You can’t actually validate anything you posted either. And as said previously you have to try to make a case for something that occurred nearly 20 years ago. Called grasping at straws.
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Apple Warns of Privacy Risks in EU's DMA Interoperability Requirements
- Thread starter MacRumors
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
They made the mistake of not simply banning tracking cookies altogether instead.
And why it should be good in China and not in EU?
Maybe because in China everything is secret, whilst in EU it isn't?
China is secret and defined, whilst the EU is open and disorganized.
Which part would you like me to validate? Apple takes Googles money for search, this is in the public domain and they have defended it in court.
And the DMA was most likely due to kickbacks to the EU form corporations who want in on Apples users and data. The users are not blushing this greedy businesses are.
Why doesn’t the EU force stuff in both directions? Apple opens up App Store, but the companies taking advantage of it aren’t required to also post app in apple’s App Store. If a consumer wants to stay in App Store for everything they are screwed. Home app should also have larger companies forced to support it if they go outside App Store and push their own stuff. Same with EA and Spotify and so on. That’s if it’s really the consumer that motivates this which I don’t think is the case for most of these forced changes. If they still have to charge more on apple’s store than the consumer will be making the choice to stay or leave or mix it up.
It also amazes me that the EU is effectively taking away a true choice in phone systems between one that makes money selling your info and one who takes money directly from the customer and one that is open and one that is closed by making Apple more like google. Last I read google was the dominant phone in the EU (especially after Britain left), but apple’s way of generating revenue is being forced to open to all its competitors what Apple built.
iPadOS does not meet the quantitative metrics listed in the DMA to be considered a gatekeeper. However, Vestager and her cronies declared the law applies anyway. Here's a quote from Vestager herself (emphasis mine).
Absolutely banana republic level stuff. "We wrote thresholds into the law, but we want it to apply to your product. Wait - the product doesn't meet the thresholds we wrote? Sorry - it applies anyway."
They do when they decide to buy an android phone or an iPhone. Nothing is stopping an apple user today from directly sharing their text messages, their personal data, their hidden photos, locations, and so on with Meta/facebook. Instead of Meta being able to use a back door to get whatever they want the consumer just has to upload all the data they want to share. So maybe Apple should just be forced to make an easier way to convert text messaging with others into a pdf and any other private data to make it easier for user to hand meta the data themselves if they choose.
Call it as I see it. The eu will push you off a cliff, china will punch you in the face. I assume you don’t want to see it coming?
So, you mean they are ALL incompetent? I was willing to believe one clueless person was leading the charge, but if they are ALL like this, it’s no wonder why the EU has no large tech companies and are wholly dependent on the willingness to of American companies to provide solutions for them.
And, as American companies are good at being profitable tech companies, they’ll figure out ways to continue to profit from the EU for as long as their hardware and software is allowed in the EU (to Vestager’s chagrin and, again, since they are wholly dependent on the US and other countries to provide them the technology required for them to exist in a technical world, that’s something they’d never do).The iPad did not and does not meet the quantitative thresholds for “gatekeepers”. And, the DMA has NOT been updated to change the quantitative thresholds. SO, the iPad being a “gatekeeper” is in conflict with the quantitative thresholds that were successfully applied against 100% of the other “gatekeepers”.
Many sites don't give you the option to choose ´No´ at once. You have to go to the settings and chose from there. Which makes users to ignore and just click yes.
Which is Europe’s most corrupt country?
Transparency International has released its latest report about anti-corruption efforts in Western Europe and the EU.
www.euronews.com
When there are no proper controls on EU contributions, corruption do increase. A private person or a firm can’t get funding from EU directly. If shell companies are getting funded by EU, the link on the administration is corrupted. It’s a big business in eastern and southern Europe.
No, they’re not and none of the companies had to be forced to use USB-C. They all helped in creating USB-C to ensure there was no resistance. The EU created a document.
Well, yeah, that’s only for people that don’t understand that 2 does not equal 10. (“modern connector for the next decade” means ten years. And it was precisely that. Almost to the day.)
It’s okay. The EU knows best for everyone! EU can do no wrong! 🙄
No wonder Ericsson went under. No wonder Nokia is barely a blip on the radar. EU can’t even keep their lights on without depending on others, let alone their own communications structures needing to depend on Apple, huawei, and other foreign brands to keep their communications afloat. Companies should just pull out of the EU and leave them in the communications Stone Age since nothing is ever good enough for the EU.
No wonder Ericsson went under. No wonder Nokia is barely a blip on the radar. EU can’t even keep their lights on without depending on others, let alone their own communications structures needing to depend on Apple, huawei, and other foreign brands to keep their communications afloat. Companies should just pull out of the EU and leave them in the communications Stone Age since nothing is ever good enough for the EU.
Last edited:
I hope they can navigate the DMA well. I like the idea of the DMA and want much of what it requires to be done. But at the same time I think much of what Apple states are valid concerns. Some study by the right people can find a path that gets much of the good with none of the bad.
Well yes, open, free, democratic are all a bit chaotic at times as all sides get to put in their two cents. Of course we really don't know if China is well defined what with not being able to know what exactly is going on.
Steve Troughton-Smith (@stroughtonsmith@mastodon.social)
Attached: 4 images The European Commission is going through Apple’s OSes feature by feature, with the help of interested parties and industry collaboration, and deciding where the API lines should be drawn. It’s absolutely fascinating. And remember, Apple brought all of this on itself through...
mastodon.social
I am starting to echo John Gruber's thoughts here.
@stroughtonsmith@mastodon.social My takeaway is that this is a list of features that, if this proposal is enacted as written (which I believe to be a huge "if”, given the regime changes on both sides of the pond) will no longer be available to EU users at the end of 2025.
John Gruber (@gruber@mastodon.social)
@stroughtonsmith My takeaway is that this is a list of features that, if this proposal is enacted as written (which I believe to be a huge "if”, given the regime changes on both sides of the pond) will no longer be available to EU users at the end of 2025.mastodon.social
If it's too much of a hassle (and it seems like the EU is only getting started here), then rather than bend over backward to make each feature openly accessible, it may simply be easier to do an "iPhone mirroring" and just make all of them unavailable in the EU.
Steve Troughton-Smith (@stroughtonsmith@mastodon.social)
Attached: 4 images The European Commission is going through Apple’s OSes feature by feature, with the help of interested parties and industry collaboration, and deciding where the API lines should be drawn. It’s absolutely fascinating. And remember, Apple brought all of this on itself through...
I am starting to echo John Gruber's thoughts here.
If it's too much of a hassle (and it seems like the EU is only getting started here), then rather than bend over backward to make each feature openly accessible, it may simply be easier to do an "iPhone mirroring" and just make all of them unavailable in the EU.
That list is absolutely insane and I can’t believe anyone thinks it’s a good idea for the EU to be getting into that level of detail.
Read the article you linked: the title is just clickbait. Apple DIDNT sell users to Google. They just made Google as the default search engine, which is not true anymore (you can chose whatever you want, I opted for Bing).
When I buy an Apple product, I buy a closed platform that is secure. Developers are aware of what they can and can't do and develop accordingly. When I buy a product based on the android platform, I buy an open platform where application developers can do pretty much what they want and each developer is responsible for the data they manage.
A good example of this is ad blocking. Apple won't let uBlock Origin run in Safari because it needs to intercept and parse every web page visited; and Apple won't permit that. Google Chrome supports uBlock Origin but because it does too good a job at blocking ads, Google's bread and butter, Google have redeveloped the browser to support only Manifest v3, which restricts the access uBlock Origin needs. So - an open platform sounds great until it doesn't suit the needs of the platform and get's blocked. It's all about how companies can monetise you.
A good example of this is ad blocking. Apple won't let uBlock Origin run in Safari because it needs to intercept and parse every web page visited; and Apple won't permit that. Google Chrome supports uBlock Origin but because it does too good a job at blocking ads, Google's bread and butter, Google have redeveloped the browser to support only Manifest v3, which restricts the access uBlock Origin needs. So - an open platform sounds great until it doesn't suit the needs of the platform and get's blocked. It's all about how companies can monetise you.
