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Apple Vision Pro Supports Virtual Typing, Navigation Through Hand Gestures and Eye Movements
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No no. I don’t mean you. I mean the fanboys. They’re easy to spot. Sorry. I didn’t mean to specifically implicate you.
Never said it was a good idea, just said it was promoted in the Apple promo videos.
Right. And it’s lame. It may work with a new iPhone but anyone who’s tried to use a camera to take a picture of a phone screen will know what the issue is. Having a phone screen, an array of cameras and two display screens in the AVP synch up refresh rates is likely an impossible task if you add in any non-Apple gear to the mix.
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Maybe you’ll be able to reskin it to look like a butterfly.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
Doesn't this product cannibalize a whole bunch of other Apple products?
Like, would you even need to wear an AW with the Googles (oops, goggles
Looking at your AW with the goggles, would it unlock invisible complications? Don't the goggles give you all the info that your AW, iPh, iPa, etc give you?
Strange times are upon us.
I think it COULD cannibalize other products. It looks like it COULD present virtual Watch (or Apple clock, grandfather clock, church tower clock), Mac, iPad and iPhone if Apple was wiling.
However, I agree with others that this is probably NOT something worn all the time... unlike watches. And while people will have talks with the open air (buds + phone) now, even if full iPhone functionality was virtualized within, it is probably more convenient to pull out a thin slab of always-with-you glass for iPhone functions than always carry Vpro to slip on for any phone uses. One fits in pockets... the other won't.
Etc.
To me, I THINK I see viable laptop replacement for some people. This + bluetooth keyboard + trackpad/mouse in laptop bag to be used like we use laptops now... that is, pull it out to do some work, put it away when done.
If it runs all iPad apps as we were told, it can run VOIP apps... which would give it phone and texting functionality for anyone. I already use an iPad as a stand-in for iPhone myself and that works just fine.
But my imagination just doesn't have (many?) people "living in it." I agree with most that it is much harder to see this being worn regularly in public... akin to something like Watch... and I'll be surprised if it ends up more popular in that way.
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Wow this is awesome! Pinch to draw/write looks uncomfortable though. I believe a better solution would be to draw with the top of your finger only.
This has SO MUCH potential I can’t wait.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
Doubtful. More like they KNOW some Apple people will buy Apple Air/Dirt/Poop if Apple boxed it... but they want the much larger world BEYOND us Apple people to buy this thing too. For that, marketers "name drop" things that broader world knows like Office instead of iWork... and Disney, etc.
We Apple people KNOW it will likely work with iWork, as they already claimed it will run iPad apps. The much bigger world needs to be stirred into being interested too.
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I guess I was the only one who noticed that in every demoed usage situation, the user was by themselves. Alone. Even when the guy was using it to take a spatial photo of 2 kids playing, he wasn't really there in the moment with them.
This device is not something that welcomes social interaction with others like when you have a big screen tv. If you have a get-together (e.g. BBQ) with family and/or friends, you can't watch a movie or sporting event (Super Bowl, World Cup) with them and share in the experience. Everything is done solo.
Vision Pro is perfect for those who are single/don't have any friends/want to be left alone.
Some of them are coherent, like Marques… He even disagrees with some ideas on Apple Vision.
I'm not sure that's necessarily going to be the case though. It might just be that it's hard to convey the social experience of using Vision Pro in a 2D video. I mean, a huge feature/cost of the device is the EyeSight screen on the outside, and that feature exists SOLELY to make this work well with other people around.
Skip to 1:28:30 or so in the keynote - there is a section about how it works when others are around. I think it actually could end up being pretty natural. I mean if you are talking to someone with ski goggles on, do you feel like they aren't "in the moment"? Given how much work they put into EyeSight, and how much cost it adds to the device, I suspect it's going to be pretty critical to the user experience. Maybe it won't work or be creepy, but I wouldn't make up your mind yet.
That’s the idea! You will be able to finally replace your mouse/trackpad though. Imagine selecting items literally by just looking at them. I’ve been dreaming of something like this for a long time (I hate using a mouse).
I’ve finished typing this comment. Imagine posting it by just looking at the “Post Reply” button. It’s going to be faster, more intuitive and overall very satisfying.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
I agree that VPro has the easy potential to socially withdraw some people. However, those people can withdraw now with the screens and computing devices we already have. How often has anyone heard the phrase "...lost in their <phone/tablet/computer>"?
Now redo those examples pre VPro...
I've generally been the "home movie" maker of life's events in my FAM. And generally, that's been standing back from them, holding camcorders or iDevices to capture moments... just like the guy in the demo but using a different kind of camera. I would be as "withdrawn" as the guy in that picture, as someone has to be the camera-person if you want to capture moments.
A benefit of doing it this new way than another is what Apple described as the 3D experience during playback (when we watch such "movies" later). I've seen some of this shot with other VR cameras and the immersion is impressive... much better than traditional home movie captures to ultimately watch on a 2D screen like a television.
I lean positive on this device mostly because I don't see it as something to "withdraw" (from life into?) but as a tool... just like a laptop can take our attention from the world while we do some work and then get put away when that work is done... or as that camcorder would come out to capture a few moments for the home movie and then get put away to step back into the vacation/life/etc.
I have near 0% perception that this ENTIRELY replaces ALL physical screens for anyone (though it seems like it COULD if Apple was willing). I think the vast majority of people will still have computer screens, phone screens, watch screens, iPad screens and TV screens. And of the latter, people with Vpro will still gather around their television to watch things together because that's a bigger experience than "gathering" over great distances to virtually watch something together... though THAT would be better than having no social experience at all because people are spread out over distances.
In short: I barely envision this popular(?) negative concept that Vpro people are just continuously "lost" behind Goggles. Instead, I imagine most/all pull them out like they pull out laptops or camcorders or phones and then put them away when done using that kind of tech... what fits the situation vs. doing only one thing (especially at all times).
Conceptually, for the TV thing, we could make a case that a computer screen, phone screen, etc can do the same: fully replace a need for a television. But we've had that ability for a LONG time now and I don't know many people without a television... and I know MANY people, rich and poor. If anything, a common gripe seems to be "we have too many screens in our lives" and I see this as simply another for some of us.
When TV came along, people in the movie business were frightened that customers would no longer want to go to the movies if they could simply watch "movies" at home. But we're not far from being a CENTURY into television and the movie business is still fine. People still gather and go to the movies to watch movies. People gather around the TV to watch movies. People sometimes gather around iDevice screens to watch movies. Now perhaps people living up to great distances apart might sometimes gather around a shared virtual screen to watch something together. That definitely would not be as good as getting together... but people living far apart can't easily/economically get together whenever they might like.
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HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
They can always be with you but I think by "stationary" you mean always in the same spot in the view... not left in the living room because you put it someplace in there and have since walked into the kitchen.
In what I know about this topic, stationary has desirability because you don't want the motion sickness effect as you naturally move a bit yourself. So just like a physical screen, it's a good benefit to be able to put a virtual screen in a spot and it seems to stay right in that spot.
However, in many demos of this kind of technology, moving virtual screens around is as easy as moving windows around on a screen... except you have a much larger screen that may wrap all around you. You just virtually take hold of it and put it where you want it. Then it can stay where you put it... until perhaps you decide you want it somewhere else around you. Then you move it there and it can stay there.
Think about your Mac desktop. You may have one window far left, another far right and something else in the middle. This should be the same... except now you could have open windows beyond the left edge of a physical screen... or even BEHIND you that you (could) turn around to see (or "swipe all" to rotate everything around to bring what was behind you out front)... or above or below you (as if you put a window above your head or down in your lap).
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To all that are complaining about the $3500, take another look at what is in this device. Basically it has the M2 chip and another custom processor. That's like having my 24" iMac built into the device, there is $1800 right there, actually better than my iMac. Then all the custom 4K OLED displays, optical sensors and custom OS to run it all. After seeing all the technology and research and development, I am surprise it doesn't cost more. This is a totally new platform and experience, not another $500 me too product. Who else but Apple has the expertise and financial resources to produce this amazing product?
Can I afford one? Not without putting a dent into my retirement. I am jealous of those who are young enough and wealthy enough to enjoy one of these. Hopefully #1 son will get one and I can try his.
Can I afford one? Not without putting a dent into my retirement. I am jealous of those who are young enough and wealthy enough to enjoy one of these. Hopefully #1 son will get one and I can try his.
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Haptics are important for "blind" ten-finger typing. It's very different from thumb-typing on an iPhone or iPad.
Nothing beats a physical keyboard for input control bandwidth.
People who like to draw want a stylus. Incidentally, that's use case for which the headset will be completely useless.
The same goes for yourself, though, by the way.
Definitely not something I'm interested in (not a gamer, too nerdy to advertise it this much), but I bet it would be a god-send for a quadriplegic.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
I was softly connecting to a past concept pitched by Jobs in reference to using iPhone... in response to the OP pointing out that THIS headset doesn't need physical devices in hands like other popular headsets to do things. I was in no way implying stylus is needed or not needed for THIS device.