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Glad to see that you factored in the Operating System, Included Software and Overall Design.

My work computer is a Dell Latitude D820. It is absolute rubbish, and that line is meant to be above the Inspiron. Awful design. Windows sucks (admittedly it is XP, but people seem to be preferring that over Vista!) so much. Hibernating/Suspend is very hit and miss. Wireless appears tacked on. Screen has a dead pixel in the centre. The keyboard lettering is poor - transfers. That's an 8 week old computer.

Another one who's blinded by his objectivity... I was talking about hardware !

As for the rest, you're absolutely right : Dell laptops are absolute crap, they don't work and they're ugly. In fact, Mac only has all the qualifications, PC suck all the way round. That's actually why 95% of the Earth population actually uses a PC by the way. We stupid folks like ugly things that don't work.

So install OS X on the Dell

I'm going to on my old PC.

Way to go dude.

But you'll be missing this beatiful aluminium design only enlightened connoisseurs like those on this board can understand.
 
Try it before you knock it. My machine is 100% compatible under 10.4 and 10.5 and ive only had one kernel panic in about ten months. And I was the cause of the kernel panic. If the hardware is chosen specifically for the application at hand, it's really a piece of cake to get running.

Apple computers are about 80% marketing and 20% OS X. Its all Intel hardware, same stuff thats in the Dells. Its just you people pay more for it. All that said, look at my sig before flaming.

i have no idea about hacintoshs. but the >>Asus P5K>C2D E6600@3.8GHz is strange. how can you have 3.8GHz?:confused:

also you say you don't support piracy. does that mean you can install OS X from the original DVD or do you need a hacked version from a bit torrent site?

what about OS X updates? are they working or do you have to tweak that every time a software update is out?
 
Another one who's blinded by his objectivity... I was talking about hardware !

...and you're missing the point. It's not just about the hardware, it's about the hardware and software. Who cares about the hardware if it doesn't even function properly?
 
Another one who's blinded by his objectivity... I was talking about hardware !

That's actually why 95% of the Earth population actually uses a PC by the way. We stupid folks like ugly things that don't work.

I think you mean 95% of the world population, that use computers, may use a pc
 
Let's be fair. Let's compare a Macbook with a Dell.

Macbook, first price : 1,099 $.

Processor : Intel Core 2 Duo (2.0GHz)
Hard drive : 80 GB
Memory : 1 GB
Optical : combo drive (NO burning).
Display : 13.3 inch
Video : Intel Graphics Media Accelerator X3100
Weight : 5.0 pds

Dell, 1,024 $ : Inspiron 1420

Processor : Intel Core 2 Duo (2.2GHz)
Hard drive : 160 GB
Memory : 2 GB
Optical : CD/DVD burner
Display : 14.1 inch
Video : Intel Graphics Media Accelerator X3100
Weight : 5.39 pds

Please, make your own conclusions.

Macbook:
Mac OS X

Dell:
Windows

Every Brand has to have highs and lows...
 
Seems that the MBP will have the 160GB 7200rpm drive as *base* because I was told this like the 4200RPM 200Gb drive is not going to be a purchasable option in... 10 hours time!

Right, I'm off to cancel my order!

I just ordered a Macbook Pro two days ago so I had to check this out (especially since I ordered the 160GB 7200rpm upgrade for £150)... Your speculation above isn't true. They are still offering the 120GB 5200rpm as *base* standard. There are just different upgrade options after that. Oh well, too bad because I was going to try and go for a £150 refund!! That would have helped...
 
Way to go dude.

But you'll be missing this beatiful aluminium design only enlightened connoisseurs like those on this board can understand.

Ugh. If you like Apple products as you claim then why are you making sarcastic statements such as this? It seems, as you are also new to this site, that you are a Windows user who is getting their jollies out of trolling an Apple fan forum. If that is the case, than you're just wasting everyone's time. If it is not, please enlighten us as to why Windows hardware is superior enough to warrant this unnecessary tirade.
 
Let's pretend Dell and Apple use the same manufacturers. In this case, I'm doing Apple a favour, since we know it's been using some corean second-rate hardware for years (check the apple cinema display for instance). And also, Apple is known to hide the brand of its hardware. On the contrary, PC manufacturers, especially Dell, practice the glasnost policy. Ever tried to get the brand of your optical drive on your Macbook ? See what i mean then.

As for the other factors, please, be serious. Can you imagine someone choosing Apple over Dell just because it has a longer battery life ?

You can't pretend. This is real life. Battery life is not the be all end all of features, but yes it does matter. I didn't say that Apple is using better components, I am simply stating that making a blind comparison based on "specs" is not adequate when doing hardware comparisions.
 
Last time I used osx86 it stunk.
No video drivers and you can't patch.

Try it before you knock it. My machine is 100% compatible under 10.4 and 10.5 and ive only had one kernel panic in about ten months. And I was the cause of the kernel panic. If the hardware is chosen specifically for the application at hand, it's really a piece of cake to get running.

Apple computers are about 80% marketing and 20% OS X. Its all Intel hardware, same stuff thats in the Dells. Its just you people pay more for it. All that said, look at my sig before flaming.
 
Further, if anything were to happen, such as a device failure, there is no phone or tech support that may help you beyond what you are able to fix.
I beg to differ. There is a growing OS X86 community. I realize this is not the same as commercial support, however... The folks that actually do this are not your average consumer.


Also, beige boxes are just ugly. The aesthetics and beauty of Apple products due in large part to industrial designer Jonathan Ive is a large reason why Apple products are superior. I'd take my aluminum display, keyboard and Mac Pro with fewer wires and "eye sores" over a beige box (or even a Lian-Li aluminum tower, which is as close to any thing decent in the after market computer supply industry as you can get).

My "Hacintosh" IS in an Ives designed case and my keyboard is an Apple keyboard. My monitor is an Acer, but I don't think the ACD's are worth it. I do agree though, with the exception if LianLi stuff, most cases are ugly.
 
...and you're missing the point. It's not just about the hardware, it's about the hardware and software. Who cares about the hardware if it doesn't even function properly?

Looks like you've been completely brainwashed by those Apple commercials.

Apple is just a totalitarian company who wants to control everything. Their policy with iTunes or iPhone is a fine example. Their stupid comemrcials comparing Macs to PCs illustrate their sectarian spirit.

You can't pretend. This is real life. Battery life is not the be all end all of features, but yes it does matter. I didn't say that Apple is using better components, I am simply stating that making a blind comparison based on "specs" is not adequate when doing hardware comparisions.

At least I tried to do one. You know what they say : "critique is easy, art is difficult". Go and check their components, I'll wait !
 
My "Hacintosh" IS in an Ives designed case and my keyboard is an Apple keyboard. My monitor is an Acer, but I don't think the ACD's are worth it. I do agree though, with the exception if LianLi stuff, most cases are ugly.

Wow, so you took an older Mac case and used it. Color me impressed. That's actually not a bad idea, in the end, it sort of IS a Mac (well, it would be if your motherboard and chipset were Intel). But you're still missing my point ;) lol.
 
Another one who's blinded by his objectivity... I was talking about hardware !

As for the rest, you're absolutely right : Dell laptops are absolute crap, they don't work and they're ugly. In fact, Mac only has all the qualifications, PC suck all the way round. That's actually why 95% of the Earth population actually uses a PC by the way. We stupid folks like ugly things that don't work.

A computer without an OS or software is rather pointless. For a packaged product, you consider more than the hardware. Many people consider a computer a tool, but if you use it more than a couple of hours a day you should be prepared to get the best tool for the job in terms of ergonomics and usability. A kitchen knife makes a bad screwdriver, but plenty of people will use one for that purpose.

Simply put, most people are making a mistake unless they want to play games, or they're really really poor (in which case a computer is the least of their worries really, put down the credit card dear).

People use PCs because Macs used to be rather rubbish machines in the mid 90s, and arguably have only become good in the past 5 years.
 
trust in capitalism?

Exchange rates have little or nothing to do with retail pricing. Otherwise, retail prices would be in a constant state of flux. Import tariffs and other import costs have a much greater impact.... In the end, it's best to just not worry about what people are paying for goods in other countries because there is nothing you can do about it anyway.
This is a pretty bleak assessment of a fairly depressing state of affairs though isn't it?

The major input into the price fluctuation is tarifs and duties that the average consumer has no way of knowing much about.

We have to take it on faith more or less that companies are being honest about the "increased cost of business" in country A, B, or C. History has shown that companies behave mostly dishonestly when it comes to things like this. Most of them see their role as being "the business of making money" rather than consumer service after all.

In Canada for instance we have been paying between 15 and 30 percent more for American products for at least 20 or 30 years based primarily on the idea that their dollar was worth a bit more. Now *our* dollar is worth more, but not only is there not a huge drop in prices, there is virtually no drop at all. Most of the American companies that have been contacted about this by price activists in Canada have explicitly stated that they do not anticipate any price reductions at all, period.

The Canadian economy is robust and doing about a hundred times better than the American one (almost literally). We have low taxes, no debt, a far far lower low deficit (trillions lower), and an economic and taxation system almost indistinguishable from the US in most key areas, yet we pay 20 percent more on everything? :confused:

There may be many different reasons for price differences and some of them are of course going to be valid, but considering that the consumer is working with a virtual vacuum of information, the US companies are almost certainly just taking advantage of them.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that if there is a way of charging more for the product and if no one is actually watching (i.e. - the consumer has no realistic way of verifying what contributes to the price structure) ... then capitalist ideology almost demands that these companies rob the foreign consumers blind.

I am reasonably certain that they do. :)
 
LOL no kidding. Buck up, people. I do video editing on a G4/1GHz Powerbook. Cry me a freaking river.

Back in the day I had to use PINE MAIL (anyone remember this) on a terminal emulator.

ROFL!

Yes I do remember. :(

I am getting the first of three MacBooks next week then identifying if it suitable for my needs and then getting two more for employees. This update addressed all of my concerns.

Yes the next one will be better. . . . . some day . . . . .
This one is better NOW.

Rocketman
 
Looks like you've been completely brainwashed by those Apple commercials.

Apple is just a totalitarian company who wants to control everything. Their policy with iTunes or iPhone is a fine example. Their stupid comemrcials comparing Macs to PCs illustrate their sectarian spirit.

Ok, so you're trolling this site. Let's call a spade a spade.

First, I am not "brainwashed". I still use Windows systems, and there are some pro's to them, so I can play this devil's advocate game with you. While there are things about Apple, Inc. I take issue with (such as closing the iPhone off to third party applications), it is a company just as Dell and Microsoft are companies: they are in the industry to make money. Otherwise, companies would fail and consumers might have less choices in what OS or car or phone they own. Apple isn't perfect just as Microsoft isn't perfect, perfection doesn't exist. Near perfection, maybe.

However, writing off our points as being "brainwashed" Apple Kool-Aid drinkers just brushed off any solid arguments you might have had. Debating can be done in a mature manner, so if you have an actual point let's debate it, I am open to any thing. I can easily debate with someone who fully supports Apple as I can with someone who fully supports Dell or Microsoft.

The issue here is that you haven't brought much to the table other than listing various price points for a Dell lap top, stating you like Apple, then making comments that slam Apple. You're sounding more like a Politician than someone who wants to have a serious discussion. If you're trolling, I'm simply adding you to my ignore list, if you want to discuss something rationally, then I'm all eyes, fingers and keyboard.
 
A computer without an OS or software is rather pointless. People use PCs because Macs used to be rather rubbish machines in the mid 90s, and arguably have only become good in the past 5 years.

Well, have you ever seen a PC without any software in it ??? I sincerely didn't. Of course, it all depends on the brand : HP gives much more than Asus I guess. But still. Go see for yourself. You get all the things that exist in iLife. Except Garage band maybe : but we're not supposed to be musicians when we buy a Mac ?

On the other hand, did you ever see someone using anything else than Microsoft Office - which is NOT free - on a Mac, for a serious work ???
 
As for Vista not having a "blue screen of death" or that "legend", sorry to tell yeah, but XP is much more stable than Vista currently, and XP isn't that stable as it is.

My first Vista experience was at Future Shop, distracted on my way to the Macbooks by a top-of-the-line HP notebook: "Ooh, Vista! Lets see if it's as bad as they say" open some apps, surf a few sites, park the browser on the Apple site (heh)... Let's try this 3D "cycle-thru-open-apps" thing... underwhelming. Let's try it again with a whole lot of explorer and browser windows open, and a blank Excel spreadsheet, and a couple blank Notepad windows... Frozen. Solid.

Less than five minutes.

Moved on to ogle the MBPs, but I haven't bought yet. I've been ogling for a year now... :(
 
I can't tell you about specific sites, but I can warn you against LaCie. This is one of the few things about Apple I dislike, and that is the apparent support for LaCie external HDD's. I have seen numerous, and I mean NUMEROUS, LaCie drives fail. They have to be one of the most unstable HDD manufacturers I have ever experienced.

Personally, I would get a Western Digital drive, making certain if it is an internal drive, such as a slave drive for a Mac Pro, that it is Serial ATA. Otherwise, FireWire 800 is the best way to go for an external drive (and I don't know why Apple seems to be dropping FireWire 800 support for FireWire 400, although at least machines still have "a" FireWire 800 port). I also believe Mac's ship with Western Digital drives.

Lol, this is funny for one big reason.

I used to have the same experience with Lacie. I had about 4 lacie drives bought over the course of 2-3 years... Slowly over time, I thought of moving from the brand because 3 of the 4 drives had failed on me.... Instead I figured I'd go buy IDE versions of my reliable SATA seagates I have in my mac pro and replace the drives in the Lacie enclosures. Save some money and keep all my external cases the same look.

Well, as I start replacing drives I decided to migrate the smaller drive that was still running into one of the older firewire400 only cases...

This is when I discovered that all three of the older drives that filed were Western Digital. The one drive that was still running was a Seagate.

Just FYI. I was nearly ready to abandon Lacie before this discovery.
 
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