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Ballmer was not correct! Microsoft destroyed their smart phone and then Microsoft payed 11 Billion to buy Nokia's phones and destroyed their phones too! Where is Microsoft's smart phone today? My iPhone Pro Max costs a lot more than the original iPhone, more than twice as much! Let's not re-write history here just because you are biased against the Apple Vision Pro!


My comment was specifically regarding Ballmer laughing at the iPhone launch price and he was correct to do so as the price was reduced $200 (33% to 40%) in less than three months. The price was dropped even more the next year when the iPhone 3G came out. The price (both with 2 year AT&T contracts) for an 8GB iPhone went from $599 (original iPhone) to $199 (iPhone 3G) in one year.
 
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percentage wise its pretty much on par with other Apple Devices, but yep its not cheap. Worth getting though IMHO. I am waiting to make sure I actually like the thing.
Not even close. I bought a M3 max MacBook Pro a couple months ago for $4600. AppleCare is only $250 and the most expensive OOW repair is like $1400.
 
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Not even close. I bought a M3 max MacBook Pro a couple months ago for $4600. AppleCare is only $250 and the most expensive OOW repair is like $1400.
Sorry, close. Middle of the pack actually. apple to apple comparison. 1) AC+ is based on base unit cost. Your MBP M3 Max base is $3199 (nice upgrades btw), and the AC+ is $279 (facts matter)

so lets look at that percentage of device cost okay?

apple care + cost / device cost *100 = percent based on device cost.

MacBook Pro M3 Max $3199, 2 year AC+ for $279. 8.7%
Apple Watch Ultra 2 $799, 2 year for $99. 12.4%
Apple Vision Pro for $3499, 2 year AC+ for $499. 14.3%
iPod Pro 11 inch $799, 2 year AC for $129. 16.1%
iPhone 15 pro max for $1199, 2 year AC+ for $269. 22.4%

have a good day :)
 
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My comment was specifically regarding Ballmer laughing at the iPhone launch price and he was correct to do so as the price was reduced $200 (33% to 40%) in less than three months. The price was dropped even more the next year when the iPhone 3G came out. The price (both with 2 year AT&T contracts) for an 8GB iPhone went from $599 (original iPhone) to $199 (iPhone 3G) in one year.
Presumably the phone contract was much higher though to effectively claw back the discount?
 
As a thought experiment, lets multiply everything by 10 and imagine buying an Apple car for $35K.
  • $8K for a broken windshield is your cheapest repair.
  • Anything else (e.g., blown headlight) is $24K.
Ouch!

It feels like the pricing model is rigged to scare buyers into a monthly Applecare subscription.

In the car world that works out like this:
  • CarCare+ costs you $250 every month.
  • But even with CarCare+, any repair still costs you $3K.
You think they'd sell many cars?
 
Presumably the phone contract was much higher though to effectively claw back the discount?

The AT&T plan prices and contract requirement remained the same after the price reduction. The price reduction ticked off early adopters and Apple ended up giving $100 gift cards.
 
Those repairs cost exactly zero if you don't buy one.

Or, purchase one, act responsibly, and be a wee bit careful. It's really not that tough.

I've had iPhones since the 4 and now have the 15PM, and many iPads and laptops as well. I have yet to drop/damage one.

Seems many here plan on playing rugby with one.

Hark... the sky is falling, the sky is falling! Apple is mean!
 
No it's not.

2 yrs of AC+ at $499 is 14.26% of $3,499 Vision Pro price

3 yrs of AC+ is $169 for a $3,599 Mac Studio. That's only 4.70% of the price of the Mac Studio

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We can compare the price of AC+ coverage for portable device (Vision Pro) vs another portable device (MacBook Pro) if you'd like.

3 yrs of AC+ is $399 for a $3,499 MacBook Pro. While that's only 11.40% of the price of the MacBook Pro, you're getting 3 yrs vs 2 yrs with the Vision Pro.

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Why don’t you compare AppleCare price for base model price of each product. You very intentionally picked the ones you did to tell the story you wanted to tell. What percentage of a $999 iPhone 15 pro is $199? And the percentage goes down as you pick higher price points. So, not a simple story.

Also, do you think perhaps Apple factors in likelihood of accidental damage into the price? People are more likely to damage an iPhone or Vision Pro than they are an aluminum box that sits on a desk and basically never needs to move. I’d also say you’re far less likely to damage a MacBook than you are an iPhone. It’s almost like…maybe it makes sense.
 
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Sure, but what part are you most likely to break? The front glass right?

That is going to cost $800 regardless if you have AppleCare+ or not. The only difference is you paid $500 of that repair cost in advance.

The only way you come out on top with AppleCare+ is if you need to fix the glass more than once or somehow destroy the body/internals.
You also extend the limited warranty which can be incredibly helpful, but you knew that. And you can also extend monthly after the two years.
 
Not even close. I bought a M3 max MacBook Pro a couple months ago for $4600. AppleCare is only $250 and the most expensive OOW repair is like $1400.
You are comiparing a speced up model against the percentage for n entry-level Vision Pro, a totally disingenuous comparison. You’re also not factoring in likelihood of damaging the device, cost to repair or replace the device, etc.

everyone, stop comparing the AppleCare cost to device cost percentage between entry level models and specced up models!! There will still be variations, but I can guarantee you it’s not arbitrary
 
What really annoys me here is that quite a lot of people just accepts that business model that Apple is running. And generally the lack of consumer rights (mainly in US).

They don’t need to make the glass durable. They can just claim that you should have bought even more (AC+). They don’t need to make it easy to repair. There’s more profit in making it hard to repair. I am not talking about deliberately hitting whatever apple product with a sledgehammer or doing deep diving. I’m talking about every day minor accidents that can easily happen. I scratched my Apple Watch because my wrist bumped into a brick wall. A normal quality dumb watch at 1/5th of the AW price would not have done that.

I know it boils down to that companies are expected to deliver exponential growth. Hence every year they need to squeeze the lemon a bit more. It’s not enough to deliver the same profit as last year.
 
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