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I don’t feel like a clear case that protects your phone, lets you use one of its features, and lets you see the color you picked out instead of hiding it qualifies someone as smug.
Having a clear case isn't being smug, but your reason for wanting a clear case might be.
A product that cost more than what the majority of people make in a month or two (starting out) is definitely gonna bring out the smug ones. Check out the Vision Pro forums on here and see some of it yourself.
Nice large TVs can cost as much as the VP, do you also feel people who buy them are being smug?
As for people walking around in public with it on I guarantee you see that, day one even. Some to try and prove that it isn’t this vehicle to isolate us all even further, others to let you know they spent close to if not more than $4000 for their space goggles.
Yep, there will be people using them in public.
 
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Initially I felt it was too overpriced for me. But slowly it’s growing on me. Especially looking forward to 3D videos. Have started saving for it already. 🤑

I'm still on the fence. Also put the money aside already, and I am most interested in seeing 3D movies just not sure that is worth the asking price. I know myself, and after a few months it would probably just sit on a shelf unless the movies are that immersive.
 
It’s a word in use in English.
The fact that Apple puts it in uppercase indicates that it is not the generic meaning of “persona”, but a special Apple meaning. “Finder”, “home”, “safari”, “shortcuts”, “spotlight”, and so on are also English words, but you still have to learn what they mean in the Apple context.
 
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The fact that Apple puts it in uppercase indicates that it is not the generic meaning of “persona”, but a special Apple meaning. “Finder”, “home”, “safari”, “shortcuts”, “spotlight”, and so on are also English words, but you still have to learn what they mean in the Apple context.
They’re using it to mean what it actually means 🤷‍♀️
 
This product really has the wow factor. I’m quite impressed. Unfortunately won’t be able to order it since I live in the EU and also I will wait for future generations to purchase one.
 
The fact that Apple puts it in uppercase indicates that it is not the generic meaning of “persona”, but a special Apple meaning. “Finder”, “home”, “safari”, “shortcuts”, “spotlight”, and so on are also English words, but you still have to learn what they mean in the Apple context.
"Persona" is also a non-generic and often capitalized term in the UI and UX world.

We all had to learn what Multitouch, and all the Multitouch-related terms, meant the first time we heard them regarding smartphones. Lots of new features required and will still require new terms so I'm not sure why 'Persona' would be a bridge too far. It's a realistic Memoji, how hard is that.
 
This is one of those products that seems to have tremendous amounts of potential that it may never live up to. There are very few times that companies “reinvent” a way of doing things that catches on and works. I just can’t see people wanting to wear these bulky devices on their sweaty foreheads for hours at a time to work or watch movies. I sometimes feel like I’m tethered to my computer as it is let alone to be completely enveloped by the thing.

But, still, it does look promising and I’m excited to see what it has to offer.
 
It sounds good enough, but I feel like it's something I'd get tired of messing with after a week and never touch it again.
My feelings exactly. I think it will have a real high “gee wiz” factor when you first use it. But will it hold up as a useful device in the long run?
 
I think his point is correct then. It's not 'spatial computing', it's just floating iPad screens in VR.



How do you be productive with this thing? If you have to talk to it, it's not appropriate for an office. If you have to use a keyboard, then it's just a $3500 monitor for one person with less than 2 hours battery life that you still need a mac for. If you're just using it to scroll through photos, or make facetime calls, then it's less useful or versatile than a mac or an iPhone.

Your praise for the iPad is based on it being a productivity machine, rather than an eReader. But so far no one online or any developers have announced an actual use for this thing that isn't better served by existing devices or traditional monitors. Apple will never get to an endgame product if the first (and subsequent) iterations fail because no one can figure out what to do with it in its current design.
I suppose we have to define what spatial computing is. Mere “floating iPad screens” can probably be defined as spatial computing at a base level as long as they utilize 3D space in some way. Even just that offers simple but functional things, like allowing the unconscious subtle movement of the head to give the user an accurate knowledge about the arrangement of multiple layers of screens, a function that is clunkier to replicate on a bordered 2D computer screen often resulting in layers getting lost.
But I think an iPad screen can be defined as spatial computing at a higher level if it utilizes actual objects in physical space, contextualizing it to the real spatial world.
An even higher level definition would be virtual 3D objects and effects, especially ones that map to the real spatial world (eg. a real post-it note on a tack board virtually lighting up at a certain time as a reminder), and environments (eg. touring a potential new apartment).
But much of our information we deal with is text which is 2D, so text will always be “iPad screens” that sometimes will and sometimes won’t be useful to put into 3D space. If one is simply reading a book, it won’t add any value to do so with spatial computing (unless one just wants to use the headset as an HUD so one doesn’t have to hold the book).

Th VP definitely has its limitations that it needs to improve on, such as short battery life. But at its base, it literally opens up a new dimension of computing. To me it seems hard to imagine how that can’t at least be potentially useful. Of course not for everyone in every situation. But for me, as someone who often works on the go and needs as much screen real estate as possible, it already serves a big purpose. Anything else will be bonus.
 
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The scrolling gesture in the first video seems a bit suspect to me! Imagine sitting on a train, wearing a Vision Pro (if anyone would do such a thing), and scrolling down a long Safari page. Fellow commuters would be wondering what kind of smut you were watching! 😆
 
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I know what that smugness is. A good example could be iPhone cases that have open circles over the Apple logo. Heck, even the free stickers feel kind of smug. But I just don’t see it here. Apple’s been very careful not to market Vision Pro as exclusive to the wealthy. They did a good job burying the first Apple Watch Edition. Further, Vision Pro is going to be an at-home and non-optical product. Are people going to be jerks and wear them at the grocery store? Maybe. But that’s them and I just don’t think it’s fair to say that’s her.
I admit I will be judgy if I see people wearing this walking around at the grocery store. A mixed reality headset should not be used on the move, so they would either be showing off or exposing that they’re so addicted to content that they have to misuse a device so that they can always be looking at content. They could theoretically do the latter with HUD glasses, which is still not great if feeding an addiction, but at least that wouldn't be misusing a device, plus I wouldn’t know if they’re actually looking at content (as opposed to a VP which there would be no reason to wear if not looking at some form of content).
 
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Having a clear case isn't being smug, but your reason for wanting a clear case might be.

Nice large TVs can cost as much as the VP, do you also feel people who buy them are being smug?
I think using a clear case to see for example my red iPhone just means I want to see my red iPhone because I’m a sucker for red things. If the case was like lined with gold or something on the edges maybe I could see that as an example.

I get the analogy that is constantly used about the tvs also, but the person that is buying this likely already has a big expensive tv or monitor to begin with. Also there’s definitely the case with the TVs that because of their quality they will last quite a long time and if you can afford to get it since the long run you may actually save money. I have grandparents with an incredible tv but it has the key difference of you know, more than one person can gather around it and see it.

I don’t think too many people are going to be gathering around your headset and watching the Super Bowl.
 
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This system can’t be reduced to the size of glasses. That requires a completely different approach. Something like this:

Wow that’s pretty cool. Gonna have to look more into how that works but it seems like it is just the HUD system for now, and it doesn’t actually include any AR/VR functionality yet. Is that right?
 
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I think using a clear case to see for example my red iPhone just means I want to see my red iPhone because I’m a sucker for red things. If the case was like lined with gold or something on the edges maybe I could see that as an example.

I get the analogy that is constantly used about the tvs also, but the person that is buying this likely already has a big expensive tv or monitor to begin with. Also there’s definitely the case with the TVs that because of their quality they will last quite a long time and if you can afford to get it since the long run you may actually save money. I have grandparents with an incredible tv but it has the key difference of you know, more than one person can gather around it and see it.

I don’t think too many people are going to be gathering around your headset and watching the Super Bowl.
Is the point you’re making that the VP has some sort of innate smugness or that most people who buy it will be smug? That’s actually how a lot of people see Apple users in general, or Tesla owners. Of course expensive things (and inexpensive things from brands perceived to always be expensive) will bring about smugness in people who are prone to smugness, that’s obvious. But that’s not a knock on the device itself. It doesn’t have smugness built in. It’s just like any other Apple product (unless you think all Apple products are smug) but more complex than most therefore more expensive than most.

It seems you moved onto a different point about it not being a social device. Not every device is meant to be gathered around. That’s not its purpose. It offers other functions that can only be experienced alone or not at all, at least with current technology, plus some functions that can optionally be experienced with others. But I don’t know why the fact that it offers both should disqualify it from existing.
 
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I think using a clear case to see for example my red iPhone just means I want to see my red iPhone because I’m a sucker for red things. If the case was like lined with gold or something on the edges maybe I could see that as an example.
Exactly, which is why a clear case is not a clear case of being smug.
I get the analogy that is constantly used about the tvs also, but the person that is buying this likely already has a big expensive tv or monitor to begin with.
Doesn't matter. Does simply owning an expensive TV, VisionPro, or something else nice but expensive make you smug?
Also there’s definitely the case with the TVs that because of their quality they will last quite a long time and if you can afford to get it since the long run you may actually save money. I have grandparents with an incredible tv but it has the key difference of you know, more than one person can gather around it and see it.

I don’t think too many people are going to be gathering around your headset and watching the Super Bowl.
So one person with an expensive TV is smug, but a family with an expensive TV isn't? If you watch the TV by yourself you are smug, but if you invite people over to watch your expensive TV you aren't? Seems like displaying your expensive TV to others is closer to being smug than no one ever knowing you have an expensive TV.
 
For a device that supposedly should be more intuitive to use, I think they are overcomplicating things for normal users with that Persona concept. I get that they are doing this because the 3D rendering of your head/eyes won’t quite look like the real you, so it’s your “Persona” rather than just you, but I think that’s a distinction a regular user doesn’t need to be confronted with by a confusing new term during setup. They should just say something like “your face is going to be captured so it can be used in video calls and on the front display”.
If someone doesn’t understand what a persona is, perhaps they shouldn’t be spending $3500 on a VR headset. 🤓
 
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