Apple Users Underwhelmed by iPhone 13 and Apple Watch Series 7, Survey Shows

toobravetosave said:
I bet it'll be on the 14 if not then I'll keep waiting but considering every other product they offer is usb-c I doubt it'll take as long as pigs flying
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It raises the question as to why Apple didn’t make the jump to USB-C years ago if they were planning to do that rather than moving to a port-less wireless device. For many people, USB-C is a negative as it renders all their lightning connectors obsolete. Would have been ideal to introduce it with the X or perhaps the 5G iPhone 12 line up to make it easier to adjust to.
 
ss2cire said:
So I have an iPhone Xs Max and Apple Watch Series 6. If i were upgrading my watch from say S4 then I'd be ok with getting a 7. Upgrade from Xs Pro Max to iPhone 13 Pro Max is definitely worth it, as with the watch though, if I had a 12 I don't think it'd be worth it.
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Also came from a XS Max to a 13 Pro Max.
Was a bit of an adjustment to the flat sides and significant extra weight, but what a phone. I can’t imagine feeling a need to upgrade this for 3-5 years.
 
tonyisit said:
So I am guessing you are using the 13?
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Yes I am. I was unhappy with Verizon, so I moved to AT&T. As part of the deal, they gave me money for my old iPhone 12 and I got the 13 pretty much for free. Would I had paid full price for it? Nope, not worth it.
 
I lost my 12 Pro on a hike a few months ago. WELP. So, I got an 8. Wow, the battery life totally SUCKS. I am so happy to be receiving my 13 Pro Max with 1 TB in the next few days. Worrying about battery life is a form of daily first world torture. Anybody know what the average battery life is for the top of the line 13 PRo Maxes?
 
Piggie said:
You have to wonder, what will the situation be like in another 10 years?
Can't really imagine there would be any upgrade around then that could mean anything much.
Normal people won't really every need a new phone unless their old one breaks.

Perhaps we'll be doing this upgrading with headsets by then?
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In 10 years there will be.
There will be 6G phones (which hopefully are noticeably better than LTE). The notch will be gone, there may well be multiple forms of biometric identification. WiFi7. Probably a lighter and thinner phone with somewhat better battery life and a faster processor. Another 10 years of even incremental camera upgrades should matter (perhaps electronic zoom as good as todays optical zoom, who knows). More RAM, and (I suspect) the ability to wirelessly dock with computer and use your phone as your primary computing device. Will be a port-less phone, possibly chargeable at a distance using midfield and farfield. Perhaps the ability to recognize gestures/intent of fingers not yet touching the screen, and scary good AI assistant.
That said all this will take time. If you just got a 12 or 13, you’ll be able to enjoy it for years and not worry too much.
 
Not surprising, it’s barely an incremental update and the market is saturated. People aren’t putting down that kind of money for a slightly updated camera, which seems to be Apple’s only major focus the last 4-5 refreshes. I feel like 75% of a new iPhone’s page at Apple.com focuses on the camera with 25% on other minor tweaks spun up as revolutionary design.
 
DFP1989 said:
It’s almost certainly a marketing thing. Calling out the phone as being only moderately iterative by staying on the same number doesn’t sell as many phones as rolling it up one.
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Originally, the S models were about similar form factor but higher speed, with Apple moving in a 2 year tick tock cycle. In the past half decade this has become a 3 year cycle (6, 6S and 7/6SS then X, XS and 11/XSS), but the incremental upgrades weren’t usually about speed anymore. At this point, it’s becoming a mature product. I’d just drop the name and refer to the iPhone by model year.
 
kaycrystal626 said:
Need USB-C, 10X optical zoom, higher than 12MP photos! Then I will be excited.
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i have other phones (Android) that have features iPhones dont.

Under screen fingerprint usually works (not always).
Under screen front cam is rubbish quality in Oppo. no use at all - washed out.
Apple's image quality and processing and night modes leave larger pixel sensors for dead. It's not always about pixel count. Everyone I showed snaps to who and has seen the macro and bog standard photos, no processing tweaks, has said how great they look compared to their phones.
 
Arbuthnott said:
There's a small weakness in your argument. If these things are selling so badly, how come Apple's bottom line? Get back to us when you have figured that out.
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Bottom line is not what we should figure out. It’s apple’s job to figure out. Plus, “bad” is pretty subjective word. Sold 900 million phone last year and 850 million phone this year is “bad”, but how bad this is? I don’t think it is as bad as you might think.
 
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I REALLY wanted one this year. Still on my 7s, my 2nd iPhone. i will see if i can hold off till the 14, if a new battery helps the constant need charging. Only draw to the 13 is that great camera!
 
femike said:
Minimum to make me upgrade:
No notch- bring back the bezels then, I prefer bezels over the notch
USB-C
Fingerprint reader - not on the power button
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not a fan of the notch either but it's been around for ages.
you look past it most times. there's enough other tech though to upgrade from what you must be using... 8? 7? 6?
hopefully one day notch will go.
 
so far I'm really liking my first ever iPhone, Mini ... does a couple things that my Androids cannot do, remote control elec.chair whill; but man that notch is so annoying 😜
 
mikeyteh said:
I'll file this one under "no ****." The iPhone 13 was such a modest update in an "S" year, it was the first time I have ever skipped an annual upgrade since the 3GS
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Exactly.

If you're on an iPhone 12 the iPhone 13 isn't really for you.

Ditto for every N+1 or N+s model upgrade since the 4s. That's really the last time i recall a significant worthwhile difference from generation to generation (and i've been an iPhone user since the 3G).

Sure, its better, but if you want to have a decent improvement, actually use the device for its intended life-cycle of 2-3 plus years.
 
The only people who find the 13 Pro a modest upgrade don’t own a 13 Pro. It’s a much larger leap from the 12 Pro than the 12 Pro was from the 11 Pro which nobody complained about. Seems like some people think exterior design changes make for an ‘exciting’ upgrade. Meanwhile, everything that actually matters using the device was quite substantially improved in the 13 Pro over the 12 Pro: Display with ProMotion, Battery life, Performance especially with the GPU, and cameras. The 12 Pro didn’t really improve measurably on anything over the 11 Pro other than the 12 Pro Max’s sensor shift stabilizer and a flat edge design.
 
JustAnotherOpinion said:
It raises the question as to why Apple didn’t make the jump to USB-C years ago if they were planning to do that rather than moving to a port-less wireless device. For many people, USB-C is a negative as it renders all their lightning connectors obsolete. Would have been ideal to introduce it with the X or perhaps the 5G iPhone 12 line up to make it easier to adjust to.
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I think they didn't for the exact reason you stated. A lot of people would get upset that the lightning devices they have wouldn't work. Once they perfect MagSafe with faster speeds, I believe they are gearing up for no ports on the iPhone. If that is their plan, it makes no sense to switch to USB-C for a couple of years. I know I would be peeved if I was forced to replace my lightning devices with USB-C ones only to have my next phone after that not even have USB-C. So if they are going to make a switch, please only do it once. If they plan to still have an external port for the next decade, then I agree, they need to switch to USB-C quick but again, I don't see it.
 
Loving my 13 Pro and my wife loves her 13 Mini. Cameras, battery, displays, cellular modems are all exceptional. Sure if you have a 12 it might not be much of a reason to upgrade but boy was it a change from a 6S.
 
Mick-Mac said:
Yep - that about sums it up for me too. I was going to finally upgrade my iPhone 6s to an iPhone mini but the camera "bump" (which is now more like a mountain instead of a molehill) has crossed my threshold of just way too stupid big. I'm a little scared Apple will form the conclusion the mini isn't worth their while when in fact it's just that they haven't made it acceptably good enough yet (for me anyway). And with the watch - just not enough focus on battery life. I really don't use any of the health/fitness features so I'm just after the basics but with a *much* better battery life. Really, one miserable day of battery life for a watch is just a joke.
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I don’t understand…you charge your phone everyday, easy to charge the Watch. It IS NOT a watch. It’s a computer that tells time, among many other useful tasks. Sorry you don’t find those useful to you, but the trade off to having a watch I can workout with to monitor heart rate, calories, a watch that can take an EKG, a watch that I can answer and make phone calls with, answer and receive text messages and emails with, a watch I can stream music from offers enough features to that I don’t mind charging daily. It’s a very small trade off.
 
Altivec88 said:
I think they didn't for the exact reason you stated. A lot of people would get upset that the lightning devices they have wouldn't work. Once they perfect MagSafe with faster speeds, I believe they are gearing up for no ports on the iPhone. If that is their plan, it makes no sense to switch to USB-C for a couple of years. I know I would be peeved if I was forced to replace my lightning devices with USB-C ones only to have my next phone after that not even have USB-C. So if they are going to make a switch, please only do it once. If they plan to still have an external port for the next decade, then I agree, they need to switch to USB-C quick but again, I don't see it.
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They didn't because they get to charge for mfi and lock people into lightning cables it's about money nothing more
 
Upgraded to iPhone 13 Mini from iPhone 12 Pro! Just loving it for portability and the camera are the same but no telephoto lens. Only 4GB not 6GB of RAM and less screen brightness . Less weight too!
 
Shirasaki said:
So, ok, let me see what’s the giant leap between iPhone XS Max and iPhone 13 pro max:
1. Better processor (given)
2. Better camera (maybe?)
3. Fancy modes attached to the new camera. (Umm, ok…)
4. Better battery life (ok)
5. Faster “Wireless charging” (not a big fan for me)
6. 1TB of storage (good, but silly as upgrade reason)
7. 5G (good, but not compelling enough for me)
8. 120Hz display (umm, ok…)

Umm sorry. I spent quite a few minutes without looking up specs trying to think about reasons that matters to me, and I struggle to find enough to persuade me upgrading.
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I upgraded from a XS Max due to running out of storage. Now that I have a 13 PM, I appreciate a lot of those things. Battery is crazy good. ProMotion is nice. Cameras are noticeably better. Ironically, the design is worse. I’ve gotten used to it, but I think I’d be happier with the 13 PM internals with a 6.5in screen, with a rounded body like the XS Max (and lower weight).
 
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