If that were the case Leopard wouldn't have been delayed from what Jobs admitted was a lack of man power due to concentration within Cupertino on the iPhone. As well, there hasn't been a big update for the iPhone since its release, just minor ones, and updates to keep money and control to the RIAA (while pissing off a lot of iPhone owners). Also, Apple has an admitted history of not wanting to hire more and more people within the company, as Jobs wants to keep Apple, Inc. small, micromanaged and controlled. Thus, it would stand to reason that the manpower utilized in producing minor updates to iTunes in order to keep people from making ringtones out of music they already legally own is taking away from other departments such as focusing on major firmware and software updates (cough*leopard*cough*cough*). In conclusion, no, there most likely aren't two different teams. I highly doubt there is an "iTunes Ringtone Licensing Watchdog Team" and a separate "iTunes Programming Department". In fact, I have an acquaintance Ben who is a 20 something programmer for Apple, hired fresh out of Buffalo from college, who pretty much has supported this fact.
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If that were the case Leopard wouldn't have been delayed from what Jobs admitted was a lack of man power due to concentration within Cupertino on the iPhone. As well, there hasn't been a big update for the iPhone since its release, just minor ones, and updates to keep money and control to the RIAA (while pissing off a lot of iPhone owners). Also, Apple has an admitted history of not wanting to hire more and more people within the company, as Jobs wants to keep Apple, Inc. small, micromanaged and controlled. Thus, it would stand to reason that the manpower utilized in producing minor updates to iTunes in order to keep people from making ringtones out of music they already legally own is taking away from other departments such as focusing on major firmware and software updates (cough*leopard*cough*cough*). In conclusion, no, there most likely aren't two different teams. I highly doubt there is an "iTunes Ringtone Licensing Watchdog Team" and a separate "iTunes Programming Department". In fact, I have an acquaintance Ben who is a 20 something programmer for Apple, hired fresh out of Buffalo from college, who pretty much has supported this fact.
No this is NOT true. I know artists who receive royalties via BMI ASAP and the like for Ringtones. RIAA does not take the money, they are really a lobbying goup that represents and fights on behalf of the record industry. They used to matter. Not anymore though.
True Story: A Few years ago Merv Griffen (US TV personality and Game show inventor) received a check for over one million dollars. He asked his assistant what the check was for an he was told it for RingTones. Merv (who just died last month) had created the game show Jeopardy and also wrote it's theme song. His reponse to his assistant " What are ringtones?"
That is indeed a true story; excerpt from the Rolling Stone article:
Merv also wrote the song. ''Back then,'' he says, ''all these game-show themes were very ominous -- this mysterioso music. I thought I better not revert to anything that was done in the past. So I went to the piano and fiddled around. I went'' -- he rocks his head back and forth and sings the familiar melody -- '' 'lah-de-dah-dah, lah-de dah.' It couldn't have taken a half-hour.''
Merv estimates that he has made in the neighborhood of $80 million on the song's royalties over the years -- and that was before the advent of a new technology that has only made the song more profitable. Recently, Merv opened a piece of mail containing a ''huge'' check. ''I couldn't think what it was for,'' Merv says. ''I had to ask the young people in my office, 'What does this ''ring tone'' mean?' ''
7.4.6 is the release when Apple adds there "Mind control" feature, to stop all of this
.7.4.7 is when they take over the world: Apple + iTunes
.Edit: Actually they don't have to patch it again, for the moment the uploading of ringtones in iTunes in this version is gone, without any loopholes
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Good thing I SuperDuper!'d my drive before doing the update. Dragging iTunes.app (7.4.1) from the clone back into the applications folder put everything back to normal.
Especially since it is not at all clear that copying a song for which I have a license (from a CD, for example) to another device to play it (legal), but that it happens to be a ring tone is illegal. In fact, I thought that there was a provision in one of the many copyright acts which forbade interfering with an end user's "fair use" rights, of which I believe this is one. Any lawyers out there who know something about the existing copyright laws?
If Apple is interfering with Fair Use, and that action is forbidden, I expect the suit to be filed any day now. (when monkeys fly out of my nether regions).
Eddie O
My two bits
Well, having created my own ringtones via Garageband can I now get Apple to release them via iTunes?
Hell, I might make a few bucks....
Until then I think I'll be pretty happy with iToner.
Well, having created my own ringtones via Garageband can I now get Apple to release them via iTunes?
Hell, I might make a few bucks....
Until then I think I'll be pretty happy with iToner.
cha ching! someone bought my song as a ringtone, now what will I do with my 6 cents!?!
Actually, I am an artist on iTunes Music Store and I make 70 cents per song, but not when so many people are peer sharing [my songs] for free. It may not be a big deal to the superstars making millions, but this is part of my bread and butter; it's how I live, and it does hurt when I see that my albums/songs are being ripped more than they are being bought.
Well, having created my own ringtones via Garageband can I now get Apple to release them via iTunes?
Hell, I might make a few bucks....
Until then I think I'll be pretty happy with iToner.
You can if you are on a label with a deal with iTunes or you ARE a label/distributor like myself.
Proven & Confirmed (with me at least) Ringtone solution!
OK, so I had installed a custom ringtone via the .m4r/.m4a hack (the installing, then changing the file format again so it would sync to the iPhone); the theme of "The West Wing". This was my only non-Apple custom ringtone. I have had it set as my main ringtone for about a week.
Today, I downloaded the trial version of iToner, hoping to reinstall it once the 7.4.2 update would brake it...
BUT!
Although the update to iTunes removed my ringtone from the 'Ringtone' submenu in iTunes, the ringtone is still on my phone! I've resynced it a number of times, even uploaded an Apple ringtone, and it worked!
So, if you don't update to 7.4.2, upload a ringtone and set it as your main tone, and then update to 7.4.2, it should stick!
Hope that helps people!
OK, so I had installed a custom ringtone via the .m4r/.m4a hack (the installing, then changing the file format again so it would sync to the iPhone); the theme of "The West Wing". This was my only non-Apple custom ringtone. I have had it set as my main ringtone for about a week.
Today, I downloaded the trial version of iToner, hoping to reinstall it once the 7.4.2 update would brake it...
BUT!
Although the update to iTunes removed my ringtone from the 'Ringtone' submenu in iTunes, the ringtone is still on my phone! I've resynced it a number of times, even uploaded an Apple ringtone, and it worked!
So, if you don't update to 7.4.2, upload a ringtone and set it as your main tone, and then update to 7.4.2, it should stick!
Hope that helps people!
...and then there's the rest of us who don't have iPhones to be affected by any of this...
That's easy for you to say.you have a Tardis!
...and then there's the rest of us who don't have iPhones to be affected by any of this...
So??? I don't have one, but its still an annoying thing to go through.
iTunes 7.4.3 released.
This iTunes update tackles issues with people still enjoying their iPhones.
Apples says this new release will charge you $0.99 not only for a custom ringtone, but will charge an extra $0.99 when ever a phone call is received when using that ringtone.
This iTunes update tackles issues with people still enjoying their iPhones.
Apples says this new release will charge you $0.99 not only for a custom ringtone, but will charge an extra $0.99 when ever a phone call is received when using that ringtone.
Even if you haven't a label, you can publish and profit from (assuming anyone buys your music) songs on iTunes; see this web page:
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/tunecore
I don't think they have a ringtone arrangement yet, but I can only assume it is in the works. Basically, anyone can get a song "for sale" on iTunes.
Eddie O
Both Leapord and Iphone are OS X obviously these teams would share resources if not integrated or the same. Its a fair assessment to say that with full spotlight on iphone that the smart move was to make sure iphone released with at least its bare essentials then suffer the PR nightmare of being delayed. OS X has, what I would call, a fairly good release out
(Tiger) and could handle being delayed.
No major updates were ever promised to you as a consumer. Just because the update process is much easier for the iphone, doesn't guarantee you any new features at all. Im with you and everyone else here in hopes for great things, but nothing is ethically or legally holding apple from doing anything but maintenance releases, and of course they are going to break thing that take them money. If share holders arnt happy things wont go well for apple.
While its true they keep a tight ship, this still has nothing to do with delaying iphone releases because of itunes work, one doesnt simply move a team of programmers from Itunes over to Leapord, then back over to iphones, then back to itunes. While be it possible, it isnt common pratice and there is no evidence to support otherwise. All these projects are running concurrently and are for the most part mutually exclusive. Even parts of OS X are further broken up to finer detailed areas of work. For example, they have a team entirely dedicated to PDF development and support.
If anything this has more to do with not hiring enough people over all instead their focus on preventing free ringtones. Im sure Mr Jobs would love the RIAA off his back just like you.
Odd, I have a acquaintance in the above mentioned PDF team on OSX who would say different. Guess its words vs word at this point.
Oh well. We can hope for the update we all want.
OS v. Apps
They needed the OS people. That is a different group. Writing an operating system is quite a bit different from writing applications.
They needed the OS people. That is a different group. Writing an operating system is quite a bit different from writing applications.
Code is code. If that were the case why did Jobs state that they did move OS people over to the iPhone, in writing the OS for the device as well as the accompanying software to run it on the machine (iTunes)?
Applications or OS, it's all the same when it comes to programming languages and types. Most programmers can easily move from one to the other.
Wow, you certainly took the time in picking apart my statement. Honestly, update or not, if the product has software issues (which the iPhone clearly does), then those issues need to be addressed. As the iPhone is run on software, just as a computer or other smart phone device, a company is expected to address those flaws with software updates. After all, OS X 10.4 has been updated numerous times at no extra cost to the consumer, because that is how it is done. The iPhone is no exception. It is running a version of OS X, and as such updates are logically expected as part of the product package.
As for OS v Application writing and such, Jobs himself has stated that he moved people from different departments into the iPhone department, etc. Programmers at Apple, Inc. are surely proficient in enough programming language to move around the company as needed. The delay in Leopard due to Apple's need in programmers for the OS in iPhone is a prime example of the software delays Apple has faced.
Ok, this is over kill, I made a passing comment that has been over analyzed, it's a bit silly. It's just a friggin' phone. In the end, the world turns.
Considering how overloaded iTunes has become, I'm thinking the next major version of Mac OS will in fact be iTunes.