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Yeah. It was awfully innovative to make a phone that explodes in your pocket or burns down your car or house. They were WAY ahead of Apple on that
Honestly, as much as I'd like to join-in on the kick-Sammy-fest, and as pretty-much an exclusive Apple-User (except for work) since 1976, I just CAN'T completely fault Sammy for having batteries with a higher-than-normal catastrophic failure rate (likely internal layer-layer short-circuiting), exacerbated by the high internal battery temperatures generated by fast-charging methods being used to offset the long charge times necessitated by having batteries nearly TWICE the capacity of those in the iPhone 7, but, due to the battery-hogging tendencies of the SoCs being used in the S7, only having a little LESS battery-life than the 7 Plus...

But, I hear that Qualcomm is working on a lower-power version of their SoCs; so that'll be nice and EVEN SLOWER than the one in the GN7, which got whipped-on by the SoC in the iPhone 7 and 7 Plus.

Meanwhile, the iPhone 8 Development is coming along nicely...
 
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Yeah. It was awfully innovative to make a phone that explodes in your pocket or burns down your car or house. They were WAY ahead of Apple on that one.

If you're going to repeat a dumb joke, at least get it right.

You see, before and after the Note 7, iPhones have done those things as well.

So you can be proud that Apple was likely first with exploding smartphones. Samsung just copied Apple and made theirs do it more often :D
 
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If you're going to repeat a dumb joke, at least get it right.

You see, before and after the Note 7, iPhones have done those things as well.

So you can be proud that Apple was likely first with exploding smartphones. Samsung just copied Apple and made theirs do it more often :D
However they added a flair of a world wide recall along with a US aircraft ban.:confused: So yeah, they did it better than Apple.
 
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Actually, Samsung did counter-sue and won. But guess what? Apple went asking Obama for help. Obama reversed Samsung's ITC win which would have banned Apple's iPhone.

It is no coincidence that Apple lost lawsuits everywhere, but in the US. In the UK, for instance, Apple was ordered to apologize to Samsung. In Germany, after obtaining an injunction on the Galaxy tab's with "doctored" evidence, Apple was defeated on every single account. So let's not pretend that Apple's victory was grounded on some sounding legal principle or impartial jury/judge system.

Yup. It's because in the US, Apple has the home ground advantage and there is no question of a fair trial because almost every decision will have a bias in favour of Apple

Not everybody has a case strong enough to win. As kdarling pointed out, apple has a case, even taking account the shenaningans of MIcrosoft and apple at the beginning. Here we are today and the only question is how much.
You can have a case and NOT sue. The Huawei Mate 9 Pro is an exact copy of the S7 Edge while the Google Pixel is also an exact copy of the iPhone 6 but you don't see Samsung sue Huawei or Apple suing Google now do you. Almost always the only company Apple sues is Samsung when their claims on Samsung are easily spotted in other manufacturers products.
Well the courts found otherwise, but I found it interesting about reaching beyond the ether, again.

Yup. Just like the slide to unlock and the skydrive case. Won on some technicality


Let's put this case in the UK or any other country where there is a fair amount of neutrality present. Apple has almost never won a case there though
 
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Actually, no.

If you take a glance at the picture at the top of the MR article, you should PLAINLY see that it doesn't take "an obscure section of the patent laws" to determine whether Samsung "...deliberately released a product intended to confuse the unwary consumer..."

I mean, it's similar to a company that starts releasing products in the same categories as Apple, using a corporate logo that is a sylized Apple, but without the iconic "bite", and calling themselves "!Apple" (a geek joke, meaning "NOT Apple").

But !Apple's products all run Windows 10 and Android. So they are CLEARLY "NOT Apple".

Should Apple be able to sue them successfully? What would YOUR arguments be, if you were APPLE's attorney? Now, what would your arguments be if you were !Apple's attorney?

Now, what would your decision be as the JUDGE? Was there an attempt to deceive? What damages, if any, are indicated?
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Anybody who actually takes a look at the new MBPs and concludes that the Mac is left on Autopilot, simply isn't paying attention.

The similarities between the two are equivalent to the differences between an iPhone 6 and an HTC One M7 or the Google Pixel and an iPhone 6

It's got a rectangular body with a glass screen on top.
 
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Good. Samsung *CLEARLY* copied Apple, and the best part is they're still doing it lol.

It's obvious to anyone with a set of eyes. Call me a fanyboy or whatever I don't really care at this point but it's freakin' obvious as it could possibly be that Sammy put the copy machine on full throttle with the iPhone.

Oh and while I'm here iPad too ha
 
If you're going to repeat a dumb joke, at least get it right.

You see, before and after the Note 7, iPhones have done those things as well.

So you can be proud that Apple was likely first with exploding smartphones. Samsung just copied Apple and made theirs do it more often :D

You seem to have missed the memo on failure rate.
 
If you're so tired and bored, then kindly take your Tired and Boring Microsoft Logo and

Leave!!!

Leave what? the thread? Well.... I had, until you posted this nonsense.

Leave the site? don't be childish, I am a fan of tech, with Microsoft being my favourite tech company.

You can be tired and bored with the same Samsung vs Apple case, but still appreciate the products both companies realse. Grow up.
 
Good. Samsung *CLEARLY* copied Apple, and the best part is they're still doing it lol.

It's obvious to anyone with a set of eyes. Call me a fanyboy or whatever I don't really care at this point but it's freakin' obvious as it could possibly be that Sammy put the copy machine on full throttle with the iPhone.

Oh and while I'm here iPad too ha

I will gladly hear you out on how Samsung copies Apple right now.

Samsung used to (key emphasis on used to) somewhat copy Apple back in 2010 but not anymore.In fact the tables have turned and now its Apple copying Samsung


Who compelled Apple to release a bigger phone? Samsung. The Note 2 was the first usable phablet on the planet. I still remember all the Samsung hate which started when Samsung came out with the first massive phablet. You would still be stuck on 4 had Samsung not kickstarted the big screen Revolution

Take a look at this

the-verge.jpg


Who forced Apple to adopt OLED? Samsung who has pioneered the technology since 2011

Who forced Apple to adopt a curved edge display in iPhone 8? Samsung

Who forced Apple to adopt wireless charging? Samsung

I ask anyone to prove to me how since 2011, how did Samsung copy Apple?
 
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I will gladly hear you out on how Samsung copies Apple right now.

Samsung used to (key emphasis on used to) somewhat copy Apple back in 2010 but not anymore.In fact the tables have turned and now its Apple copying Samsung


Who compelled Apple to release a bigger phone? Samsung. The Note 2 was the first usable phablet on the planet. I still remember all the Samsung hate which started when Samsung came out with the first massive phablet. You would still be stuck on 4 had Samsung not kickstarted the big screen Revolution

Take a look at this

the-verge.jpg


Who forced Apple to adopt OLED? Samsung who has pioneered the technology since 2011

Who forced Apple to adopt a curved edge display in iPhone 8? Samsung

Who forced Apple to adopt wireless charging? Samsung

I ask anyone to prove to me how since 2011, how did Samsung copy Apple?

What's funny is iPhones don't have OLED, curved edged displays or wireless charging in their phones, so your comment is completely null and void.
 
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I think every single manufacturer has stolen or will steal something from another company. He nailed it here.

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Every time I see this comment it's used out of context. A good indication of this is the fact it's not even Jobs' quote in the first place
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You have 8 months left to deny it.In the mean time,Apple is still copying competitors including Samsung

http://www.businessinsider.com/Appl...the-Samsung-playbook/articleshow/51534089.cms

Now about my orginal question,how is Samsung copying Apple since 2011?

You seem to be confusing technologies with ideas.

You can't copy a screen size. You can't copy 'using the same display technology'

And you really think Apple will use that crap they currently call "wireless charging" lol? Imagine if a requirement of Wi-Fi was to keep your computer touching the router to stay connected ha that's not 'wireless' aside from the the literal meaning of the word.
 
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They have. And the new MBP, iPhone 7 and iPad Pro, AirPods and the AppleTV are all MILES ahead of both the competition AND even their own previous version of those products.

But all Haters like you can do is whine, whine, WHINE!
Wrong. The Mac audience has entirely changed. A Mac was a long term investment and was purchased for the purpose of being a productive tool. I have a late 2009 iMac running macOS Sierra/OS X Snow Leopard and a PowerMac G5 running OS X Leopard/OS X Tiger. Both are still going strong and purchased as tools and serve that very purpose. The modern MacBook Pro is a shadow of the previous generation release. USB-C is limited and inflexible with the need to purchase third party docking solutions to achieve anything approaching productivity.
The last generation MacBook Pro had Thunderbolt and USB 3.0 which is the standard throughout the world and far more flexible.
The modern MacBook Pro is too thin with limited ventilation leading to overheating concerns which draws the question of Hardware longevity. A 2012 Retina MacBook Pros will no doubt outlive the latest generation because of this and to boot the older machines offer performance on par as the Sandy Bridge, Ivy Bridge and Haswell Chips all offered a high level of productivity. A 2012 Retina MacBook Pro running macOS Sierra is more flexible and productive than the modern MacBook Pro.
I could go on but suffice to say the older MacBook is a superior machine tenfold and that includes the non-Retina unibody model!
 
Anyone talking about rounded corners does not understand the comprehensive evidence in this case.

There is a ton of evidence against Samsung, and that's why Apple rightly won. In my mind there are three particularly damning pieces of evidence that came to light in the case:
  1. By far the worst in my opinion is the design presentation where Samsung management had hundreds of slides, with each slide showing a specific design feature of their phone and how it compared to the iPhone. On almost every single slide is some sort of instruction from management to engineering to "make it more like iPhone". Over and over and over again, from hardware design to software features, to UI, and even down to the little things like color tint and icon orientation..."More like iPhone".
  2. The internal Samsung memo that kicked off the whole effort to change their smartphones is replete with language about how they needed to stop what they are doing and copy Apple.
  3. The memo from Google to Samsung where Google warned Samsung that the designs they were seeing from Samsung were way too similar to the iPhone. So even Google, Samsung's partner and Apple's competitor, felt that Samsung had gone too far in copying Apple.

My "favorite" story about Samsung:

One day in March 2011, cars carrying investigators from Korea’s anti-trust regulator pulled up outside a Samsung facility in Suwon, about 25 miles south of Seoul. They were there ready to raid the building, looking for evidence of possible collusion between the company and wireless operators to fix the prices of mobile phones.

Before the investigators could get inside, security guards approached and refused to let them through the door. A standoff ensued, and the investigators called the police, who finally got them inside after a 30-minute delay. Curious about what had been happening in the plant as they cooled their heels outside, the officials seized video from internal security cameras. What they saw was almost beyond belief.

Upon getting word that investigators were outside, employees at the plant began destroying documents and switching computers, replacing the ones that were being used—and might have damaging material on them—with others.

A year later, Korean newspapers reported that the government had fined Samsung for obstructing the investigation at the facility. At the time, a legal team representing Apple was in Seoul to take depositions in the Samsung case, and they read about the standoff. From what they heard, one of the Samsung employees there had even swallowed documents before the investigators were allowed in. That certainly didn’t bode well for Apple’s case; how, the Apple lawyers said half-jokingly among themselves, could they possibly compete in a legal forum with employees who were so loyal to the company that they were willing to eat incriminating evidence?​
Yawn....Apple had evidence suppressed to bolster the case here in the US, notice about the ONLY place they won is here in the US? Gee, what a coincidence.
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Fun living in your world? Just take one look at those two phones. It goes WAY beyond just shapes, but a complete replica of an entire device — form and functionality. Samsung needs to pay up, because they built up their mobile business on Apple's back, while Apple PAID them for their technology and services (chips, manufacturing, etc.).
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And you are here because.... you have a Mac, or are you "stuck with a poorly-designed iPhone"?
They built up their mobile business because of Apple, LOL, they were already IN the mobile business. Also, learn what REPLICA means, as for form, there is very FEW forms you can use for a PHONE...

As for the rest of your drivel...yawn.
 
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I grew up when able-bodied guys were required to serve in the military (the Draft). Spent a year at the Army Language School learning Korean and then served more than two years in Korea. So I think I know a little bit more than most about 'Samsung'. Just know they lie, cheat and hurt people just to make a buck ahead of the competition. Right now, the top executives are all facing arrest for bribing the now impeached President of South Korea.

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2017/01/116_222103.html

Be careful in your swooning and love of foreign companies. They might even rush to market with a phone that explodes in your pocket. Gee, they already did that, did they not.
 
Who compelled Apple to release a bigger phone? Samsung.
Timmy did his market research and determined apples customers wanted a bigger phone and then release it. Apple had record breaking earnings and went to most valuable company.


Who forced Apple to adopt OLED? Samsung who has pioneered the technology since..
Apple adopted OLED, where can I buy an OLED based apple phone? Wait, it's rumor, so is must be a fact.c:confused:

Who forced Apple to adopt a curved edge display in iPhone 8?
What curved display? Can you prove apple will actually release a curved display other than the rumor (fact) mill?

Who forced Apple to adopt wireless charging?
Guaranteed apples version of "wireless charging" will wipe the floor over Samsungs version

I ask anyone to prove to me how since 2011, how did Samsung copy Apple?
- long press instead of 3dt
- finger print reader upgrades

I'm sure there's more, but you get the point.
 
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Timmy did his market research and determined apples customers wanted a bigger phone and then release it. Apple had record breaking earnings and went to most valuable company.
Yes thats my point. Why did Apple customers want a bigger phone? I will tell you why.Thanks to Samsung the entirety of Android was already using massive screens.The pressure was building on Apple to build a larger phone just like how its building now for OLED.If it wasnt for Samsung pioneering the large screen revolution we would have continued staying on small screens.


Apple adopted OLED, where can I buy an OLED based apple phone?
They already adopted OLED on AW some time after Samsung did on their smartwatch.But you guys can deny it all you want . Everyone knows the iPhone 8 is gonna be OLED . Kuo is never wrong


Guaranteed apples version of "wireless charging" will wipe the floor over Samsungs version
By the time Apple is implementing wireless charging and curved edge displays,Samsung is already on foldable displays

https://www.cnet.com/news/samsung-seen-unveiling-foldable-phone-in-third-quarter/


- long press instead of 3dt
- finger print reader upgrades

The Note series uses S Pen hover.Not long press.Fingerprint reader is ripped off from Motorola Atrix.

In any case the S8 is gonna get an optical fingerprint sensor before iPhone does
 
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Anyone talking about rounded corners does not understand the comprehensive evidence in this case.

The design patents found to be infringed were about flat faces, rounded rectangles and icon grids, not anything else people bring up.

As to intent, the judge found that infringement was not legally willful, as an external observer would've thought the patents were invalid. Indeed, many wondered how Apple got most of them, and some were later invalidated. Remember, just because something was new to you, or got a patent, does not guarantee that it was actually novel.

Samsung didn't directly copy anything, anyway. That would've been easy. They took the harder route of designing as close as possible while trying not to directly copy. But they got too close after all, in the eyes of a lay jury.

So they still owe damages, and how to determine the amount is all that this ruling is about.

Oh, and lest you not believe me, here is that 2010 Apple patent, showing not only the EXACT representation that became the "revolutionary" Surface Studio (6 YEARS before its debut), but also what looks suspiciously-like a representation of a "tile-based" UI, JUST like what MS later unveiled as "Metro". Hmmm. Hadn't noticed THAT before...

http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2010/08/the-mother-lode-welcome-to-the-imac-touch.html

That patent has nothing to do with what you think. It's not about anything as boring as flipping the screen down. That's not new. Nor is it about a tiled UI.

The patent is for changing UI elements from a small mouse friendly size while vertical, to a larger finger friendly size when lowered.

The size transition is what the different sized tiles are depicting.
 
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Yes thats my point. Why did Apple customers want a bigger phone? I will tell you why.Thanks to Samsung the entirety of Android was already using massive screens.The pressure was building on Apple to build a larger phone just like how its building now for OLED.If it wasnt for Samsung pioneering the large screen revolution we would have continued staying on small screens.
So apple customers wanted a bigger screen because Samsung had one? Not because phone screens were getting bigger in general and jobs held apple back from producing one? Some sound logic there.

They already adopted OLED on AW some time after Samsung did on their smartwatch.But you guys can deny it all you want . Everyone knows the iPhone 8 is gonna be OLED . Kuo is never wrong.
OLED on AW is a perfect application, with burn-in and color shifting, not so much on a smart phone.

the time Apple is implementing wireless charging and curved edge displays,Samsung is already on foldable displays
Maybe Samsung mobile division will turn a profit at some point. They need all of the help they can get after the Note 7 fiasco.

The Note series uses S Pen hover.Not long press.Fingerprint reader is ripped off from Motorola Atrix.
Finger print reader was available before use on smartphones; which doesn't make it an innovation. What makes it innovate is the way apple has integrated it into their ecosystem.
 
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