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Try shooting an hour long show on Thursday night with 3 cameras and have it ready for broadcast QC friday afternoon and air friday night to 300 million households. Once you're in that situation, you can lecture me on not being able to "figure out a way" myself. I don't put deadline-heavy shows in the hands of tools that have been downgraded to cut the features I use for that very instance. That's unprofessional and stupid.


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They did. It was said in the keynote. It was said in every article written about the initial release.

Thing is for how long they took with FCPX there was uncertainty on when they would actually bring those features back, and they still don't have feature parity with FCP7.

For how long they took it was appalling that it was iMovie pro and not what was expected.
 
...There's no doubt FCPX is not for broadcast, but that does not mean it's not for professionals. Simply working in broadcast does not automatically qualify someone to refer to themselves as a "professional" editor. It offends every corporate, indie, education, artist, wedding videographer etc etc out there. FCPX (in its current form) is for non-broadcast professionals, in other words, the majority of Apple's FCP user base.
The term Professional has changed so much over the years.
Back in the day, I frowned upon the web video folks and now Im actually competing with some locally for work.
Sure my facility has everything from XDCAMS to RED MX but some dude with a Canon XL-1 can easily do just as well as long their work is good.
I respect that :)
 
ok now

I am a editor for NBC and other cable networks and it doesn't matter what I edit with I adapt . I haven't been using FINAL CUT X a lot but I use FINAL CUT 7 with no issues and I also work with premiere and avid . If you are a good editor you can work with most any program so stop the whining and learn how to edit !
 
I sense confusion over Apple's shift in targeted market with Final Cut Pro.

Yes a lot of "professional" users shifted to AVID setups. How many people total is that? Several thousand?

Apple is now targeting millions of people; the pro-sumers, the wedding video guys, the people making YouTube shows, fan films, Freddie Wong-types.

I think Apple would rather sell its products to millions of customers than a few thousand (who endlessly bitch about everything Apple does regardless of what it is).

Why do you think the Mac Pro is getting nixed? They are simply not selling in any quantity that justifies the product line's continued existence (to Apple).

What will apple do when they reach saturation? the consumer market apple is so in love now is not known for upgrading often, i do wonder how long they can keep sales of the iphone that high.
 
They did. It was said in the keynote. It was said in every article written about the initial release.

What keynote are you talking about?

When the software was first released there were no announcements about the future of the product. It wasn't until after the huge backlash that Apple made public statements about the future of the product, and even those were still somewhat vague about what features would return, as well as vague timelines for when it would happen.

And it didn't help matters to immediately discontinue FC7 either.

People seem to have selective memory about what actually happened when FCX was released.


Why do you think the Mac Pro is getting nixed?

Empty speculation at this point, we'll probably see an update in a few weeks along with Intel's new releases.
 

Any compliment from Neil deGrasse Tyson is fine by me.

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I didnt want to get involved but dont we all have the freedom to choose what we want.
Just like he had the choice to reply back to your negative comment.
Its an update folks not a cure for cancer.
Just to add, my production facility uses Avid MC and Premiere and FCP/FCPX.
They are all pencils and pens.
None of them change lives and how the future is shaped.

Last I checked its our work that gets the client to come back not the hardware/software :)

I agree. Except when the new pen doesn't use ink.

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There's no doubt FCPX is not for broadcast, but that does not mean it's not for professionals. Simply working in broadcast does not automatically qualify someone to refer to themselves as a "professional" editor.

When it pays my bills it does.
 
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My production house just delivered our first project completely managed with the Adobe CS suite. The project management between the director, editor, motion graphics/ compositor, color grader and sound mixer was soooooo efficiant. That's 5 people collaborating. Most $100,000+ production houses COLLABORATE and the new final cut workflow DOES NOT accommodate this.

We've heavily invested in the Adobe workflow and love it. The only thing that worries me is if we do a film. Asset management isn't quit as robust as Avid.
 
Maybe post video links as an example of how pro you are AFTER you figured out how to keep the correct aspect ratio on YouTube? Uploading a 16x9 video in 4x3 aspect is so 1998.

and 4 days? Seriously? That looks like 40 minutes.

An example? OK- here's a clip we pumped out last summer in about 4 days. 3 camera shoot, multi format, & a client breathing down our neck. Graphics created in motion, seamlessly integrated into FCPX sequence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlcVuluInsk&feature=related

BAM.
 
Is it just me or is Premiere much much more responsive and faster than FCP X, but also faster than FCP 7? I never used Premiere, but FCP X made me try it out and it seems extremely responsive and quick...
 
While this is good news. My company has already migrated to Premiere. They won't switch back anytime soon. I fear this may be the case for several companies.

For my home machine I will give it a try. But I have to say I've grown to really like Premiere. Especially because I work in After effects
 
I am a editor for NBC and other cable networks and it doesn't matter what I edit with I adapt . I haven't been using FINAL CUT X a lot but I use FINAL CUT 7 with no issues and I also work with premiere and avid . If you are a good editor you can work with most any program so stop the whining and learn how to edit !

I don't really see any whining. I see a lot of those who say FCPX just won't work with their workflow. I also see those who love it. To each their own.

The problem is that it seems hard to engage in legitimate discussion when the Apple sycophants cry foul when pointing out even the slightest of negatives. Of course there are those on the other side, but this board breeds more of the former for obvious reasons.

Regardless, the FCPX debate is more complicated than just saying "as a quality editor you should be able to work with anything." That's obvious. The editorial process is more than the tools available. It's just that everyone doesn't have the ability to use whatever tool they want. They're bound by certain workflows, collaboration, hundreds of thousands of dollars in hardware, etc. It is a fact that FCPX is just not useable for many editors. To simply write this off as whining is just as disingenuous as those who scoff at the thought of event videographers, indie filmmakers, etc. being "pros."
 
Ok, you can call BS all you want. I've done the same as you on an international broadcast level as well as film, corporate and PR experience and have the same degree. To each their own, I'm just going on the swath of editors that I know. And if you think FCP X is ready for primetime...you must be working in community cable access.

From your previous posts on the topic, it's obvious that while you feel you are only "scratching the surface with what FCP X can do", that surface is only skin deep in my part of the industry where i deal with Discovery Channel, National Geographic, MSNBC, Al Jazeera, Comcast, CNN, etc. THOSE are my clients, and they are not interested in wasting time with Apple's lack of a roadmap. I have to collaborate and interact with them and deliver material with the most professional tools available. FCPX is not that tool...sorry to disappoint.

And the lack of Professional Roadmap extends to hardware. No one knows if there will be another pro-level computer or what it will look like (no MacPro roadmap - computer, interconnections (Thunderbolt? FW800/1600/3200? USP3.0? eSata?), internal bus (still PCIe?). There is no roadmap for physical media (EOL for DVD SP? all virtual delivery?)

So how can a professional shop or individual plan. He he/she needs new capability now and in the coming year or so, does he train everyone for the pretty much all new FCX, or jump ship to Avid / Adobe, etc. If they are going to abandon MacPro, just tell us. Won't hurt current sales in a way Apple finds significant (otherwise, they wouldn't EOL it; if not, tell us that, too. If physical media is to be abandoned by Apple, tell us that, too. Can't hurt them if they think that media is no longer significant).

Their secrecy is just stupid in the professional arena.
 
Sapphire Edge

Just to add that with this release, Sapphire also released their Edge plug-in.
Its good to see other vendors trying to add to this software.
 
Ok, you can call BS all you want. I've done the same as you on an international broadcast level as well as film, corporate and PR experience and have the same degree. To each their own, I'm just going on the swath of editors that I know. And if you think FCP X is ready for primetime...you must be working in community cable access.

And again the same old arrogance:rolleyes:

Face it - Movies and Broadcast aren't the only areas people edit video for a living (that's what professional means).
 
Maybe post video links as an example of how pro you are AFTER you figured out how to keep the correct aspect ratio on YouTube? Uploading a 16x9 video in 4x3 aspect is so 1998.

and 4 days? Seriously? That looks like 40 minutes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkDlUhayOYo

Here's the first thing we ever cut using FCP, still ahead of the curve even in 2012. Would be happy ton answer any and all queries as to work flow & gfx integration, but I'm afraid you'd get confused.
 
And again the same old arrogance:rolleyes:

Face it - Movies and Broadcast aren't the only areas people edit video for a living (that's what professional means).

Never said they weren't. My definition of a professional is someone who makes money and a living at their craft. I merely said all the professionals I know don't use FCP X for anything. And that's in the high end post and high end broadcast industries, where FCP X isn't ready for primetime according to those I know.
 
Every FCPX article turns into an e-peen contest about who has the most experience. I love it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkDlUhayOYo

Here's the first thing we ever cut using FCP, still ahead of the curve even in 2012. Would be happy ton answer any and all queries as to work flow & gfx integration, but I'm afraid you'd get confused.

Wow, if you're going to look down your nose at someone, make sure your work can back up the trash talk.
 
Never said they weren't. My definition of a professional is someone who makes money and a living at their craft. I merely said all the professionals I know don't use FCP X for anything. And that's in the high end post and high end broadcast industries, where FCP X isn't ready for primetime according to those I know.
Maybe this is where the feathers get ruffled. Kinda of an elitist attitude I'm guessing.
I dont take offense to mere comments that it doesnt work.
It just bugs me at other posts where the op needs help and the trolls come out of the wood work with no help at all. Just good old bashing :p
 
I sense confusion over Apple's shift in targeted market with Final Cut Pro.

Yes a lot of "professional" users shifted to AVID setups. How many people total is that? Several thousand?

Apple is now targeting millions of people; the pro-sumers, the wedding video guys, the people making YouTube shows, fan films, Freddie Wong-types.

I think Apple would rather sell its products to millions of customers than a few thousand (who endlessly bitch about everything Apple does regardless of what it is).

Why do you think the Mac Pro is getting nixed? They are simply not selling in any quantity that justifies the product line's continued existence (to Apple).

A few points:

1. Apple significantly lowered the costs of FCPX. FCP7 cost more and had a much more professional and robust system. Couple that with the thousands of dollars movie studios pay in licensing fees and hardware, it was a great deal of money for Apple.

2. If Apple truly wants to target a new "pro-sumer" demographic, then produce an application for that demographic. Don't revamp an already working professional application to target a different audience. Make an app targeted for the "pro-sumers" (such as the current FCPX) and keep FCP for studio houses. It wouldn't cost Apple much to produce those two segments (Apple has what, $80 billion in cash?). This would bring in money from the "pro-sumer" segment while bringing in money from the "professional" segment.

3. As mentioned, ignoring the professional market by claiming it doesn't bring in enough profit compared to the consumer market is a misnomer. Businesses and studio's may be a small market, but they are big spenders. When one business has $50-100k at least for upgrading their systems (and investing in Apple products for a long term) that adds up to a great deal.

So why leave one market for the other when consumers/prosumers and professionals can be made happy? Apple is ROLLING in cash reserves, do not tell me they cannot put even a small amount of that into revamping the professional market again. Before Intel, before the iPhone, Apple made their bank off professionals and high-end consumers. That need still exists, Apple isn't dictating market needs, they are simply ignoring one and focusing on another when they can do both. They did when Jobs came back in the late 90's and went from "red" to "black" which then propelled them into R&D for iDevices. I just don't understand why Apple believes it is one or the other, and not both.
 
+1. I couldn't believe or understand what I was hearing when FCP X was released. Editors all over the web were talking about how they went out that night and purchased Premier. Then Adobe and Avid ran their 50% off sales and a bunch of these guys went running with their credit cards in hand...

I do video for fun and corporate IT during the day. Only analogy I can give is enterprise software like DBMS. Let's say my firm is running Oracle 10g and Oracle releases 11 with tons of changes, some better, some worse. Guess what? We don't go out that week or month and move everything over to IBM DB2 or MS SQL Server! We wait and see. We talk to Oracle and other customers. We measure our needs over the future and plan accordingly.

I know Apple's lack of communication of road maps makes this difficult but it seems they have communicated pretty well on FCP X issues and they have delivered too.



I work in post and *no one* has moved to MC or Premier. No business person would make such a knee-jerk reaction such as that! FCP 7 didn't somehow stop working when FCPX came out... smh.

Anyone who has been in the business knows that new technology takes time to sort and out and don't jump on bandwagons or off bandwagons because of a product update.

FCPX *clearly* looks like a great way forward in terms of file based media. Add to that the implementation of Thunderbolt devices and you have very powerful platform. With feedback from us pros Apple has proven time and time again that they listen to their customers.
 
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