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add 512GB SSD drive, 8GB ram and the faster processor and you're looking at € 2500. Think I'll stay with my 2011 MacBook Air for a bit longer
Did anyone else feel the discussion of new "notebooks" was very short. compared to everything else, it was like 2 minutes and done. No discussion of battery that I recall? only 2 big statements is Kaby and ram.
It's just when you lay out the money on a computer you're going to keep for years, and 2 months later the CPU you wished for came out. I know how the game goes, so I'm okay to roll with it.
Battery life remains the same, apparently... Kabylake offers better GPU performance. It's suppose to be more power efficient too. Thats about it - its a 'tock' iteration.
There really isn't much difference.. I suppose Apple could have talked about improvements to the iGPU, and new AMD 560 Pro...
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Dear Apple,
I am not sure you get the "Pro" thing. In general, consumer products are static in build at the time of purchase, while "pro" products allowed power users to adapt their hardware to changing needs and demands. By making the MBP a static product, you have made the MBP much less attractive to real pro users. In the past, an MBP would allow users to upgrade memory and storage to meet the demands of ever increasing file sizes and project sizes. This flexibility gave pro users confidence that the system they purchase today can, for a price, be adapted to the work that needs to be done next year of the year after. Today, because the MBP is a hardware static product upon purchase, there is no confidence that the machine you buy today will be able to keep up with your work demands even before AppleCare runs out. If you want to innovate, at least make the memory and SSD upgradable after purchase. If you want to lead, add in a way to upgrade the video card after purchase as well. You have sacrificed flexibility and power for being a bit lighter and thinner, which is fine for a consumer grade product, but it makes the purchase of a new MBP difficult to justify.
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I am not sure you get the "Pro" thing. In general, consumer products are static in build at the time of purchase, while "pro" products allowed power users to adapt their hardware to changing needs and demands. By making the MBP a static product, you have made the MBP much less attractive to real pro users. In the past, an MBP would allow users to upgrade memory and storage to meet the demands of ever increasing file sizes and project sizes. This flexibility gave pro users confidence that the system they purchase today can, for a price, be adapted to the work that needs to be done next year of the year after. Today, because the MBP is a hardware static product upon purchase, there is no confidence that the machine you buy today will be able to keep up with your work demands even before AppleCare runs out. If you want to innovate, at least make the memory and SSD upgradable after purchase. If you want to lead, add in a way to upgrade the video card after purchase as well. You have sacrificed flexibility and power for being a bit lighter and thinner, which is fine for a consumer grade product, but it makes the purchase of a new MBP difficult to justify.
- G
So it's going to be a 15W Kaby Lake in the non TB while the TB model has the 28W? That really spoils things.
I hate the way they take something good and replace it with something inferior that doesn't even work properly.
I average about 3 hours a day typing on my laptop, and my desktop has a mechanical keyboard. When I played with the 2016 MBP in the store for about 1/2 an hour, it felt like smashing my fingers into a piece of glass (with a bit of help keeping my fingers centered where they should be).
You're comparing day against night and surprised there is a huge difference?
Right, I returned several 2016 MBP's it's the inconsistent key feelings (louder sounding keys in the middle of the board and almost silent sounding keys on the outer sides, sticky keys, wobbly space bar and popping keys. I'm really hoping that with this minor update that they fixed all this. I'll soon find out myself.
I'm also really hoping that this spec update also fixed the lag I was experiencing with the CPU.
I never had a blackberry, and I accepted the iPhone for the limitations of a pocket sized devices. But for what it's worth, I rarely send texts from my iPhone because I hate typing even a couple of sentences on it. I love the iMessages integration to macOS and that's when I really started "texting". From my MBP.
At this point, iMessages is one of the very few reasons I'm not looking to order a windows laptop today.