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Since this "update" just "bumps up" the storage capacity, and doesn't seem to change the "chips that control things", I'm wondering if this "revision B" might still boot into Mojave ...?
 
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Since this "update" just "bumps up" the storage capacity, and doesn't seem to change the "chips that control things", I'm wondering if this "revision B" might still boot into Mojave ...?

We can but hope!

A 3.2 i7 with 1 TB SSD is now $1349 (Veteran/military store). That's better . . . but a refurb 3.7 GHz 6 core iMac for $1754 is still a MUCH better buy. (IMO, obviously.)
 
8th gen cpu? Thanks apple :/
And people say I whine when I say apple doesn’t have a good computer for programmers (desktop, their mobile options are good)

We all want different things. I love my late 2015 27" iMac Retina. I've always been a pixel junkie. I'd love it more with an affordable 27" retina 5K monitor option to make it dual monitor.
 
I'm really disappointed in this non-upgrade upgrade. They haven't updated to Wifi 6, and the CPU is a couple of generations behind now (8th gen, while 10th gen was released some time ago) - and thus, the internal graphics is still bad.

Of course, I was also hoping for a switch to AMD for a huge increase in graphics power and some CPU performance increase - but that they didn't even update the internals at all, seemingly, is very disappointing.
This reminds me of when they non-updated the Mac Pro's in 2017. They just changed the lowered the price for storage.

It's be a shame if they let the Mini linger again for another five years.

Then again, they seem to be doing that with all the desktops---the iMac was refreshed in 2015, 2017 and 2019
 
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The price needs to be "mini", too. Starting at $1000 (in Canada) is not a budget computer. Or are my expectations out of sync with current pricing of computers? I guess when mobile phones are also coming in at that price, maybe that is the new normal?
 
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No updated processor or graphics?
These are not particularly compelling at this point. They were when first released but if Apple had put 10th gen Intel processors...that would be compelling.
Would've been nice to see at least 9th gen CPUs inside. A welcome boost, though
8th gen cpu? Thanks apple :/
Looks like another 4 years before a real upgrade, like last time.

Intel never released a 9th Generation CPU using the socket the Mac Mini uses and not sure they have announced a 10th Generation in the socket so you can "thank" Intel for their being no CPU/iGPU upgrades at this time.
 
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That's a very lame update. Storage alone is not that big a deal any more.
Give me a new processor, more ram, faster gpu etc.

In the current global economic climate I think it's the obvious solution, literally no research required, just double the SSD capacity - parts that already exist in the supply chain as BTO parts and Apple get cheaply. Imagine the outcry if they did nothing? As it is, it's a 'refresh' after just 18 months are more value for money. Something they could have done for the 2014 model too.

The 2019 iMac might not get an update till October when it would be an 18 month old model - I would have thought that Apple would just improve the storage options on that and call it a day. They could go down the road of offering higher capacity Fusion parts eg 2Tb Fusion Drive in bottom and middle 27" SKUs (these come with 128Gb SSD component rather than 24Gb), and maybe 512Gb SSD in the top SKU.

For the 21.5" models, go with 1Tb Fusion Drive across lower and middle SKU with 256Gb SSD in top SKU.

Obviously any iMac Pro that gets released in this time would prove that model isn't dead - that's surely for another thread but an improved iMac Pro before 10 core iMacs come perhaps later this year would have a useful sales bump.
 
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I was considering buying the Mac Mini 2018 in 2018 but still had my Mac Pro 2009.

I invested a few hundred bucks in the old cheese grater and got this out of it.

I have nigh on the same machine, just 3.33GHz and 96GB RAM instead. I do plan on upgrading to a new Mac Pro at some point but likely not for another year or two yet as there's too much other stuff that the money would be better spent on instead at the moment and I'd want to get a relatively high spec machine. I did last week get an i7 2018 Mac Mini with 64GB of RAM (upgraded by the seller) and 512GB SSD for only a little more than the base i5 model's current selling price. We needed a compact headless server for work but as we're still kind of as startup, I want to save money where I can so bought used. It's crazy fast for the size it is - similar performance to my MP multicore and about double for single core stuff.
 
Intel never released a 9th Generation CPU using the socket the Mac Mini uses and not sure they have announced a 10th Generation in the socket so you can "thank" Intel for their being no CPU/iGPU upgrades at this time.

Who says they have to stick with the same socket? Intel's i5-8259-U is a fine chip with Iris Plus graphics. And intel sells it in a NUC, which I almost bought (NUC8i5BEH). If it wasn't port-deprived (4 USB ports are not enough) I would have went for it. Instead I went for a AMD Linux system with a Ryzen 3200G. So far, so good. Apple is being really annoying about their graphics.
 
That’s it?? Yawn. Color me underwhelmed.

of course this little storage “spec bump” will give Apple an excuse to let the machine languish for another year and a half or more. Pathetic.

IMHO, storage is the thing Apple really needed to address. For example, I couldn't recommend a Mac with only 128gb SSD for my in-laws. Now with 256gb I probably can.

Upgraded processor would have been nice, but I'm not sure that Intel makes anything faster in the 65W TDP (thermal design power) category than what it's already using.

Newer bluetooth, wi-fi, hdmi, and/or thunderbolt would also have been nice, but I guess that would have taken more effort.

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What I really wish Apple made was a egpu device in the same form factor as the Mac mini. I have an egpu with AMD Radeon VII and it so insanely big compared to the Mac mini.

This is not something you need Apple to do. A third party should be just as good, no?

I'm not sure what it would take to get it in that form factor. It might have to be a laptop-class GPU.
 
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Well, I didn't really expect any sort of upgrade, so I'll take it. Just waiting for my 2012 to die and then I'll potentially go with this mini.
 
It's be a shame if they let the Mini linger again for another five years.

... 2018 - 2014 is four years but ok.

Then again, they seem to be doing that with all the desktops---the iMac was refreshed in 2015, 2017 and 2019

I mean, you do realise that's an update every two years right?

Intel's i5-8259-U is a fine chip with Iris Plus graphics.
You realise that's a worse chip than what's in the current i5 Mac mini, right? Maybe the iGPU is better, but the rest is much worse. You can add an eGPU. You can't add extra RAM capacity or CPU power.
 
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Oh really? I was about to buy a mac mini 2018 to drive my 2 4k displays.
Is it really that underpowered? I dont do videoediting or something like that, mostly developing.

My 2018 mini can drive a single 3840x2160@60Hz display at 10-bit deep color with no problem. It's connected via a usbC-to-displayport cable (I happen to be using an active cable, but a passive cable should also work for the 2018 mini) because an HDMI connection would be limited to 30Hz.

It's supposed to be able to drive a second 3840x2160@60Hz display using one of the other usbC ports (but not the port driven by the same controller as the first display) but I don't know how taxing this would be. I haven't tried it yet. I think it would be ok if you were running with 2x or 1x scaling, which would be appropriate if your display was 24" or about double that. If your display is 27" or 32" then fractional scaling is probably appropriate, and fractional scaling takes more computational power.
 
These are not particularly compelling at this point. They were when first released but if Apple had put 10th gen Intel processors or AMD’s new 4000 series, that would be compelling (if Apple wanted to go the route of a mobile processor). Or, why not a Ryzen 9 3900 (65W processor) or any of AMD's 65 W series (Ryzen 5 3600 would be great)? That would be a change for Apple but they just might have engineers working for the company who could come up with an appropriate thermal solution. Or they could wait to release this when the new 10th-gen Intel desktop processors are available.

It’s possible these get A?? processors with the next update though.

Firstly, you wouldn't put the 3900W in this, but you would the 4900H or 4900HS thus alleviating the anemic GPU capacity of the Mac Mini, and a lower power envelop.



Realistically, Apple would put the 4800U with it's 15W Default TDP and 10-25W cTDP.


As it stands it's not compelling me to buy and I need a new system.
 
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Are new processors not ready for this?

Nope. Intel didn't make equivalent Coffee Lake Refresh chips, and it's unclear if they'll make ones for Comet Lake.
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Firstly, you wouldn't put the 3900W in this, but you would the 4900H or 4900HS thus alleviating the anemic GPU capacity of the Mac Mini, and a lower power envelop.



Realistically, Apple would put the 4800U with it's 15W Default TDP and 10-25W cTDP.


As it stands it's not compelling me to buy and I need a new system.

Why would Apple change the Mac mini from 65W to 15?
 
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I have nigh on the same machine, just 3.33GHz and 96GB RAM instead. I do plan on upgrading to a new Mac Pro at some point but likely not for another year or two yet as there's too much other stuff that the money would be better spent on instead at the moment and I'd want to get a relatively high spec machine. I did last week get an i7 2018 Mac Mini with 64GB of RAM (upgraded by the seller) and 512GB SSD for only a little more than the base i5 model's current selling price. We needed a compact headless server for work but as we're still kind of as startup, I want to save money where I can so bought used. It's crazy fast for the size it is - similar performance to my MP multicore and about double for single core stuff.
Is your MP using SSDs? If so, would you say the speeds of the MP SSD is much slower than the Mini?
 
I guess they could have gone with AMD, but that was probably a lot of work tinkering, tweaking and optimising in MacOS to actually make doing that beneficial. Not worth it for just one model. Outside of that latest 9th gen chips aren't particularly worth updating to over the 8th gen ones already in there.
 
Who says they have to stick with the same socket?

Apple does. They'd have to redesign the Mac mini yet again just because Intel can't be bothered to make the same form factor twice.

Intel's i5-8259-U is a fine chip with Iris Plus graphics.

OK, maybe? But that's a way worse chip than what the Mac mini already has, so not sure where you're going there.

It's nice to save some power, I suppose.
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And that means, it’ll get a BATTERY, right?

Err. Why?
 
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