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Apple Vision Pro Onboarding Videos Unearthed in visionOS Beta 6
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hmm no. I feel like the difference with this over other Apple products is, they either didn’t care to eat the cost of R&D and whatnot overtime because they aren’t sure this will even be a success, or they are just seeing if they can get away with it.
I was actually one of the people that scoffed at a price of $2500 when analyst said it could cost “as much as” believing that was a really stupid move. Even when Apple makes an expensive product they typically have a less expensive version (watch, Macs etc) and I was thinking back to their last major product reveal of iPad, and analyst believing it would cost $1k+ when it cost half that starting out.
Jobs was even very proud of that and made it a big part of the reveal presentation. Apple when they revealed this and the price I almost felt like they wanted to go starting at *cough* $3499 *cough*. So when I saw what it was, not as impressive as I’d originally imagined (honestly not sure what I was expecting) and it was $1000 over even the highest projection I just felt Apple lost the plot at that point.
The people that are looking forward to this, and there are few, have to usually do mental gymnastics to even convince themselves to buy it and use Apples dumbass buzz words when talking about it.
I also wonder how precise they'll be even for people with perfect finger coordination. All the videos make the gestures quite large - like they hold their fingers really far apart before and after pinching. I would hope to be able to keep my fingers in a lazy almost-touching position so they only move a few millimetres when pinching.
Don't worry. Apple and TC are not stupid, despite many of the beliefs here.
Apple is one of the most successful companies in the world with close to 1 Billion active customers who continue to purchase Apple products.
Apple has put more than a few minutes of thought and research into AR. It's been around for awhile in commercial/medical/etc disciplines. The problem is many people don't want to do even a wee bit of research into the subject and instead try really hard to come up with reasons why it will flop. The amount of time that goes into that would be better spent exercising one's imagination a bit conjuring possibilities.
Persona Enrollment.. this is 10X creepier than I ever would have imagined, hopefully this is optional
I have no doubt in my mind that AR is the future. At some point future generations will look back and wonder why people ever used glass slabs to do anything, like the kids berating Marty in BTTF2. Concept ideas for mobile phones in 2000 looked nothing like their eventual final form
I don't see gymnastics, I see people saying they will buy one because they want it.
Spot on...
I find it fascinating studying how people react to announcements of new and potentially groundbreaking tech. iPod, iPhone, Apple tablet, Watch, AirPods, etc. come to mind.
Some people will go out of their way and spend time looking for flaws and coming up with a dozen or so reasons why it will flop.
Other people will use the same amount of time letting their imaginations wander a bit conjuring a dozen or so possibilities of how it can be fruitfully used, solving problems and/or enhancing one's life.
Same amount of energy expended in both situations, but with much different outcomes.
An Ingmar Bergman film. Disturbingly relevant to the possibly darker side of the AVP.
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It’s AR. It’s still under development so they’re being kind of tight with information about it.
And there’s also these:
ELF-SR1 Spatial Reality Display - Sony Pro.
Changing the approach to visualizing content. Find out more.
This is a way to do “spatial computing” without the AR/VR element and without any kind of head gear.
One way or another, I suspect this is coming. It’s also what I look forward to, and personally I always felt Apple would be the one to bring us Her-like AR technology in the end.
Didn’t Microsoft have some demo of a device that interacted this way? Of course it never even made it to production. Apple’s laying the foundation of a new future, and even if some other device implements true AR-environment interaction first, it’ll eventually be “done right” on AVP, or at least more elegantly.
I think we’re simply still 3-7 years away from that level of AR. But hopefully AVP developers start pushing the envelope to bring it forth. AVP already interacts with the environment for lighting/shadows and audio reverberation, so the capability is there in a rudimentary state. It just requires imagination and actualization.
Hopefully future versions of visionOS surprise us. It’ll show us what Apple is really gonna build onto the AVP foundation. Ideally we’ll get things far more fascinating than recreating the Apple TV interface, or macOS functionality, or “widgets on the Home Screen.” Future visionOS updates shall bring us massive AR developments.
Playing Minecraft on a table through the iPhone screen a few years ago was cool … but when such things are demoed on AVP, they’ll be way more legit.
It’s only a matter of time before some developer makes an attempt at scifi-level environment interaction anyway.
This old saw again? The fact that Apple is large doesn’t guarantee success and your attempt to brush off valid criticism is pointless.
This is pretty cool … but I’d rather wait for a hologram, personally.It’s AR. It’s still under development so they’re being kind of tight with information about it.
And there’s also these:
ELF-SR1 Spatial Reality Display - Sony Pro.
Changing the approach to visualizing content. Find out more.pro.sony
This is a way to do “spatial computing” without the AR/VR element and without any kind of head gear.
I suspect we’ll have immersive AR/VR devices like AVP until holograms become viable.
With Sony’s tech, my concern is it’ll be as popular as 3D TVs… Some niche uses and interests, but fall by the wayside while immersive AR dominates, until something “truly superior to a screen” comes along.
Human beings have a strong INSTINCT against having things on their faces. This is the central problem with Vision Pro. It goes on your face.
The pointless Apple haters, on an Apple forum, are pretty obnoxious at this point.
I’ve done no mental gymnastics. Instead, AVP fills or excels at several use cases of mine.
For example, I love camping/overlanding. Of course to enjoy nature. But when it gets dark and the only thing I can do is make a fire, or go to sleep, or watch a movie … well now AVP provides the best movie experience one can imagine while traveling. This applies to hotels too, and of course planes as it demonstrated.
AVP is already a superior photo reviewing device, and I can’t wait until full-fledged photo editing comes to it.
I also can’t wait to use it for video editing, even if that still has to be run off a companion Mac — which was also demoed.
Apple literally demoed multiple of the use cases which real people want to experience.
You’re the one doing gymnastics to try to de-justify something 1) that people want and 2) which Apple has invested years and thousands of patents into.
I wonder how many petty opinions like yours simply derive from “icantafforditsoscrewit.” Because if these out-of-touch views are coming from people buying MBPs or Mac Studios or Mac Pros or luxury cars, well, the myopia and disregard for others is just sad.
Edit: Just to affirm how myopic the disdain is: Does no one realize that AVP is the legacy product that will eventually lead to the “ideal” reality of AR prescription-style glasses?
Drones likely started as behemoth expensive military products before turning into everyday toys. Many other innovations started as obscure and unobtainable niche devices, before trickling down into mainstream everyday products.
The inability to foresee where AVP leads and the other innovations it will serve as the foundation of is just emotional obstinance.
Thank God Apple doesn’t employ these people. The future would never exist with such views.
EDIT: The best thing IMO about seeing decipher's and SufrMonkey's pointless "haha" emojis, is that they make or support [incorrect and invalid] claims about people not wanting AVP or AVP being absolutely useless … and then someone like me comes along literally disproving them, but they have no response except mockery, because they know they're incorrect but can't handle it.
Due to the state of society, I’ve grown to enjoy disabusing narcissism of its delusions. It’s an acquired taste.
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The only valid criticism seems to be that it's expensive, but thats not valid for everyone.
In public, certainly.
In private, it’s barely different than putting headphones over one’s head.
In private, people put on crazy sticky facial masks for hours, or makeup.
And you think people aren’t going to put on a device that actually does something? Your disdain for AVP device is myopic and moronic.
Lots of people like skiers and scuba divers will happily spend all day wearing goggles because they enjoy what they are doing while wearing goggles.
Not the same in any respect. Vision Pro isn’t clear like goggles.
Yep.
I’m personally trying to discern how many of these absurdist comments are actually projections and the dressed-up sentiments of “I can’t afford it, so it’s stupid.”
It’s definitely more than 0, and probably more than a mature person wants to even imagine.
I’m not even sure why price is an issue, when Mac Studios and Mac Pros and MacBook Pros aren’t.
AVP is most certainly the beginning of the Vision product line which will eventually include cheaper Vision headsets. Apple simply took a different approach this time, starting at the high end instead of the low end (like they did with iPod, iPhone, iPad, and 1984 Mac). Maybe that’s what’s irking people.
But since Apple has billions of dollars to throw around, it makes sense to me they decided to put forth their best, instead of starting with a mass-market product. They only needed the mass-market approach while they were growing, like during the iPod and iPhone days.
Public, private, doesn’t matter. Human beings have evolved to reject things covering their faces.
Seeing as though most people here don't understand what AR is about, the problems it can solve, etc, people tend to rely on quick retorts as to why it will fail, rather than engaging in thoughtful analysis having the benefit of knowing what AR is about, it's history, etc. It's like the people who constantly reply "WRONG!" to anything and everything; in this case knowing nothing about AR, it's history, problems it solves, etc.
"The fact that Apple is large doesn’t guarantee success..."
Did someone here offer a guarantee? Is Apple perfect? Of course not. A successful 30 year track record does speak volumes, though. That's just an obvious and worthless throw-away phrase that can be applied to any endeavor.
Yes...there are no guarantees of success in life, or with companies. Time to move on from that hackneyed phrase.
The tell: comments start to be about other posters, not the substance of their posts.
