Well, she had no trouble navigating the GUI, unlike Patel from The Verge, who had a hard time selecting things with his eyes, and complained about almost everything.
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Apple Vision Pro Reviews and Unboxing Videos Shared Ahead of Launch
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Someone please try to detach the cable from the battery, it looks like it can be done with a push pin. I wonder what’s hiding on the other side of the cable.
After a full day toiling on the Vis Pro
In natural day to day activities you wouldn’t ordinarily focus on something that unnaturally close to your eyes, and blinking affects your focus, so thus leads to infrequent blinking, which can cause complications with your eyes, including dry eyes.
I’m not suggesting you’re dying or your eyes are going to fall out, but these things are real and shouldn’t be trivialised.
Of course, proper breaks and using eyedrops are great preventative measures. Just never underestimate how easily your eyes can be damaged! My partner had ‘dry eye’ and now has permanent scarring on his cornea!
Agreed. There’s nothing exciting about Vision Pro to me. It’s cool tech but it doesn’t feel exciting or inspiring. The use cases Apple has demoed so far often border on cringe. The woman packing her suitcase. I mean, really? It’s ridiculous. That’s the best they can do to get me excited about a new computing paradigm? The distracted business call as I pack my suitcase use case?
What strikes me most, though, is how AVP (and “spatial computing” in general…if it becomes popular) will likely cause more mental health issues, especially related to concentration and focus. The woman packing her suitcase should sit down and focus on her meeting. Right now she’s not giving her work full attention, nor is she fully paying attention to packing. She’ll likely forget to pack something essential just as she surely seems distracted and unfocused to her colleagues.
Turning one’s field of view into a giant heads up display will only further exacerbate the mental health issues, especially ones like ADD/ADHD, that current tech has already fueled.
Just watched the full review on The Verge's website. Seemed a very fair analysis based on what the product is currently. Some major leaps forward, with some big hurdles to overcome. And he for sure touched on productivity, in fact he praises the productivity aspects and even shows using it with a Mac and Universal Control/Continuity to seemlessly work with content between macOS and visionOS. It's pretty slick and I think one of the coolest features. I think the hair thing is in jest, but a computer watching everything your hands are doing while using it is a valid concern to some. If I'm using an AR/Spacial computer, I'd kind of expect it though.
Most of the pros and cons are what I expected, some things stuck out though:
Things that surprised me:
- How narrow the field of view is. I was expecting it to be better than the occulus, but seems that it is smaller.
- How crap the EyeSight displays are given how much Apple has been playing up the feature.
- How loud/how much spill there is from the built in speakers.
- That gesturing while using it causes accidental input/scrolling.
No one else seems to have addressed the field of view or the lenses, displays, etc. The screen-captured stuff in most of these videos also looks rough, it just doesn't attempt to replicate the physical limitations of the device and optics.
The focus distance of the Vision Pro screens is more distant than phones, tablets, and desktop monitors. Almost definitely somewhere in the 1 to 2 meter range.
You didn’t think you actually have to focus an inch in front of your eyes, did you? That’s why there are lenses between the screens and your eyes.
If focusing closely is bad for eye health, you should want people to use this instead of phones and tablets.
This is the future of computing. Be there or be square.
I was disappointed than none of the VR-focused media outlets got review units. That the Field of View was fairly low was obvious from the unveiling, as you can see the small lenses in photos and the AR model.
No one is “offended” by her inclusion - or at least I’m not, I cant speak for everyone.
This old “then don’t watch it” nonsense isn’t the point. No one is complaining that they are being made to watch iJustine. People are saying that her reviews don’t deserve to be included because they are crap. If MacRumors included HUNDREDS reviews, then I’d agree with you - why single her out? But they don’t. They feature a handful.
If people were jealous of her popularity and success, wouldn’t they have a problem with ALL the reviewers? Marques Brownlee is certainly more successful, and no one seems to have an issue with him, because his reviews are substantive. (Him, I’m jealous of!)
And if people happened to NOT like his reviews, would you argue they don’t like them because he’s black? Because I honestly don’t understand why you are having a difficult time taking people’s dislike of iJustine’s content at face value. I don’t think the underlying reason is gender. Otherwise everyone would also have a problem with Joanna Stern.
And by the way, I did initially mention a male reviewer I don’t care for, which is Brian Tong, and for much the same reasons I don’t like iJustine.
I don’t think Justine would be tired of her own career, I think she’d be tired of her own SHTICK by now. There’s a difference.
I’m going to leave it here, because as you say, you’re never going to be convinced. But to the many macrumors members who would prefer if she was excluded, I salute you, and I agree! Because like all of you, I’m jealous, I’m angry, I’m sexist, and those are the only possible explanations for disliking a female “reviewer!”
Kinda ironic it was sent to YouTube influencers while the avp doesn’t have a YouTube app. Gruber says the web version is not good with too tiny to focus on controls. Netflix.com was ok.
Hey folks buy this says the YouTuber only to lose views later as you buy a device that can’t view YouTube well.
It’s not make or break but this isn’t coming anytime soon.
Just read grubers review. He’s usually the one with some common sense. I liked his enthusiasm.
Both he and Tong had football and basketball going on with avp. But the real excitement will be immersion sports. But without decent YouTube or web support in safari that immersion content will be hard to find.
I see Justine on YouTube as a persona she does. People would probably say she’s not a techie. This is not true. She knows her stuff. She’s fully aware of what she’s doing, why she gets her views and who her audience is. You either like it or you don’t. I couldn’t stand the Barbie movie but others thought it was great.
Any of these reviews are just overviews and can be tough. They’re no templates. They are the first. It’s cool that Justine can still put her own spin on it.
I did walk away feeling comfortable on what the avp can do for now. And that’s the goal.
Yep, as I suspected, I feel no different now all the reviews are out.
Its interesting for a first gen product but there is still zero use-case for 99% of people.
I've never wanted or needed a VR headset in general and I don't see that changing for at least another 5 years. Even then, it'll be a stretch.
Its interesting for a first gen product but there is still zero use-case for 99% of people.
I've never wanted or needed a VR headset in general and I don't see that changing for at least another 5 years. Even then, it'll be a stretch.
I didn’t have a strong opinion but if I have to give my take, I’m guessing the quote means something like—you can always make things better, so if you wait until there’s nothing to criticize before you release it, then you’ll never release it. That makes sense to me, but their version is worded differently enough that I’m not really sure that’s what they mean.
But in any case, it’s just an opinion and not everyone is going to agree with or even be able to make sense of everyone else’s opinion, which is fine. But as far as forum rules go, I think they just want posts to always be constructive/additive to the conversation, or posed as a question to get clarification, or for people to just use the emoji reactions. That goes for short positive posts like “I agree” too, but it’s usually obvious why people agree so if those posts are removed there’s nothing really lost. It’s when people disagree that it’s usually interesting to hear why.
That’s definitely more than an unboxing. It reads a bit like a review of the latest Super Ultra Wide OLED 49” top of the line megabucks Gaming Monitor… sounds like an epic piece of kit, but it doesn’t really enable any truly new experiences and do I really want that monstrosity sitting on my desk ~2 feet from my face all day, every day?
We will see, surely someone is going to come up with a killer app.
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Zero use case?
Did you miss the giant video screen or immersive video?
The spatial windows? Giant Mac screen alongside?
I see the potential and use case quite easily. Now whether it’s worth wearing a weighty headset to do that or spend 4-5k on it is something else.
If version two can have the Mac built in. Be a bit lighter. Get rid of eyesight. Reduce below 3k. More content of course.
Wow. Again?
Your eyes focus and an effective distance of 6-8 feet inside a typical VR system. That means your eyes are focusing on a very narrow range for an extended period of time.
The impacts of screens on eye health are no secret. I don’t think playing dumb every time really accomplishes anything. I’m pretty sure you know why staring at a screen very close to your eyes for extended periods is bad.
I've stopped reading or viewing Apple's pre-approved reviews. I just feel that they can't be critical enough of the product flaws.
OH! I just realized what the problem is. She doesn't have a shtick. She's her. She's bubbly and excited by cool things. She's glass half full, not glass half empty. She's happy, not miserable. And that explains why everyone here can't stand her.
It’s a problem. You need to be focusing on things at least 20 feet away periodically. And no, phones and tablets are not the same at all since they don’t encompass your whole field of vision and you can easily glance around them without taking anything off.
In Tim Cook’s belt for convincing so many Apple faithful to empty their wallets for a device they have no real use for.
Maybe it could cause some mental health issues, maybe it could help with some mental health issues, probably depends on the applications used. Just a layman’s conjecture though, so it would definitely be good to see studies done at some point. But I expect the conclusion will fall somewhere under the generalization that devices are mere tools, and how/whether any tool affects our health is really determined by how we choose to use them—ie. properly or improperly.