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Firstly, you wouldn't put the 3900W in this, but you would the 4900H or 4900HS thus alleviating the anemic GPU capacity of the Mac Mini, and a lower power envelop.

Why would Apple change the Mac mini from 65W to 15?

The 4800U is 15W TDP, but the 4900HS is 35W and the 4900H is 45W.

I think a mac mini with AMD 4900H APU would be quite appealing, but Apple doesn't seem to want to touch AMD processors. I'm not sure why that is. (Perhaps they have an exclusivity agreement with Intel??)
 
I was considering buying the Mac Mini 2018 in 2018 but still had my Mac Pro 2009.

I invested a few hundred bucks in the old cheese grater and got this out of it.

Mac Pro 2009 upgraded
Single core 677
Multi core 6974
Cinebench 3375
Metal 51587

Mac Pro 2019 base
Single core 1031
Multi core 8016
Cinebench 3941
Metal 41634

I am very happy with Metal. Affinity suite makes good use of it.


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That's a very misleading chart.

Putting the scores of Geekbench and Cinebench (in two different releases, no less) on the same scale makes no sense.

And importantly, it conceals one key factor: that jump in single-core performance looks small, but it's actually 52%. All your computing operations are at least 52% faster.
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The 4800U is 15W TDP, but the 4900HS is 35W and the 4900H is 45W.

I think a mac mini with AMD 4900H APU would be quite appealing, but Apple doesn't seem to want to touch AMD processors. I'm not sure why that is. (Perhaps they have an exclusivity agreement with Intel??)

First of all, that 4900H only started shipping two days ago. We're finally seeing some benchmarks, where it's identical with the 9980HK in single-core, but does beat it in multi-core by 15%. But it's also clocked 21% higher, so… uhhh… kind of a wash? Let's see how Comet Lake-H does in a few weeks.

Second, it could be a lot of things. For example, AMD might not be able to guarantee the level of volume Apple wants. No major OEM ships AMD as default; a few ship it as an option, but it's not like Apple is the odd one out here by not going AMD.
 
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That's nice they lowered the price of the storage a little, but we were hoping for an update. A used iMac Pro is a better buy than a fully spec'd mini.
 
Well that'll make it easier once I have to buy a new Mac Mini a year or two from now (like once my 2012 quad-core Mini starts failing or it's been over a year since it's been unable to run the latest MacOS), provided I have a decent source of income (like one of the I.T. jobs I recently applied for.) I can get the 6-core i5 with a 1 TB SSD for $1300, and that would be because I would buy it with the stock 8 GB of RAM and later upgrade it myself to 16 or 32 GB for a noticeably lower cost than getting the RAM upgrade from Apple (I checked the website, and it still uses user-replaceable RAM; no doubt it's easier in manufacturing the logic boards with that.)
 
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Who says they have to stick with the same socket?

The "B-series" CPUs that Apple uses for the Mac Mini are desktop chips designed by Intel to better fit in more streamlined cases (like the Mini). Since that is a rather niche market, Intel does not always release a "B-series" with each generation.
 
Glad to see the mini is still alive. I'm typing this on my late 2012 mini which is still going strong and does everything I need it to do but I know sooner or later I'll be forced to upgrade one way or the other. I'd probably think about picking up one of these in normal times but in light of the current crisis and predictions of it lasting well into late next year I have decided to curtail all but essential spending until the future outlook is better.
 
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Glad to see the mini is still alive. I'm typing this on my late 2012 mini which is still going strong and does everything I need it to do but I know sooner or later I'll be forced to upgrade one way or the other. I'd probably think about picking up one of these in normal times but in light of the current crisis and predictions of it lasting well into late next year I have decided to curtail all but essential spending until the future outlook is better.

Yep, same with my late 2012 Mini. But I will need to get a new Mac laptop first, since I am still using a late 2009 polycarbonate unibody MacBook when I am on the go, and since it'll only support up to MacOS 10.13 High Sierra, that will need to be replaced first (but I will still probably keep that 2009 MacBook for running 32-bit apps on), probably with one of the new MacBook Airs.
 
You realise that's a worse chip than what's in the current i5 Mac mini, right? Maybe the iGPU is better, but the rest is much worse. You can add an eGPU. You can't add extra RAM capacity or CPU power.

I would go as far as saying that the i5-8259U is on par with the i5 8500B (i7-8559U being faster than the i5 8500B)
inside the Mac Mini and definitely faster than the i3 8100B. So it only gets beaten by the top of the line i7 and only in CPU benchmarks.

I wouldn't call that "much worse".
 
Glad to see the mini is still alive. I'm typing this on my late 2012 mini which is still going strong and does everything I need it to do but I know sooner or later I'll be forced to upgrade one way or the other. I'd probably think about picking up one of these in normal times but in light of the current crisis and predictions of it lasting well into late next year I have decided to curtail all but essential spending until the future outlook is better.
The world will not end anytime soon despite what you see on the news LOL. It’s always good to have savings though so if your current mini is doing the job perfectly then no need to upgrade.
 
I would go as far as saying that the i5-8259U is on par with the i5 8500B (i7-8559U being faster than the i5 8500B)
inside the Mac Mini and definitely faster than the i3 8100B. So it only gets beaten by the top of the line i7 and only in CPU benchmarks.

I wouldn't call that "much worse".
It’s a CPU from the same series, with fewer, slower cores, less cache, a much slower bus speed, support for half as much, slower RAM.

How exactly do you imagine it’s going to be “on par”?
 
Intel never released a 9th Generation CPU using the socket the Mac Mini uses and not sure they have announced a 10th Generation in the socket so you can "thank" Intel for their being no CPU/iGPU upgrades at this time.

What a lame argument. It would be easy for Apple to request a "B" model 9th gen CPU for the Mac Mini. They have a strong market power.

At least 9th gen chips have hardware mitigation against some Meltdown variants. 8th gen has none of these. So both Intel and Apple keep selling us these outdated chips at a rather premium price tag.
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It’s a CPU from the same series, with fewer, slower cores, less cache, a much slower bus speed, support for half as much, slower RAM.

How exactly do you imagine it’s going to be “on par”?

Just take a look at i7 7700K vs. i5 9600K benchmarks. They are also on par, because 4+4 core vs. 6 cores. The i5 8500B lacks hyperthreading.

C'mon, 2400Mhz vs. 2666Mhz RAM, 1-2MB cache...what difference does that make? I have never seen this make any difference except around the P4 area or some odd Celerons that had no L3 Cache at all.

Besides, noone wants a CPU upgrade from the same generation. I would like to see a i7-1068G7 inside the Mac Mini. Now that would be an upgrade! But of course, some people might still want more threads so we're not going to see that. Guess, we have to wait for Comet Lake-S. But Come Lake also comes with UHD graphics so ... meh.

Mac Mini looks like a bad buy to me until we see desktop class Ice Lake or Tiger Lake CPUs.
 
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Yes they could, but then this forum will be full of (lame?) complaints about how the price went up to cover the cost of a low-volume custom CPU.
People on the forums will complain regardless of what Apple does. This is why Apple makes products based on what people buy rather than what people say in the forums ;)
 
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I would go as far as saying that the i5-8259U is on par with the i5 8500B (i7-8559U being faster than the i5 8500B)
inside the Mac Mini and definitely faster than the i3 8100B. So it only gets beaten by the top of the line i7 and only in CPU benchmarks.

I wouldn't call that "much worse".

Except that the B has more than twice the thermals. It'll work much better under sustained loads.

The 8559U also costs almost thrice as much. Your argument seems to be that Apple should substitute it on the low end, which clearly doesn't make economical sense.
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At least 9th gen chips have hardware mitigation against some Meltdown variants. 8th gen has none of these. So both Intel and Apple keep selling us these outdated chips at a rather premium price tag.

Yes, Coffee Lake Refresh has mitigations. But a suitable Coffee Lake Refresh CPU doesn't exist, so that argument is moot.

Intel might make a CPU for it again with Comet Lake.
 
I’m not picking on you, this is for everyone out here wishing for s*** that isn’t going to happen.

Apple is not going to move to AMD...let it go!

If Intel wasn't giving me IBM G5 vibes with bad upgrade schedules and if Apple didn't seem to love AMD graphics I would also rule it out as a pipe dream.

Really I just want a better Mac Mini with better graphics, I really don't care what company makes the chip, but right now Intel has been stumbling and seems to be dropping the high end internal GPUs that Apple liked to use which either means Apple doesn't care anymore or that Intel is making Apple angry. And heck the answer could be a new in-house A14Z processor or something. I just can't imagine Apple is as happy with Intel as they have been in the past.
 
Just take a look at i7 7700K vs. i5 9600K benchmarks.
Those CPUs are 2 generations and nearly 2 years apart.

The two you suggested are from the same series, and released at the same time.

Besides, noone wants a CPU upgrade from the same generation.
Then why did you suggest they use a worse CPU than what they already use, from the same generation as they already use?

I would like to see a i7-1068G7 inside the Mac Mini. Now that would be an upgrade!
... From what? Are you suggesting it's an upgrade over the current i5 or the current i7? Because again: fewer, slower cores. Yes it's 2 generations newer, but it's a much lower power part.
 
Given you can connect Macbook Air to the tv, is there a real advantage of buying Mac Mini now over MacBook Air?
 
Given you can connect Macbook Air to the tv, is there a real advantage of buying Mac Mini now over MacBook Air?
That doesn't even make sense because they're two totally different computers. Is there an advantage over buying a MacBook Air over an iMac, or a MacBook Pro? I got it you can do the same things with both but one is a portable computer with a screen while the other is a desktop meant to stay on your desk.
 
Those CPUs are 2 generations and nearly 2 years apart.

The two you suggested are from the same series, and released at the same time.


Then why did you suggest they use a worse CPU than what they already use, from the same generation as they already use?


... From what? Are you suggesting it's an upgrade over the current i5 or the current i7? Because again: fewer, slower cores. Yes it's 2 generations new


You don't really seem to get my point.

i7 7700K and i5 9600K might in theory be (by Intel's marketing nomenclature) "two generations" apart. But they literally have the same IPC. Advantage i5: Meltdown fix and soldered heatspreader.

My point therefore is: 6 cores are on par with 4+4 cores. Clockspeeds are roughly the same, probably even leaning more towards the i5.

Since the i5 8500B (6 cores) and the i5 8209U (4+4 cores) have the same IPC they will roughly be on par with each other (i5 8209U at a disadvantage because of lower clock speeds, ok, take the i7 8559U then) and even more so the i7 1068G7 that actually does have significantly higher IPC and better graphics so this one really would be an upgrade compared to the i5 8500B and the i3. I would chose this one anytime over the i7 8700B despite having fewer cores because the overall package is better (GPU, IPC, Spectre+Meltdown fixes, WiFi 6, Thunderbolt integration).

Cache, RAM... what difference does that make? In the end most of these chips come out of the same factory with the only differentiator being the socket and TDP and some tweaks here and there (a few Mhz higher RAM clock, bits more Cache). "Low power CPU" is meaningless as you can easily up the TDP.

The i7 8559U scales well with TDP. In these Intel NUCs you can set the TDP as you like and you are only constrained if you leave it at very low TDP, like 15W. But at 28W or even higher, thinks look very different (if you have enough cooling, but no issues here with the Mac Mini).

Just think about it: The freshly released MacBook Air can drive the Apple XDR display, but the MacMini cannot.
 
Just think about it: The freshly released MacBook Air can drive the Apple XDR display, but the MacMini cannot.

I'm pretty sure if someone can afford 6k for an XDR display they can afford the few hundred for an eGPU. The mini didn't get a refresh yet. They're probably waiting for Intel to release a desktop CPU that is comparable to what's currently in it now.
 
You don't really seem to get my point.
Your point so far seems to be listing random Intel CPUs that made different trade offs, because ignoring how those trade offs would have affected the overall machine.

Cache, RAM... what difference does that make?

Well the i5-8259U and i7-8559U you suggested both top out at 32GB. If you can't understand how supporting less RAM is worse, I can't help you.
 
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Just think about it: The freshly released MacBook Air can drive the Apple XDR display, but the MacMini cannot.
The iMac Pro with AMD Vega GPUs also can't drive the XDR. Is a Macbook Air CPU better than a Xeon and a Vega GPU?

The MacBook Air received a new systemboard as part of the CPU upgrade so Apple was able to upgrade to a Titan Ridge TB3 controller which is required to drive the Pro Display XDR at native 6K. The Mac Mini and iMac Pro are still on their original systemboards (due to no CPU upgrade option from Intel) so they are still using Alpine Ridge TB3 controllers and those can only drive the XDR at 5K.

The rumor mill says the iMac Pro will get a CPU upgrade this Fall (now that Intel released a CPU upgrade option) so the Late 2020 iMac Pro will get a new systemboard and Titan Ridge. Once Intel has a CPU upgrade option for the Mac Mini, it too will get a new systemboard with Titan Ridge.
 
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