Apple Vision Pro Customer Interest Dying Down at Some Retail Stores

[doelcm82]

> I often consume movies and tv alone in my room.

So do I. But that experience can be shared, unlike with the AVP.

You have that backwards. With the AVP, I could call up other AVP users and they could join me in consuming movies and TV while I remain physically alone in my room.

If I want to share watching media with others in my household, I can go to the living room or the media room and watch on the screens there.

> AVP is no more isolating than watching Silo on an iPad or a Laptop.

When you're using an iPad or laptop, anyone around you can see what you're seeing. With a VisioPro everyone sees a guy wearing a goofy headset but they don't see any of the cool stuff you experience. Aside from the creepy outward-facing screen, you're totally isolated from everyone and they from you, much more so than when you're just wearing headphones, for example. And the process required for them to demo the product is way too fiddly and time consuming.

I was still talking about being alone in my room.

If I’m using it around other people, I can choose whether I see the room around me or a more isolating environment. And with that environment I can choose to have people who approach appear through that environment. The phrase “totally isolated” doesn’t mean what you think it means.

> As for traveling, the AVP is heavy and bulky, but no bulkier than a Meta Quest 3.

True, but that product's optimized for gaming. The AVP is not.

As I said, it depends on your priorities. I own a Meta Quest 3 also, but I don’t think I’d be waving those controllers around on a flight.

 

[sunny5]

I just disproved your point by showing they are upgrading their iOS to make them work better by upgrading them with the AVP feature, which means they are supporting AVP. As for AVP only, most will take months to build, and I would not expect a lot of them out every week.

iPadOS disproved your point as it still requires iPad only apps. Beside people expect to use AVP with its own apps, not just iOS and iPadOS apps. is that why Apple dramatically decrease the shipping for AVP from 800K to 400K? Even developers dont wanna develop apps for AVP and you will see it as it lacks killer apps which means brining iOS/iPadOS apps will NOT solve the problem and it's proven.

Clearly, you never used AVP.

 

[Amazing Iceman]

I often consume movies and tv alone in my room. AVP is no more isolating than watching Silo on an iPad or a Laptop.

I do have a big TV in the living room for watching Bluey or My Hero Academia with my kids.

One thing AVP allows now that it didn’t at launch is you can watch media with other people who also have AVP but are in different locations. You can sit in a virtual theater with 1 to five other people. You look to your side and you see them (or their spatial personas), and they can look back at you. They can talk over the movie. You get the seat with the best view of the screen, of course. But from their perspective, they have the best seat.

As for traveling, the AVP is heavy and bulky, but no bulkier than a Meta Quest 3. You can buy a case for a Meta Quest 3, and the AVP will fit in it. That’s what I did, for about 1/8 the price of Apple’s marshmallow case. That may still be too much bulk for you, but it depends on your priorities. I haven’t flown with it (I’m a million-miler with only one flight in the past decade), but some who have say they’ll never again take a long flight without it.

Try this case, it’s very compact and if you arrange it correctly, you can fit:
• AVP
• Battery with cable
• 30000mA external battery
• 60W charger with cable
• Foldable Keyboard
• Apple Mouse
• Cleaning cloth

 

[spazzcat]

iPadOS disproved your point as it still requires iPad only apps. Beside people expect to use AVP with its own apps, not just iOS and iPadOS apps. is that why Apple dramatically decrease the shipping for AVP from 800K to 400K? Even developers dont wanna develop apps for AVP and you will see it as it lacks killer apps which means brining iOS/iPadOS apps will NOT solve the problem and it's proven.

Clearly, you never used AVP.

Expect the same app with a binary bundle for iOS, iPadOS, AppleTV, Apple Watch, & AVP, all with features that work on different platforms.

 

[spazzcat]

iPadOS disproved your point as it still requires iPad only apps. Beside people expect to use AVP with its own apps, not just iOS and iPadOS apps. is that why Apple dramatically decrease the shipping for AVP from 800K to 400K? Even developers dont wanna develop apps for AVP and you will see it as it lacks killer apps which means brining iOS/iPadOS apps will NOT solve the problem and it's proven.

Clearly, you never used AVP.

We have no idea of many units Apple built or shipped.

 

[sunny5]

Expect the same app with a binary bundle for iOS, iPadOS, AppleTV, Apple Watch, & AVP, all with features that work on different platforms.

Same binary has nothing to do with it. You still need a specific app for specific device. This is why mobile apps usually dont support Mac. Beside, you def need AVP apps as it works differently. Like I said, why do you need AVP when mobile apps from iOS/iPadOS also works on iPhone and iPad? You keep failing to justify that point which disprove your point. If those mobile apps works on AVP, then there is NO REASON to use AVP.

We have no idea of many units Apple built or shipped.

At least way less than 400K in total especially since there are some users returned AVP.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Those who don't currently own or have previously owned an AVP have no grounds to criticize; they are just repeating what others have said, which could be true or false.

No, that’s a fallacious argument. The issues with the device are evident without even having to put it on. Furthermore it’s presumptuous to assume that no one critical of the device has tried one.

 

[UK-MacAddict]

Selling a device worth £500 at £3500 is just stupid.

Also there is no market for this device from any manufacturer not just Apple.

Pretty much certain this won’t see a second generation and will be canned by next year.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Selling a device worth £500 at £3500 is just stupid.

Also there is no market for this device from any manufacturer not just Apple.

Pretty much certain this won’t see a second generation and will be canned by next year.

Hard to say. They have a lot invested in it. I’d expect them to roll out one or two more versions before they abandon it. That assumption is based on Apple’s typical product cycle. They probably have two more in deep development right now, so if they cancel it today there’ll still be one or two more in the pipeline.

 

[doelcm82]

Hard to say. They have a lot invested in it. I’d expect them to roll out one or two more versions before they abandon it. That assumption is based on Apple’s typical product cycle. They probably have two more in deep development right now, so if they cancel it today there’ll still be one or two more in the pipeline.

That seems more like you're giving yourself an out in case Apple unveils a new version in a year or so.

Are you expecting Apple to release whatever they managed to design from the car project since they had so much invested in it?

Anything they have in deep development is not ready to ship. If they cancel they'll stop work on those. And what if they do release a new, better, cheaper version that they had in the pipeline, and it turns out to be a hit? Will they say, well, there's one more coming, but we canceled the whole thing back in '24, so enjoy it while you can?

I'd like to see updates to MacOS, so that individual apps and windows can be rendered by AVP, and so that eye and finger gestures can interact with what's on the Mac screen. I'd like to see more interaction with iPad OS and iOS. I'd like to be able to answer phone calls or check voice mail from within Vision OS.

I don't know what to actually expect from WWDC, but it might be telling if Apple announces more features and integration. Or if they hardly mention the Vision Pro. Look! AI!

 

[Surf Monkey]

That seems more like you're giving yourself an out in case Apple unveils a new version in a year or so.

Are you expecting Apple to release whatever they managed to design from the car project since they had so much invested in it?

Anything they have in deep development is not ready to ship. If they cancel they'll stop work on those. And what if they do release a new, better, cheaper version that they had in the pipeline, and it turns out to be a hit? Will they say, well, there's one more coming, but we canceled the whole thing back in '24, so enjoy it while you can?

I'd like to see updates to MacOS, so that individual apps and windows can be rendered by AVP, and so that eye and finger gestures can interact with what's on the Mac screen. I'd like to see more interaction with iPad OS and iOS. I'd like to be able to answer phone calls or check voice mail from within Vision OS.

I don't know what to actually expect from WWDC, but it might be telling if Apple announces more features and integration. Or if they hardly mention the Vision Pro. Look! AI!

An out? Why would I want to give myself an out? I think the device is an abject failure and should be canned right now.

 

[doelcm82]

An out? Why would I want to give myself an out? I think the device is an abject failure and should be canned right now.

And yet you’re predicting that Apple will release two more models.

 

[Surf Monkey]

And yet you’re predicting that Apple will release two more models.

I’m not staking my reputation on it. I’m just saying that it’s likely Apple has at least one more version of the device in development, that having brought it to market they are likely to stick with it for at least one hardware update and maybe two. I’m not saying it’s right. I’m not saying I want that. I’m just pointing out that this is how they tend to operate. If it were me I’d cancel it post haste. But I’m not a multi billion dollar computer and consumer electronics company with a board of directors to satisfy and a reputation to defend.

 

[doelcm82]

I’m not staking my reputation on it. I’m just saying that it’s likely Apple has at least one more version of the device in development, that having brought it to market they are likely to stick with it for at least one hardware update and maybe two. I’m not saying it’s right. I’m not saying I want that. I’m just pointing out that this is how they tend to operate. If it were me I’d cancel it post haste. But I’m not a multi billion dollar computer and consumer electronics company with a board of directors to satisfy and a reputation to defend.

I haven't seen good evidence that Apple tends to operate the way you say.

The reason I called it an "out" for you is that it lets you greet the next iteration by saying "See, I told you they would release another version. This is PROOF that I was right about them canceling the product line!" And a third iteration will be even more proof.

 

[Surf Monkey]

I haven't seen good evidence that Apple tends to operate the way you say.

The reason I called it an "out" for you is that it lets you greet the next iteration by saying "See, I told you they would release another version. This is PROOF that I was right about them canceling the product line!" And a third iteration will be even more proof.

I don’t care if I’m right about it or not. The actual issue is that the Vision already failed. How long Apple chooses to keep it on life support is purely academic.

 

[maxoakland]

I thought it would probably be a flop but I think it’s flopping even harder than I expected. People not even having interest in demoing the device is extreme

 

[doelcm82]

I don’t care if I’m right about it or not. The actual issue is that the Vision already failed. How long Apple chooses to keep it on life support is purely academic.

Three years? Five years? Fifteen?

 

[Luis Ortega]

So much Apple hate here, yet you love to hangout at a website for Apple users. It sounds to me like you are dying in envy because you can’t afford it. Or your Android devices and websites don’t keep you entertained enough that you come to hangout here and repeat empty comments made by others like you who don’t own an Apple device but think they know it all.

lol…nice bloated sig line there, my friend.
Thanks for proving my point with your personal attacks.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Three years? Five years? Fifteen?

I said what I have to say about it.

 

[Antoniosmalakia]

I haven't seen good evidence that Apple tends to operate the way you say.

The reason I called it an "out" for you is that it lets you greet the next iteration by saying "See, I told you they would release another version. This is PROOF that I was right about them canceling the product line!" And a third iteration will be even more proof.

The butterfly keyboard is a good example/evidence that Apple operates that way.

They didn't just admit defeat and ditch it, even though it was failing (a lot) and many people didn't like it. They revised the design slightly several times, sticking with the chassis of the MacBooks in question for 4 years.

 

[doelcm82]

The butterfly keyboard is a good example/evidence that Apple operates that way.

They didn't just admit defeat and ditch it, even though it was failing (a lot) and many people didn't like it. They revised the design slightly several times, sticking with the chassis of the MacBooks in question for 4 years.

I don't see that as the same at all. Surf_monkey is suggesting that Apple will give up on the AVP soon or has already done so, but will continue to produce it and even bring out one or two versions, because they're already in the pipeline.

With the butterfly keyboard, Apple had NOT given up on it. They tweaked it to try and make it better, because it helped them make their laptops thinner and lighter.

 

[Surf Monkey]

I don't see that as the same at all. Surf_monkey is suggesting that Apple will give up on the AVP soon or has already done so, but will continue to produce it and even bring out one or two versions, because they're already in the pipeline.

With the butterfly keyboard, Apple had NOT given up on it. They tweaked it to try and make it better, because it helped them make their laptops thinner and lighter.

Why are you so obsessed with a passing comment? You’re trying to hold me to account for something that was just casual speculation. So you disagree. Great! Disagree away. But this weird, extended campaign you appear to be on to discredit a comment I’m not even especially committed to? It’s inappropriate.

 

[doelcm82]

Why are you so obsessed with a passing comment? You’re trying to hold me to account for something that was just casual speculation. So you disagree. Great! Disagree away. But this weird, extended campaign you appear to be on to discredit a comment I’m not even especially committed to? It’s inappropriate.

I disagreed with your idea of how Apple operates, and I said why. Now you say you don't really think that very strongly. I'm satisfied.

Someone else apparently wanted to continue the conversation.

 

[tornadowrangler]

Selling a device worth £500 at £3500 is just stupid.

Also there is no market for this device from any manufacturer not just Apple.

Pretty much certain this won’t see a second generation and will be canned by next year.

I think if they treat it like a niche product for specific use-cases instead of a general computing device for everyone, they can make it work. They could pivot to make it a gaming/media device (and buy a gaming company to produce the games for it), or make a version that just functions as a external monitor for a Mac.

In my opinion, it's the whole "spatial computing" angle they are pushing that is the main problem.

 

[Surf Monkey]

I disagreed with your idea of how Apple operates, and I said why. Now you say you don't really think that very strongly. I'm satisfied.

Someone else apparently wanted to continue the conversation.

Well, I’d happily provide some examples of Apple products that were allowed to fester and die over several generations when an instant cancel would have been a better choice. But again, I’m just speculating like everyone else and not especially invested in this particular point. The over arching point is more important: Vision failed. Badly and dramatically.